[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Why wouldn't Jews get to heaven? They are still doing exactly what the three apostles taught them. You were taught only by a book that has changed a lot over time. -I'm sure you know the Bible has changed over the years and I bet you have one of the newest versions, do you? The old ones are harder to understand because the language was so different but you can see a difference. There also is a difference between different languages and the translations. But then again I don't think too many Americans know how to read Hebrew.

How can you actually say you believe in God at all? You're just looking for reasons to discount the Bible and make up your own God. This just won't do.

God is not some plastic thing to be moulded one way then another by wilful people bent on living according to their own wishes! Or why even have a God at all if He is actually your inner desires personified?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

There is are places in Finland where Sami people talk their own language, study on their own language, go to store using their own language and live among their own kind. We have never forced them to "integrate". They did it on their own. I'm sorry but we did not brutally kill them like you brutally killed native Americans. And I still can not understand how can you think that you are better than Finnish if you had to kill to live there? There are no native Americans who do not speak English in the USA anymore...-Just saying... You MADE them integrate into your style of living.
In Finland Sami people at least can have as much of their own space as they want. Finland is not a crowded country like USA is... Americans forced Native Americans live in the worst places and small spaces. They did not give them a change to keep some of the better forests and so on because they wanted them themselves.

So compared to their previous lands, how large is the area they live in now? Let's see Sami view on this matter.

Saamelaisten kohtalo on ollut alkuperäiskansojen yleismaailmallinen kohtalo. Siinä yhdistyvät kehitysusko, kolonialismi ja yhdenmukaisen “kansan” nimiin vannova nationalismi. Tämä on johtanut alkuperäiskansojen sortoon, koska alkuperäiskansoihin kuuluvat ihmiset ovat kansallisesta ihanteesta poikkeavia. Saamelaisetkin piti “suomalaistaa” lapsesta alkaen koska he eivät vastanneet yleisesti hyväksyttyä kuvaa suomalaisesta.
Saamelaisten omaehtoinen tokkaporopaimennus lakkautettiin aikanaan suomalaisten toimesta. Kieli- ja kulttuuriverkostot repeytyivät ja tuhoutuivat. Selviytyneet saamelaiset koottiin tekoaltaiden rakentamisen jälkeen pääasiassa tiettyihin kyliin – hieman kuten Pohjois-Amerikan alkuperäiskansat reservaatteihin. Jotkut tutkijat ovat käyttäneet saamelaisten kohtelusta jopa termiä kulttuurinen kansanmurha. Se ajoi monet saamelaiset alkoholismiin ja itsemurhiin.
Alkuperäiskansojen sorto on luonteeltaan myös uskonnollista. Kristinusko on ollut tässä mukana sen vihamielisimmässä ja vähiten hyväksyttävässä muodossa. Saamenmaasta noitarummut onnistuttiin tuhoamaan vuosisatojen aikana lähes täydellisesti. On häpeällinen tosiasia, että saamelaiskulttuuria esitteleviin näyttelyihin pitää lainata noitarumpuja naapurimaasta, koska meillä saamelaisten pyhät esineet tuhottiin niin perusteellisesti.


http://www.taivaannaula.org/2012/01/...-mielipiteita/

Would mind translating that for us so we could see ourselves how happy they were freely integrating themselves to Finnish culture?

On that jew issue, again, even your own bible says that they will go to hell for not believing.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Actually if you had read it close enough you would know Native Americans only moved because Europeans who moved there had guns -they didn't. They had no other choice. And alcohol came from Europe to America with Europeans. Native American didn't know anything about it before you came.

Wrong.

Indians moved because they didn't like the alternative - civilized life.

Why wouldn't Jews get to heaven?

He that believeth on him [that means Jesus, friend] is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18

It's not rocket science.

No belief = eternity of hell as is justified for having been born a filthy sinner, rebellious and depraved in character

belief = being saved from this fate

They are still doing exactly what the three apostles taught them.

No, the Apostles taught them Jesus is LORD.

You were taught only by a book that has changed a lot over time.

Wrong, again.

We were taught by the Holy Spirit Himself through the Divine Word of God, the King James Version of the Bible, printed 1611.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

On that jew issue, again, even your own bible says that they will go to hell for not believing.

Yes but she has a special way of not-really-reading-it that means that what God actually meant matches her opinion.

[Just A Girl]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Alban I thought you were against witchcraft? The first thing I saw on that blog was an ancient spell poem. That is just the first thing that says that that site is not reliable. But yea... Sure sami culture has disappeared a bit -just like Native Americans culture has. But the site still did not say anything that would make what Finnish have done any more bad than what you have done to Native Americans. It says pretty much the same things... Finnish made some sami people drink alcohol just like Americans brought alcohol to Native American. The article also says that Christian Finnish people did not like Sami witchcraft and witchdrums. They thought Sami people were mean witches who used spells and magic.

Oh and Papist I believe Jews go to heaven, I also believe most Christians go to heaven. I do not see why wouldn't they. You are the ones saying no one put people who belong to your church goes to heaven. That just makes no sense when Jews were the ones taught by Jesus.

[Just A Girl]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

I do not believe everything I read that is written by only people because I KNOW believe make mistakes.

Oh and Indians... What about the policy of Indian removal? What part of it says that Indians could move away because they wanted to?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Oh and Papist I believe Jews go to heaven, I also believe most Christians go to heaven. I do not see why wouldn't they. You are the ones saying no one put people who belong to your church goes to heaven. That just makes no sense when Jews were the ones taught by Jesus.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Read it. What does it mean? Don't make up something else. READ IT.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

I do not believe everything I read that is written by only people because I KNOW believe make mistakes.

Goodness, how can you trust anything you think?

Oh and Indians... What about the policy of Indian removal? What part of it says that Indians could move away because they wanted to?

They. Could. Stay. If. They. Wanted. To. Live. Like. Civilized. HUMANS.

[Just A Girl]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Sorry I was suppose to say "I know people make mistakes"
God doesn't but people do. Jesus was not the one who said Jews will burn in hell so I do not believe so either. I believe they can go to heaven just like Christians can.

Anyways we are always going to disagree from everything and I hate feeling angry over some stupid website sooooo better just go. I will read Bible and always belong to Lutheran church. I still will never think like you guys do.

[Just A Girl]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Why. Should. They. Live. Like. You. ?!? Do you think you would want to live like someone who stole your land from you and raped your wife or killed your grandparents? I do not think so. You stole something from them and you still think they should be like you? Yea sure....

[Noah Sole]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Why. Should. They. Live. Like. You. ?!? Do you think you would want to live like someone who stole your land from you and raped your wife or killed your grandparents? I do not think so. You stole something from them and you still think they should be like you? Yea sure....

Wasn't it your friend Darwin who coined the phrase 'survival of the fittest'.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

Why. Should. They. Live. Like. You. ?!?

They DON'T have to live like me. That's why they have a CHOICE.

What's the Finnish word for "duh"?

Do you think you would want to live like someone who stole your land from you and raped your wife or killed your grandparents? I do not think so. You stole something from them and you still think they should be like you? Yea sure....

If I was raised to be a barbarian and run around naked and eat horse and dog, I would be grateful for the Gospel of the LORD, to know right from wrong, to have the Holy Spirit in my very soul. I would Praise God for ever and ever! Hallelujah!

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

But yea... Sure sami culture has disappeared a bit -just like Native Americans culture has. But the site still did not say anything that would make what Finnish have done any more bad than what you have done to Native Americans.

Are you really that stupid, or are you just living in denial. Learn a bit about history of your country first, before pointing fingers at others. You will find that that Sami people did not ask to be killed and robbed of their lands. As I asked before, what was the year that Finland recognized them as their own people and what year it was when Finland recognized right for their own culture and language. Go ahead, dig it up.

I believe Jews go to heaven

Wrong. Your lutheran church teach as well that jews does not go to heaven. You don't have to believe me, let's look at the official Finnish version of lutheran bible.

Markus 16:16 Joka sen uskoo ja saa kasteen, on pelastuva. Joka ei usko, se tuomitaan kadotukseen.

Jews does not believe that Jesus is a Saviour. Jews are not baptized. So tell me now, what does your bible says that will happen to those kind of people.

If you believe that jews will go to heaven, you are not even lutheran.

[Just A Girl]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

And it makes me so sad to see that you write like those who do not believe in the same stuff as you do should straight up just die... I can not understand how can anyone be so cruel.. but yea I know Bible says they go to hell and so on..

And yes I know Lutheran churches teach that but if you had read my earlier comments you would have known that I do not agree with everything Lutheran church teaching.

[Just A Girl]

Re: The Moomins – One step away from being Satan's concubine

What was the year when Native Americans became humans and not slaves? Or what about blacks? At least we have never slaved other human beings.
Oh and with the sami and Native Americans I was just trying to make a point that Americans are not any better people than Finnish are so I do not see the point in making Finland the pocket of Satan when USA is just as bad... Actually the whole world is. If you just dig hard enough you will find stuff about every nation that is brutal or unhuman. So I do not see what is your deal against Finland.