[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children

they did it because i did something wrong, and i didn't feel fear or Obedience i felt anger, and i acted out because of it

Then you are an evil person (see Deuteronomy 21:18-21 to see why). Please don't have children.

[Missynine]

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Then you are an evil person (see Deuteronomy 21:18-21 to see why). Please don't have children.

Funny, I was going to say the same to you guys
literally anyone that agrees with those methods should not have children

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Funny, I was going to say the same to you guys
literally anyone that agrees with those methods should not have children

So much for the "tolerance" you people preach on and on about.

[Missynine]

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So much for the "tolerance" you people preach on and on about.

I am pretty tolerant but this is borderline if not just Domestic Violence that is being talked about
and i am More Tolerant than you

[Des]

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Knowledge of what is right and wrong is all you need, if my child would have bullied others i would have told it it was wrong to do so and how bad they'd feel i'd Talk to my child Instead of Bullying my child to be good, but let me ask you one question
Do you really need the promise of heaven and the Threat of Eternal Hellfire For you to be a good person?

I remember one time my boy Bedford kept taking away his brother Stonewall's Chick Tracts and juice boxes. The missus took it upon herself to intervene. She knelt down in front of Bedford and in that soft, hesitant voice of hers asked him how he would feel if someone took his things away. I could see from across the room what was coming. Bedford leaned his head back, then headbutted his mom right in the nose. I was laughing so hard that I could barely swing the razor strap when I spanked him for it.

Point being, people are amoral creatures, and children doubly so. The only source of morality we have comes from God Almighty, and He in His Infinite Wisdom saw fit to hand down guidelines for enforcing a sense of morality. As True Christians™, we follow those guidelines, thus ensuring that our children are not twerking, shooting the weed, and getting pregnant with interracial babies at age 12.

[Voice of Papist Hate]

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You're confused, dear. We're not interested in anyone's thoughts outside the those of the Holy LORD of Lords!

So if you are going into heaven, then you must love everyone, sell literally everything you own, hate everyone, eat flesh and blood (cannibalism), be a little child, be born again as an infant, follow 613 Old Testament laws, and believe in Jesus. Screw you, guy.

[Cranky Old Man]

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So if you are going into heaven, then you must love everyone, sell literally everything you own, hate everyone, eat flesh and blood (cannibalism), be a little child, be born again as an infant, follow 613 Old Testament laws, and believe in Jesus. Screw you, guy.

Of course not. Just following 613 laws isn't even close to what you have to do to please God. Don't be lazy!

James 2:10 - King James Version (KJV)

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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So if you are going into heaven, then you must love everyone, sell literally everything you own, hate everyone, eat flesh and blood (cannibalism), be a little child, be born again as an infant, follow 613 Old Testament laws, and believe in Jesus. Screw you, guy.

In case you haven't figured it out by now, dear friend, we are not part of the Catholic cannibal/vampire cult.

[Calvinist]

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Well they didn't discipline me for "god" no they did it because i did something wrong, and i didn't feel fear or Obedience i felt anger, and i acted out because of it

Interesting, so your parents acknowledge that there is right and wrong, but according to who? Are you an unbeliever, ones whose thoughts are nothing more than than atomic motion in the brain obeying the fixed laws of chemistry? Just curious as to whether you reject an absolute moral law giver? If not, how do you reconcile human responsibility when you're acting out of control?

Yes I have, i even was one myself if you believe it or not and i got bullied and i did some bad things,i got very strictly punished for those things, i hated my parents for it, i don't want my child to hate me

Doesn't sound as though you're understanding the difference between love and hate. Doesn't matter whether you believe in an absolute law giver, just because you personally don't believe it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. See my question regarding "free thinkers" and the "byproduct" of fixed laws.

In regards to your children hating you, you're almost guaranteeing they will if they turn to Christ, so by the sounds of it you have committed yourself to bringing up your children as an infidel? Are you putting them in a place and attempting to wire them according to your own lifestyle, seems to me that your ways are going to sincerely hinder your children.

I am pretty tolerant but this is borderline if not just Domestic Violence that is being talked about and i am More Tolerant than you

The question is tolerant of what? I am highly prejudiced for example because I believe in law. And I exercise tolerance whenever I walk out in the garden and pluck a weed from the soil. Question is, is my intolerance more of a virtue than your own personal tolerance?

[MitzaLizalor]

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I know the papacy is built upon lies and deception—it has that in common with all false religions—but I never realised how far the rot extended. One would imagine that something like John chapter 3 would at least get a mention? Obviously not.

So if you are going into heaven, then you must love everyone, sell literally everything you own, hate everyone, eat flesh and blood (cannibalism), be a little child, be born again as an infant, follow 613 Old Testament laws, and believe in Jesus. etc.

JOHN 3
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
KJV .. vv 4, 5 . context . more context

Do they even have Sunday Schools?


There is a little more material included under the "more context" link for any Romish heretic who may be seeking footsteps out from that cloying mire, and what a mire it is. For cardinals to so mislead their flock of smelly goats as to guarantee everlasting torture for all who have grown within and accepted the pagan rituals they perpetuate—and these wretches must know what they are doing because it is their life's work to study those origins—is the most odious of crimes. Not so much for peddling lies, after all there is no shortage of blithering charlatans abroad in these last days and one more cadre of drivel dribblers makes little difference in the scheme of things.


But for the degree of their duplicity.


Opulence of a magnitude beyond comprehension wrested under duress from those least able to afford it, prancing around in scarlet robes, muttering with gem encrusted everything, ogling decrepit cadavers in gilded crates (although why anyone would want to do that is beyond me but they do and it doesn't sound cheap), yet cementing the fate they claim to have cheated on behalf of fools they have so reduced.


I knew they discouraged reading The Bible. After all, it's not really their source material is it. How can it be?


And sure enough, it isn't.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Originally Posted by Jemima
"Yes you need to torture your children before the great green candle monster gets them"

Well obviously Jemima had been reading Alfred Jarry, not a recommended source for any Christian. And a good example of where your children can end up if the discipline explicitly spelled out BY GOD in The Bible is neglected. Discipline involving injury. God explains:

Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

God is clear that the wound, and its having turned blue, are the result of discipline. God uses the word chastening. Merely using the hand is not sufficient to cause such a benefit and because God loves us He makes sure that we understand.

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

What age group is God talking about here?

Proverbs 23:13-15 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
KJV .. context . cf. Hebrews 12

Nothing about green candles. That comes from Jarry, depraved Frenchman.


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The green candle makes numerous appearances and is even described in a later play. Brimstone is involved. But what of Jarry? An irredeemable alcoholic messed up on chloroform and ether he died young, hating Jesus but choosing to mock Him nevertheless by calling a priest for last rites.

It says here “although he hated christianity, he felt compelled to seek God on his deathbed. A nihilist, he declared: "We won't have destroyed anything unless we destroy the ruins too"…Jarry had taste for absinthe, he lived in a bizarre apartment where each store had been cut horizontally in half to make double the original number of floors…In 1926 [André] Gide wrote: "Everything in Jarry, that strange humbug, smelled of affectation – his face whited with flour, his mechanical speech without intonation, the syllables evenly spaced, and the words made up or distorted."” so obviously demon possessed.

And on opium. This is the origin of the green candle. It is the very antithesis of disctpline.

God knew that and in His love had Jesus whipped for me, although I didn't deserve that gift, whipped raw. Otherwise there could be no remission of sins. It is the injury that is important. That is what grievous means. BLACK'S

Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
I PETER 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
KJV .. Isaiah 53 .. I Peter 2

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The information concerning injuries required for discipline to be effective in The New Testament all post-date Jesus' suffering, inflicted on Him by a loving Father because He loves us too. People who flaunt their hatred for Jesus by declaring His Clear Commandment on this subject to constitute torture—people like Alfred Jarry or the Jemima—have nothing in common woth The Bible. If they say they do, they are lying (or haven't read The Bible).

I hope that is helpful.

[searching_for_truth]

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You people disgust me. 1 John 4:18 "there is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out fear." Torture? Humiliation? People like you are the fucking reason why people hate "fundies". You are disgusting, the lot of you. Whipping babies????? You are sick and twisted. I hope to god you find the ACTUAL truth before you die, or you shall be the goats to whom Jesus says "depart from me, I never knew you."

[Zechariah Smyth]

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You people disgust me. 1 John 4:18 "there is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out fear." Torture? Humiliation? People like you are the piffleing reason why people hate "fundies". You are disgusting, the lot of you. Whipping babies????? You are sick and twisted. I hope to god you find the ACTUAL truth before you die, or you shall be the goats to whom Jesus says "depart from me, I never knew you."

Post the rest of the verse and you'll see it's their own fault.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

P.S. Watch the potty language, please.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Pastor Bathfire's exposition on the Sermon on the Mount guides me not to engage with this willfully vexatious person, but to respond simply:

“Yeah, whatever, you believe that, you’ve sure convinced me, boy.”

Matthew 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Not that I expect to go to prison for disagreeing with this one.

[Basilissa]

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You people disgust me. 1 John 4:18 "there is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out fear." Torture? Humiliation? People like you are the piffleing reason why people hate "fundies". You are disgusting, the lot of you. Whipping babies????? You are sick and twisted. I hope to god you find the ACTUAL truth before you die, or you shall be the goats to whom Jesus says "depart from me, I never knew you."

Would you be so kind to provide Scripture to show that children should not be beaten?