Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

[salammeyjoe]

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate. To start, I have a few questions...

1. Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

[SayvedByTheLord]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

The only flaming will be you roasting in hellfire !

You obviously did not read this before spewing your hatred on our Godly Forum™

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate. To start, I have a few questions...

1. Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate. To start, I have a few questions...

1. Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

1. Read the Bible. God commands us to kill sodomites, witches, adulterers, those who follow other religions, those who try to entice US to follow other religions, those who work on the Sabbath, disobedient children, those who (post-Noah) commit incest, and many others. Since Jesus is God, Jesus therefore taught us these things.

These people will be cast into eternal torment following their demise.

2. Look around you. See a universe? It came from somewhere. Everything has a cause; it didn't create itself, did it?

We are not here to try to "prove" through "science" that God created the universe. Faith can only survive in the absence of evidence; were we to provide concrete "scienticious proof" from "scienticians", you'd need no faith.

3. This is not a debate forum. You'd know that if you read the Welcome Thread. Since you're obviously too lazy to follow the link, I'll quote the relevant portion:

This is not a debate forum. The purpose of this site is to praise and glorify the Lord, Jesus Christ. It is a place for Christians to fellowship and worship. The goal of the Landover Baptist Church forum is to draw people to Jesus Christ because Scripture confirms that salvation comes only through Him.

Luke 6:22 tells us that because we preach the True doctrine of Jesus, men shall hate us and call us evil. So naturally, we expect that folks will get their feathers ruffled by some of the things they have to say, and they will come on here to argue with us. Perhaps we have said something that upset you. Maybe it was something I said. If so, then I am sorry that you are upset, but I do not apologize for what I have said. My words and thoughts come from the Holy Scriptures. I didn't write the Bible -- God did. So if my words upset you, then you don't have a problem with me -- you have a problem with God.

We tend to get two types of dissenters here. Some are calm and reasonable folks who are capable of rational discussion. I personally enjoy discussing religious topics with this sort of person. Others, however, are angry trolls who are just here to flame us. If you are here to flame us, please read this first.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate.

You're obviously some kind of homo trying to keep us from pointing out that your sin is evil. Do you want honesty or civility? You can't have both because, around here, we don't smile at sinners.

Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

Here's what Jesus had to say about his mission on Earth:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Jesus did not specifically mention homosexuality, but he was very clear in Mark 7 (and Matthew 15) that fornication is evil:

And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Mark 7:20-23

In what way is homosexual behavior not fornication? Therefore it is evil. The Apostle Paul was quite specific on this point:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind 1 Corinthians 6:9

So the New Testament, as well as the Old, very clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. Now, how are we to deal with a sinner? Here's what the Bible tells us:

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:2

Does this mean we should not forgive? Of course not! We forgive, but only if the sinner repents, as Jesus instructed:

Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Luke 17:3

I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

There is an entire forum devoted to Creation Science. Read it. You might also find the books referenced in the study guides on the Answers in Genesis website helpful. AIG is a bit liberal in its interpretations for my taste, but they are both smart and saved, and their ministry is dedicated toward the salvation of unsaved trash such as yourself.

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

No doubt.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

Besides what the others have said, I just want to chime in with my $2 worth... If you can't use the answer key to grade the test, then what good is the test?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate. To start, I have a few questions...

1. Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

First off, to answer your question. No, I do not want to have a debate with you.

Have you ever read the Bible Salami Joe?

Seriously. We get sooo many people like you, waltzing in where your not welcome, with ZERO knowledge of God's word, who think they can turn us all into Atheists by saying: "Evolution is true because blah, blah, blah!" or some such nonsense.

As has been stated already, this is not a debate forum. If you want to discuss our beliefs with us, pick up a Bible, a King James 1611 Version, read it, come back here and we'll talk.

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

He is being quiet now.

I think you all beat him into submission.

PRAISE!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

He is being quiet now.

I think you all beat him into submission.

PRAISE!

Either that or computer club is finished for the day in his junior high school.

[Mr. Johnson]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

What is there to debate? If you question the word of God then you should take it up with Him. I'm sure He wll show you the error of your ways. Most likely it will probably be as you burn in hell. Bring marshmallows!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

Maybe Swampy Joe would get a better response if he said he wanted to ask us questions and gain insight into God's Word.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate. To start, I have a few questions...

Friend, We are here to help hell bound sinning scum like you. There is no room for hate here at Landover so ask away.

1. Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

Have you actually read the Bible? Please show me a quote were Jesus advocates tolerance of sinful behavior. Jesus teaches us to forgive sinners, like homosexuals, when they repent of their sins but nothing about enabling their horrific, socially destructive lifestyle.

2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

Young Earth Creationism is quite a robust and well developed science. The physical evidence is quite complex and would be inapposite to discuss here in a single paragraph. I think the fact that you haven’t considered the evidence of a Young Earth shows your’ own closed minded bias.

[s@ul77]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

No name calling, no flaming, I want to have a honest debate. To start, I have a few questions...

1. Jesus preached and taught tolerence and forgiveness...please, tell me how persecuting and killing gays and other religions is what Jesus taught.

2. I would love some one to actually find some way to prove creationism, beyond just saying 'the bible said so'.

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

Jesus did teach tolerance and forgiveness, but it also means that you must ask for forgiveness and you should also have self-control, Jesus does not tell Christians to kill, in fact you are not allowed to kill, no matter the reason. You must want to bring God into you`re life and allow Him to change you from the inside out, it is not an easy journey which is full of many pit-falls.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

Jesus did teach tolerance and forgiveness, [...]

Up to a point and only if you are willing to accept Him. After that, the outlook is grim...

Don't get carried away with the fluffy-bunny bit, Jesus was very specific about what will happen to the godless - see Revelation - it ain't pleasant.

[s@ul77]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

Up to a point and only if you are willing to accept Him. After that, the outlook is grim...

Don't get carried away with the fluffy-bunny bit, Jesus was very specific about what will happen to the godless - see Revelation - it ain't pleasant.

I agree, you will only be forgiven so many times and Revelations is not pretty.

[JennyD]

Re: Anyone care to have a honest debate...?

Jesus did teach tolerance and forgiveness, but it also means that you must ask for forgiveness and you should also have self-control, Jesus does not tell Christians to kill, in fact you are not allowed to kill, no matter the reason. You must want to bring God into you`re life and allow Him to change you from the inside out, it is not an easy journey which is full of many pit-falls.

Excuse me, what Bible are you reading? The NIV?

Jesus is God.

He commands us to kill witches, those who worship false or other gods, sodomites, unruly children, adulterers, and many others.

Again, what Bible are you reading?