Why so literally?

**Pastor Al E Pistle** · 01-28-2007, 06:26 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

I'm sorry if i post this in the wrong section, i couldnt find anywhere else to put it. You can move it to whatever board will fit better with it.

But, i've been thinking about extremist religion for a while. and it makes me think, why take it all so literally? Especially when the exact details dont matter?

The exact details dont matter. they dont. God is not the hideous monster you hope he is. In Matthew 22:36-40, it says(from the New International Version, not king james);

36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

So dont you see? The exact details dont matter. I dont realize why you waste so much time and energy fighting about whether or not gay people can marry, and other such little details like that. It just doesnt matter. The one thing that does matter is, the Lord loves you. and that should be all.

Before you ban me, please just try to think about that.

and also, because i know you're going to ask, i dont do drugs, im not gay, im not high, and i havent been drinking.

Good Heavens, we aren't going to ban you but I do recommend that you toss that NIV as it perverts The Word of God. We don't believe that GOD is a 'hideous monster', child. Not at all. We see God as a loving father. The thing is that the exact details DO matter. You had better read God's Holy Word for yourself:

Matthew
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46 Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
If you're ashamed of Jesus, he'll be ashamed of you. (And you'll go straight to hell.) 8:38
Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16 Luke
God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
Jesus also believes the story about Noah's flood and Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 John
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66 Acts
Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-6
The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22
The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam.12:31 and 1 Chr.20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11 Romans
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12 1 Corinthians
If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10 Ephesians
We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6 Colossians
God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20 1 Thessalonians
God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10 2 Thessalonians
Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12 Hebrews
God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20 James
If you are merciless to others, God will be merciless to you. (Two wrongs make a right.) 2:13
James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Rom.4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21 1 Peter
We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2
"The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
God drowned drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20 2 Peter
God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10 1 John
Jesus' blood washes away human sin. 1:7 Jude
"The Lord destroyed them that believed not. 5 Revelation
Jesus "washed us ... with his own blood." 1:5
Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
Jesus has "the keys of hell and death." 1:18
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
"I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
"Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
God tells his murderous angels to "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads." This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God's loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to "hurt the earth and the sea" just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
"Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." 8:11
The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19
Anyone that messes with God's two olive trees and two candlesticks (God's witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6
After God's witnesses "have finished their testimony," they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
Their dead bodies lie unburied for three and a half days. People will "rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. "The third woe cometh quickly." 11:13-14
"The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
"The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles." 14:19-20
Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 15:7
The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1-21
God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
"They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful into holy war. 19:12-15
"Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21
God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10
Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8

**Virginia Day Templeton** · 01-28-2007, 06:38 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

The Bible says that we should follow every word written in it; by not doing so, you are directly disobeying God's command. How can you do that and still consider yourself a Christian?

Of course, the fact that you're quoting from a false Bible certainly doesn't help. The NIV might as well have been written by Aleister Crowley for all the Godly Truth it contains.

**Brother Temperance** · 01-28-2007, 06:41 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

and also, because i know you're going to ask, i dont do drugs, im not gay, im not high, and i havent been drinking.

So what is your excuse, then?
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

God says very clearly that the exact details matter a lot. If you offend in one point, you are guilty of everything.

**Mrs. Mary Whitford** · 01-28-2007, 06:53 PM

Re: Why so literally?

I can't top the good Pastor, but in case his post is too much for you to fathom, let me ask you a simple question... What parts of the Bible do you choose to take literally? If God's Word isn't literally true, then is God literally true? Jesus? Salvation from our sins?
If you believe in the one true God, the God of the Bible who temporarily sacrificed His only begotten Son, why would you only believe bits and pieces of what He said? The Bible isn't a salad bar, it's a full meal deal and God expects you to clean your plate.

**BornAgain** · 01-28-2007, 06:54 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

I'm sorry if i post this in the wrong section, i couldnt find anywhere else to put it. You can move it to whatever board will fit better with it.

But, i've been thinking about extremist religion for a while. and it makes me think, why take it all so literally? Especially when the exact details dont matter?

The exact details dont matter. they dont. God is not the hideous monster you hope he is. In Matthew 22:36-40, it says(from the New International Version, not king james);

36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

So dont you see? The exact details dont matter. I dont realize why you waste so much time and energy fighting about whether or not gay people can marry, and other such little details like that. It just doesnt matter. The one thing that does matter is, the Lord loves you. and that should be all.

Before you ban me, please just try to think about that.

and also, because i know you're going to ask, i dont do drugs, im not gay, im not high, and i havent been drinking.

We follow the law literally because IT'S THE LAW! You're the victim of the liberalization of the churches, they just tell you what you want to hear so that you'll come back for more. Landover has one interest, and that's SAVING YOUR SOUL! Why don't you open up your KJV1611 bible, and learn about the true Jesus that the sissy liberal churches don't want you to know about?

**Child Byar** · 01-28-2007, 06:55 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

So dont you see? The exact details dont matter. I dont realize why you waste so much time and energy fighting about whether or not gay people can marry, and other such little details like that. It just doesnt matter. .

My mind is boggling at your sense of scale. The LORD specifically tells us in His book of laws that "Thou shall NOT lie down with mankind as with womankind; it is an ABOMINATION." (Leviticus 18:22) You, in your fluff-headed audacity, then propose to tell us that this is just a minor detail?!

An abomination is an abomination - we True Christian Soldiers™ must fight to keep them out of sight of God, as abominations disgust Him. We, armed only with the Love of Jesus, must warn all homers to change their ways before God has a chance to send their souls over to Satan and his barbed you-know-what! Deuteronomy makes clear that God HATES abominations - is this a minor detail?

The Bible says that men using other men as women should surely be put to death in almost the same breath as the Ten Commandments. Is THAT a little detail?! What kind of heartless monster are you anyway, MollyChu? If I am commanded as a Christian Soldier to take the lives of two young men I happen to catch in the act at a truck stop, well their blood is on my hands, and I have to make sure that the secular authorities do not find traces of me at that location. All of a sudden the words of the architect seem to be echoing in my ears, "God is in the details... God is in the details", and every little detail, every little hair on my head, which He hath numbered and which might very well be hidden under the sink with my DNA stamped upon it, becomes important. But even at such a high-stress time in my life, do you think that the LIVES of those two young men (one not so young) are only minor details to me; or that the words in the Bible are MINOR DETAILS. They are not, I assure you.

**OnYourKnees** · 01-28-2007, 09:45 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

But, i've been thinking about extremist religion for a while. and it makes me think, why take it all so literally? Especially when the exact details dont matter?

The exact details dont matter. they dont. God is not the hideous monster you hope he is. In Matthew 22:36-40, it says(from the New International Version, not king james);

36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

So dont you see? The exact details dont matter. I dont realize why you waste so much time and energy fighting about whether or not gay people can marry, and other such little details like that. It just doesnt matter. The one thing that does matter is, the Lord loves you. and that should be all.

Before you ban me, please just try to think about that.

and also, because i know you're going to ask, i dont do drugs, im not gay, im not high, and i havent been drinking.

OK, Miss Chu, I've thought about it.

Even using your New Infidel perVersion, the most important part of the quote you've put forward is evident.

"What is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

The question was not, "Is there any one commandment we can follow instead of bothering with the rest of the Law?" No, it's a question of which of many is the very most important.

The first, Jesus says, is to love God with all heart, mind, and soul. The second is to love your neighbour (which is not all of humanity; how the Bible defines neighbour was addressed extensively elsewhere) as yourself.

The rest of the Law hangs on these. In other words, the rest of the Law is still there, but loving God supports it.

In no place does Jesus say that we can disregard the rest of the Law, or that we can "interpret" it, or pick and choose the bits we like.

If you've seen such a reference, please point it out. I'd be eager to read it.

**Brother Love** · 01-29-2007, 03:09 AM

Re: Why so literally?

Why take the Lord's WORD so literally, sinner? Here's the short answer:

THE BIBLE SAYS WHAT IT MEANS

AND IT MEANS WHAT IS SAYS!!

Get a clue before you find yourself burning in the bottomless PIT!

**Pastor Isaac Peters** · 01-29-2007, 05:17 PM

Re: Why so literally?

If the exact details don't matter, why did God give them to us? More to the point, if the exact details don't matter, what could these verses possibly mean?

Deuteronomy 4:2: Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Matthew 4:4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Note that it's the word, not the allegorical meaning or whatever it is that hippy-dippy liberal "Christians" are preaching this week, to which we must not add and from which we must not diminish anything. It's also every word, not just the ones you like, by which man shall live.

**Bobby-Joe** · 01-29-2007, 08:34 PM

Re: Why so literally?

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

So dont you see? The exact details dont matter. I dont realize why you waste so much time and energy fighting about whether or not gay people can marry, and other such little details like that. It just doesnt matter. The one thing that does matter is, the Lord loves you. and that should be all.

Before you ban me, please just try to think about that.

Friend,
Since I am saved threw the Grace of God I don't worry about the detials. Jesus will not let me sin so what ever I do is always right and Jesus would never let me make a mistake. It is the unsaved I want to help love Jesus like I do before they are tossed into hell.

Originally posted by mollychu View Post

and also, because i know you're going to ask, i dont do drugs, im not gay, im not high, and i havent been drinking.

That is hard to accept friend since you read that nether orafice of Satan the NIV.

**Saved by His Grace** · 12-30-2011, 06:02 PM

Re: Why so literally?

This has been truly enlightening. Thank you Pastor Al, that is a wonderful list of scriptures. I think I need to spend more time fasting and praying and those will be at the top of my list for today.

**Redeemed Papist** · 12-30-2011, 08:09 PM

Re: Why so literally?

It's all true or it's all lies.

God is either the creator of the earth and firmament or he's a made up sky fairy.

These idiots who try hedging that Jesus didn't really actually rise from the dead or walk on water and it's all a metaphor are crazy. What would be remarkable about a not-really-divine bloke with delusions of grandeur in love with his own opinion and ramming it down other people's throats. Half the false Christians we get in here qualify for that.

God and Jesus are real and divine and exactly as described in the Bible or it's all just some sick joke.

Shame on you if you disbelieve a word of the Bible and yet claim to be a Christian!
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