[EightyEight]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

That is good to know. We started to get a bit worried here.

I certainly hope not! Believe me, pedophilia is a disgusting offense! Especially when it's between two males, because then sodomy is involved.

<--me, vomiting

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

God does not pronounce on the matter of the age of the participants, therefore it is irrelevant to Salvation™. The judgment should be between the would-be suitor and the girl’s father and whether fornication has taken place.

In some jurisdictions, the secular law concerns itself with the relative ages of the participants, and that is as may be – I would find it hard to think that Solomon with his 700 wives did not have some that were youthful.

Again, one of the partners must be over the age of consent, and the other must be under said age.

I am pleased that this has been struck out. I can find no support for this in secular law.

The OP is clearly of limited intellect and, as such, should be prevented from breeding more welfare cases. I would suggest sterilization for him and any partners who may be attracted to him. The latter are clearly social problems in the making.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

So you think it's OK for kids to have sex as long as they are the same age? That's disgusting AND against God!

God really isn't that naive.

First, sex is for having babies, not for having fun.

Even the Bible doesn't say THAT. If you think that, you're obviously not doing it right.

Second, little kids can't get married, and sex before marriage is adultery.

Technically it is fornication, but not adultery, but who cares what label we put on it?

Third, you seem to know a lot about little kids having sex. I bet you're one of those kiddie porn pedophiles yourself!

This is sad. Instead of arguing on the merits, you're making personal attacks without a shred of evidence.

You better repent, or you're going to end up in HELL!!!

Nobody really goes to Hell. Hell is a metaphor. Remember, 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love. No loving God would send anyone to everlasting torment.

I agree, it is against God, and in some cases disgusting. Age 16 is, even in my eyes, too young to be fornicating.

Some 16 year olds are able to make a responsible decision to have sex, and some are not. If they use proper protection to prevent unwanted pregnancies and the spread of disease, and if they are mature enough to deal with the emotional consequences of being sexually active, what is the problem?

That's why in the Unitarian Church, we provide comprehensive sex education to our children, so they will be able to make smart choices and will be able to deal in a healthy way with their own sexual urges.

The OP is clearly of limited intellect and, as such, should be prevented from breeding more welfare cases. I would suggest sterilization for him and any partners who may be attracted to him. The latter are clearly social problems in the making.

Bathfire, I'm shocked. You too are resulting to the personal insult? You always seemed to be above that sort of thing.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

This is sad. Instead of arguing on the merits, .... Nobody really goes to Hell. Hell is a metaphor.

So much for arguing on the merits.

Remember, 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love.

Which is why God wants us to make the right choice. Your Bible does contain more than 1 verse, I hope?

No loving God would send anyone to everlasting torment.

It's because God loves us that we have a chance to go to Heaven. There very much is a Hell. Let's do some Bible consultation, shall we?

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Romans 1 is a pretty good read. God most certainly does not love under all conditions:
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

It's amazing how false Christians will desperately grab 1 John as a kind of loophole that goes against 99.9% of the Bible. It's self-deceptive wishful thinking at its "finest".

... to deal with the emotional consequences of being sexually active, what is the problem?

1. It's statutory rape.
2. They will go to Hell.

That's why in the Unitarian Church, ...

The unitarian "church" is a joke. They buckled under the persecution by atheists into compromising on the Bible. See my signature for the passage that describe corrupted "Christians" like you. Your house is built on sand.

we provide comprehensive sex education to our children

You are encouraging minors to have sex. Let me repeat that. You are encouraging MINORS to have sex. Let me repeat that again. YOU ARE ENCOURAGING MINORS TO HAVE SEX.

Bathfire, I'm shocked. You too are resulting to the personal insult? You always seemed to be above that sort of thing.

YOU are shocked?? You come here with your perversions and unholy corruption and you complain about a "personal insult"? Now I am shocked!

[TheLordSavedMe]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Who is this Star King guy anyways? He sounds like just as much of a kid-toucher pervert as the EightyEight guy. I bet they think they are so smart!

Well, I hope they are both smart enough to stop with the big words and just start believing the Bible. Which does say God is LOVE, but it also says this:



They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.


The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace.


They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
Jeremiah 12:11-13


I may not be 100% sure what it means, but it sure sounds to me like the Lord is pretty darned MAD at somebody, and I bet that somebody isn't a True Christian™!!!




Tammi

[EightyEight]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Well, I hope they are both smart enough to stop with the big words

....

Tammi

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was confusing you. Perhaps you should take your bickering to another thread and let the adults talk in this one.

[True Disciple]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

God really isn't that naive.

What are you talking about?

Technically it is fornication, but not adultery, but who cares what label we put on it?

As both of these sins grant people tickets to eternal punishment, there certainly is no real reason to differentiate, you're right about that.

Nobody really goes to Hell. Hell is a metaphor. Remember, 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love. No loving God would send anyone to everlasting torment.

CAUTION: False Christian Alert!

My dear Moony friend, you need to get your facts straight. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, and yes, the original Greek source texts teach it as well. Please read this discussion between me and one of your fellows of your hellish church, where I prove conclusively that this indeed is so. If you do not agree with me on a point, please address that point in that thread.

That's why in the Unitarian Church, we provide comprehensive sex education to our children, so they will be able to make smart choices and will be able to deal in a healthy way with their own sexual urges.

And that's why you are not True Christians(tm). We teach our children to be prudent in issues like these, seeing God's opinion on the matter. You teach your children what is the most efficient way to commit fornication. That's the difference between us.

Bathfire, I'm shocked. You too are resulting to the personal insult? You always seemed to be above that sort of thing.

Brother Bathfire is not being insulting, he is merely suggesting the most efficient solution to a problem.

[Virgin93]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Do you know that Kes on the Starship Voyager was only 3 years old when she joined the crew and she was dating Neelix, a warthog alien! How sick is that?!?! LOL!



But that's off-topic. Dude, if you're in love and of legal age, do what you're ready for and use protection! I can't tell you how many cases of space syphilis I've had!

About what kind of protection do you speak?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

About what kind of protection do you speak?

He is talking about sex for pleasure instead of sex for making children. It is a sin that is punishable by death: Genesis 38:9-10 "And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.". I am sure Satan will have unprotected sodomy with him for all eternity while he is burning in hell.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

You teach your children what is the most efficient way to commit fornication.

Amen, Brother! I'm still shocked that this was presented as an example of how "backwards" we are.

What's next on the list, saying Heaven and Hell don't exist? Or that Jesus wasn't without sin... or that the Bible can be taken metaphorically? Or that the Bible wasn't written by God Himself?

Oh wait, those outrageous claims were actually made!

We've seen atheists come here pretending to be Christians, but this is the first time we saw an atheist who seemed to actually think he's a Christian. (although the word "think" is not entirely correct in this context)

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Which is why God wants us to make the right choice. Your Bible does contain more than 1 verse, I hope?

Yes, it does. That does not mean that I accept them all as Gospel truth. For example, do you literally believe both Jeremiah 3:12 and Jeremiah 17:4:

I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12

Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever. Jeremiah 17:4

Let's do some Bible consultation, shall we?

Yes, let's.

It's amazing how false Christians will desperately grab 1 John as a kind of loophole that goes against 99.9% of the Bible.

I'm glad that you at least admit the Bible contains contradictions, I didn't expect that from a Landoverite. It's amazing how so-called True Christians at Landover will ignore these words of Jesus:

Blessed are the merciful. Matthew 5:7

Blessed are the peacemakers. Matthew 5:9

...all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.... Matthew 7:12

...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Matthew 12:29-31

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Luke 6:27

Perhaps you could give a few examples from your personal life to illustrate how you have been merciful, been a peacemaker, done onto others in all things as you would have them do onto you, loved your neighbors, turned the other cheek, let someone steal your cloak, given to those who have asked of you, loved your enemies, and been kind to the unthankful and the evil.

The unitarian "church" is a joke. They buckled under the persecution by atheists into compromising on the Bible.

You compromise the Bible by ignoring the parts that you don't like, too. We at least are open about our approach to spirituality and admit that we do not know everything.

YOU ARE ENCOURAGING MINORS TO HAVE SEX.

I am encouraging everyone to act responsibly when engaging in sex or chosing not to. I am also being realistic about the fact that teenagers will have sex, regardless of how much Bible you think you're pounding into them.

Since I started posting on these forums, I've been in touch with a lot of Landoverites who do not live up to the ridiculous standards you would impose on them. If you really want to be shocked, you should find out how many gay Landoverites there are. But I'll make you a deal. When your pastors give up their private jets and limos and sell everything they own to give to the poor, I'll start taking your perspective on the Bible more seriously.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

For example, do you literally believe both Jeremiah 3:12 and Jeremiah 17:4:

Ah, nice to see that you found other sections in the Bible as well. But please cite the entire verse. It comes across as sloppy. Allow me to quote the complete verses plus some context.

Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Jeremiah 3:13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 17:4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

As we can see, if we actually read more than snippets of verses, an entirely different picture appears.

I'm glad that you at least admit the Bible contains contradictions

This is an excellent example of how you are reading and twisting words to suit your agenda.

I said and meant nothing more than that you are interpreting a fraction of the Bible into something that goes against 99.9% of the Bible. Thus, simple logic dictates that such interpretation -- even if interpretation were allowed at all -- is invalid.

And yet, you misunderstood my argument (even though it goes against all the rest I've said) and twisted into something I most obviously did not say or intend.

You're doing this with my words and you're doing the same with God's Word. No difference.

I didn't expect that from a Landoverite. ... so-called True Christians

If you can't construct an argument without mixing in personal insults, then that's pretty childish on your part. I would not call it merficul or peacemaking. But I forgive you, friend.

Blessed are the merciful. Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the peacemakers. Matthew 5:9

I am growing somewhat tired of you, friend. AGAIN, you cannot include the full verse. Let me do it once again.

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 7:12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Please explain why it's even too much effort for you to copy the word "Therefore". It gives the impression you are not copying verses from the Bible, but from an atheist website.

Perhaps you could give a few examples from your personal life...

Is this an honest question or are you just leading me on? I would love to talk about how I apply the Bible in my family and day-to-day life, but I have a feeling you're just trying to confront me. It's tiresome for me to talk to closed-minded people and that energy is better saved on people who can still be saved.

I feel this passage applies here:

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

But in case you would like to know, I do volunteer a lot of time on a secular rape victims website. I am also a keynote speaker at a conference on the subject of rape and various ways to prevent it from happening. And no, I do not ask a single penny for my services and contributions.

You compromise the Bible by ignoring the parts that you don't like, too.

And yet you are unable to point out even a single instance of compromise. You have a twisted view of love and hate. In your mind, it is an act of love to let someone condemn himself to Hell. All I want is for everyone to come to Heaven with us.

Let me emphasize that: we want all the goths, emos, school shooters, homersexuals, lesbians, negroes, joos, atheists, whores, sluts, prostitutes, criminals, lieberals, obama and every one else you "feel" we hate to COME TO HEAVEN WITH US. There is 0% hate there.

If you really want to be shocked, you should find out how many gay Landoverites there are.

Well, speaking as an ex-Masturbator, I am well aware that anyone can sin prior to being Saved. Many fellow True Christians have real-world experience so to speak. This can all be forgiven once one lets God in.

But I'll make you a deal. When your pastors give up their private jets and limos and sell everything they own to give to the poor, I'll start taking your perspective on the Bible more seriously.

Okay, so basically nothing I say will make any difference whatsoever because you've already made up your mind. Nice to know the next time I invest time in answering.

My family will keep you in our prayers.

Yours in Christ.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

can sex with a dog?? sound gross but just wondering if its ok on jesus

No problem, friend. I will answer your question with complete honesty. Let us consider these two facts:

• Sex with animals is explicitly forbidden in the Old Testament (Leviticus)
• Many Christians claim that the Old Testament does not apply anymore

So yes, if you ask "modern" Christians, then there's nothing in the Bible that forbids you from having sex with your dog. Maybe that's why they are against the Old Testament so much, I don't know.

Also keep in mind that the Bible teaches us to obey secular law, so if sex with your dog is illegal in your jurisdiction, you can't have sex with your dog on legal grounds. Morally, however, a "modern" Christian has no objection.

True Christians™, of course, may obviously not have sex with their dogs

[Virgin93]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

He is talking about sex for pleasure instead of sex for making children. It is a sin that is punishable by death: Genesis 38:9-10 "And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.". I am sure Satan will have unprotected sodomy with him for all eternity while he is burning in hell.

That is not only a heavy sin, that is also really disgusting. I want to have a lot of children even if I have to have sex for it.