[Basilissa]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

All the Psalms talk about how we are blessed if we believe, meaning we go to heaven if we have faith in him. John talks about how Jesus died, so our sins would be taken away, that doesn't mean we are sinless, that just means we are forgiven. Acts talks about how we are forgiven if we believe in Jesus. Revelation basically says the same thing. We aren't sinless, we can choose to believe or not believe. We are saved by Faith, meaning we are saved if we truly believe in him. Having faith doesn't mean we are perfect, or without sin. Those verses don't talk about how we are sinless at all. I think you took it out of context.

My goodness, you really are dim. OK, lemme try once again:

1) We are all born sinners. We both agree on that, you provided plenty of verses to back it up.

2) The fact that Jesus died for us, cleans those who believe in Him and who agree to be baptized, from all sins (e.g. Acts 22:16)

3) All people who do these things, are unable to sin (1 John 3:5-9).

[Another Phoney Christian]

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My goodness, you really are dim. OK, lemme try once again:

1) We are all born sinners. We both agree on that, you provided plenty of verses to back it up.

2) The fact that Jesus died for us, cleans those who believe in Him and who agree to be baptized, from all sins (e.g. Acts 22:16)

3) All people who do these things, are unable to sin (1 John 3:5-9).

Well, why did Jesus need to die in the first place then? Jesus died because we sin, he needed to in order to save us. Since Adam and Eve ate the apple, they cursed us into sin. We all are descendants of Adam and Eve. We might go to heaven, but we still sin. Acknowledging we sin is the first step to becoming a good Christian. It helps us keep away from more sin. Also, in 1 John 3:8 it says "If we claim we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us". The same Bible Verse you gave me. The part right after talks about how "If we confess our sins, God who is faithful and just, will forgive our sins, and cleans us from all unrighteousness." That means if we believe in God when we die, we will be saved, forgiven, and go to heaven. Being Absolved of all sin doesn't mean we don't sin. We still sin, we are just forgiven.


I hope this response clears up any hazy thoughts.

[Another Phoney Christian]

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Sorry about that, it wasn't 1 John, it was just John. Or a different bible. But, it still helps to prove my point. Also, it is something that is told over and over again per service I attend, so I remember that quote on a more personal level, since the Decan, or the Pastor says it almost every service.

[Basilissa]

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Well, why did Jesus need to die in the first place then? Jesus died because we sin, he needed to in order to save us.

See #1 in my previous post.

Acknowledging we sin is the first step to becoming a good Christian. It helps us keep away from more sin.

Thank you for finally acknowledging that True Christians don't sin.

Being Absolved of all sin doesn't mean we don't sin. We still sin, we are just forgiven.

I hope this response clears up any hazy thoughts.

So you say God lied to us in 1 John 3:5-9?

[Another Phoney Christian]

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My goodness, you really are dim. OK, lemme try once again:

1) We are all born sinners. We both agree on that, you provided plenty of verses to back it up.

2) The fact that Jesus died for us, cleans those who believe in Him and who agree to be baptized, from all sins (e.g. Acts 22:16)

3) All people who do these things, are unable to sin (1 John 3:5-9).

Well, with this logic, any sin that we commit after Baptism will be held against us when we come face to face with Jesus Christ at the Gates of Heaven. We'd need to be baptized every day if we were to wash our sins away. That is sorta like saying: "After I am baptized, I can no longer sin, so I am now perfect" then that person proceeds to murder 3 people in their life, steal 5 cars, rape people, and torture people. Would that person still be considered perfect, or has he sinned?

[Basilissa]

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Well, with this logic, any sin that we commit after Baptism will be held against us when we come face to face with Jesus Christ at the Gates of Heaven. We'd need to be baptized every day if we were to wash our sins away. That is sorta like saying: "After I am baptized, I can no longer sin, so I am now perfect" then that person proceeds to murder 3 people in their life, steal 5 cars, rape people, and torture people. Would that person still be considered perfect, or has he sinned?

No. It could mean one of two things:

1) They were phony Christians from the beginning. They were baptized, but never really accepted Jesus as their Savior.

2) There were real Christians, following a direct order from God, Who, in certain circumstances, allows to kill (e.g. Exodus 33:27-28, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 7:2, Deuteronomy 17:2-6, 12, Deuteronomy 20:16-18, Joshua 7:20-21, 1 Samuel 15:3, etc), steal from (e.g., Deuteronomy 20:13-14), rape (e.g. Deuteronomy 21:10-14), and torture (e.g. Hosea 13:16) hellbound heathens.

[Another Phoney Christian]

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See #1 in my previous post.

Thank you for finally acknowledging that True Christians don't sin.

So you say God lied to us in 1 John 3:5-9?

I am saying you are not understanding what the bible says. God hasn't lied, you just don't have a proper understanding of what that text is telling you. That text does not refer to us, it Refers to Christ. If you are able to destroy the Devil, and his evil, then please do it. That is what Christ has done in the past. We are not born of God, we are born of Sin. And, that 2nd one was not me agreeing with you. It was me saying if you acknowledge you sin, then you are on the right path to prevent sin from happening. You are saying that you are of no sin, which is false. We all have sinned at least once. If you can't accept that, then that's on you. We are born into sin. What you are trying to explain to me is that you are of NO sin, meaning you have never sinned in your life, which is untrue.

[Dana723]

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Sorry about that, it wasn't 1 John, it was just John. Or a different bible. But, it still helps to prove my point. Also, it is something that is told over and over again per service I attend, so I remember that quote on a more personal level, since the Decan, or the Pastor says it almost every service.

If you can't remember where you read something in the Bible, then why bother quoting it? How can anyone trust you if you can't get that right? It's like trying to tell someone your address. If they can't tell you their address, then how many other things will they get wrong?

[Didymus Much]

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Well, why did Jesus need to die in the first place then? Jesus died because we sin, he needed to in order to save us. Since Adam and Eve ate the apple, they cursed us into sin. We all are descendants of Adam and Eve. We might go to heaven, but we still sin. Acknowledging we sin is the first step to becoming a good Christian. It helps us keep away from more sin. Also, in 1 John 3:8 it says "If we claim we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us". The same Bible Verse you gave me. The part right after talks about how "If we confess our sins, God who is faithful and just, will forgive our sins, and cleans us from all unrighteousness." That means if we believe in God when we die, we will be saved, forgiven, and go to heaven. Being Absolved of all sin doesn't mean we don't sin. We still sin, we are just forgiven.


I hope this response clears up any hazy thoughts.

Nope. You've still got them. Try reading the Bible AS IT IS WRITTEN.

[Another Phoney Christian]

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If you can't remember where you read something in the Bible, then why bother quoting it? How can anyone trust you if you can't get that right? It's like trying to tell someone your address. If they can't tell you their address, then how many other things will they get wrong?

I quote it because I remember it by heart. Every service it is quoted by the Pastor. Why, should I not quote something that actually pertains to the conversation?


Also, there are multiple different versions of the Bible, I read at least 2 different versions of the bible, and my multiple bible studies call for different bibles to study.


I am also only human, I can't get everything perfect. But all of us are human, after all. Only Jesus, God, and The Holy Ghost are the true perfect ones.

[Basilissa]

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I am saying you are not understanding what the bible says. God hasn't lied, you just don't have a proper understanding of what that text is telling you. That text does not refer to us, it Refers to Christ.

Why does it say then, "whosoever"?

If you are able to destroy the Devil, and his evil, then please do it.

We are not born of God, we are born of Sin.

Indeed. And baptism, after accepting Jesus, changes that.

You are saying that you are of no sin, which is false. We all have sinned at least once. If you can't accept that, then that's on you. We are born into sin. What you are trying to explain to me is that you are of NO sin, meaning you have never sinned in your life, which is untrue.

We might have a linguistic misunderstanding here. I am not saying I have never sinned in my life. I am just saying that I have been sin-free since I accepted Jesus as my Savior.

Here's a metaphor to make it understand a bit easier. All people are born like dirty clothes. Dirt = sin. Accepting Jesus and being baptized afterwards is like cleaning dirty laundry. Jesus' blood = detergent. Wash the clothes, and they come out clean. Clean = sin-free.

[Dana723]

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I quote it because I remember it by heart. Every service it is quoted by the Pastor. Why, should I not quote something that actually pertains to the conversation?


Also, there are multiple different versions of the Bible, I read at least 2 different versions of the bible, and my multiple bible studies call for different bibles to study.


I am also only human, I can't get everything perfect. But all of us are human, after all. Only Jesus, God, and The Holy Ghost are the true perfect ones.

Correction: There is only one true version of the Bible and that is

[Another Phoney Christian]

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Why does it say then, "whosoever"?


Indeed. And baptism, after accepting Jesus, changes that.
We might have a linguistic misunderstanding here. I am not saying I have never sinned in my life. I am just saying that I have been sin-free since I accepted Jesus as my Savior.

Here's a metaphor to make it understand a bit easier. All people are born like dirty clothes. Dirt = sin. Accepting Jesus and being baptized afterwards is like cleaning dirty laundry. Jesus' blood = detergent. Wash the clothes, and they come out clean. Clean = sin-free.

Well, I guess we do have a mis-understanding, because you wrote it in a way where it seems like you say where you are saying that you have no sin in your life. (When I say life, I mean your entire life) I understand that Baptism helps clean you, but you also need faith in order to enter the gates of heaven.


Glad we cleared that up.

[Elmer G. White]

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I am also only human, I can't get everything perfect. But all of us are human, after all. Only Jesus, God, and The Holy Ghost are the true perfect ones.

Dear sinner, please do not hastily generalize your own inadequacies to everyone.

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Another Phoney Christian]

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Dear sinner, please do not hastily generalize your own inadequacies to everyone.

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

The lord does not like Pride. Noticing your Inadequacies is humbleness. Something you need to know how to be as a Christian. Jeremiah 9:23