[Basilissa]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

Asexuality for me was half how I naturally am (I barely have any sex drive) and half what I decided to be (repressing what little I still had).

Eww, why do even want to talk about stuff like that on a Christian forum?!

Asexuality is one of the greatest gifts God has given to me, as it allows me to help and counsel others without my mind getting clouded by sexual temptation.

In what way can you possibly help and counsel others if you are totally ignorant of the Word of God as expressed in the Holy Bible?

I still completely identify as a guy (despite what you all changed my username to), just a guy with no sexual interests or desires.

That does not prohibit you from engaging in the act of procreation, because, dear, if you were engaging in it for any other reason than procreation (such as for those sexual interests and desires you talk about), it would be fornication. God doesn't like fornication.

As a matter of fact, even on a liberal college campus, being ace has helped me to stay clear of sexual sin because those kinds of temptations are not things I would ever be interested in.

Good for you, dear. I always knew that liberal colleges are just covers for orgies (even though that the so-called "scientific evidence" says that the new generation engages in this sort of activities less than any other in the last 60 years).

To clarify, the creation mandate, specifically the part about being fruitful and multiplying, was directed at humanity as a whole, not individuals. I know that there is no verse of scripture that clearly states that every Christian is required to bear children. Paul even talks about the "gift of singleness".

Yes he does, dear, and if you bothered to read the opening post, you'd know that this issue has been addressed there. I copy it here because apparently clicking on "First Page" is too much trouble for you:

I believe the gift of singleness is very rare. I would be very suspicious of any professing Christian today who claimed to have the gift. The Apostle Paul was an incredibly gifted man, able to perform signs and wonders (Acts 14:3, 1 Thes 1:5), heal the sick (Acts 28:9) and, on one occasion, raise the dead (Acts 20:9-10). He was working to expand the kingdom of heaven. We also know that Paul suffered many tribulations: “Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; in journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; in weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness” (2 Cor 11:23-27). God probably decided he didn’t need the additional burden of caring for a woman and so bestowed on him a special gift.

All these passages tell us is that God may grant a gift of singleness to a True Christian™ who is working to expand His kingdom. I would not dare call such a person an asexual. Asexuality applies only to unsaved people who refuse to marry and have sons because they claim to have no sexual desire.

And then, the conclusion:

The Solution

If you have been born with a condition that prevents you from reproducing or having sex, or if you have been castrated or sustained an injury to your manhood, that’s too bad; you’d better pray for a miracle or something. Otherwise

MAN UP AND GET MARRIED!

I highly recommend that you read the entire opening post, dear. It contains a lot of relevant Biblical evidence.

[Michael Hezekiah Esq]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

Wait, my children claim to be "aro"? Which ones? If it's the one who keeps cutting herself, tell her I. will. not. be held hostage to her attention whoring no matter what. She can get over her big, bad, special snowflake self and get to work.

Mrs. Etheldreda,


I am sorrowful to hear that you have a cutter in your family. Often this is a way children cry out because their lives are claustrophobic, repressive, or unpleasant. Other times it is because in their own minds, they are not good enough or they feel they don't meet up to the standards of their peers. We see this often in family law court when homeschoolers act out because they have no other means of self expression.


I can recommend good psychiatrists who would come to you or who could refer you to someone where you live. In the meantime, don't think of this as an attention-getter. It's a very difficult disorder and signals the possibility of being suicidal.


Yours,
Michael Hezekiah, Esq.
Atty at Law


PS: I took the liberty of calling the Iowa Department of Social Services and they will contact you on Monday. I hope you'll take advantage of their offers of help. This may require your daughter to leave home for a while.

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

Eww, why do even want to talk about stuff like that on a Christian forum?!

What, about not wanting sex? What's gross about that.

In what way can you possibly help and counsel others if you are totally ignorant of the Word of God as expressed in the Holy Bible?

That's merely your opinion of me, as well as a cheap shot at trying to change the immediate topic.

That does not prohibit you from engaging in the act of procreation, because, dear, if you were engaging in it for any other reason than procreation (such as for those sexual interests and desires you talk about), it would be fornication. God doesn't like fornication.

Cherry-picking verses to make up a half-baked reasoning for your groundless philosophy of keeping pleasure out of intimate interactions in marriage does not make it gospel. There is no verse that explicitly says that, in a marital union, a man and women can't engage in sexual intimacy even if it's just for their pleasure.

Good for you, dear. I always knew that liberal colleges are just covers for orgies (even though that the so-called "scientific evidence" says that the new generation engages in this sort of activities less than any other in the last 60 years).

"Orgies" is a bit dramatic, but there is a ton of illicit sex on campus.

Yes he does, dear, and if you bothered to read the opening post, you'd know that this issue has been addressed there. I copy it here because apparently clicking on "First Page" is too much trouble for you:

And then, the conclusion:

I highly recommend that you read the entire opening post, dear. It contains a lot of relevant Biblical evidence.

You present no solid scriptural reference that actually defines what kind of person can have the gift of singleness except your own extrascriptural beliefs.

As for that conclusion, the Bible says nothing that would even imply such a bombastic ultimatum as "MAN UP AND GET MARRIED". Additionally, you make the false assumption that I have no interest in marriage. I just have no interest in sex. Love without sex is still love, and in my opinion it's a far more innocent kind of love than what is common today.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

...me... Bible ... I ... I ... my ....

As we can see, your assertions outnumber the Bible 4-1 and Jesus/God 4-0.

Matthew 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This is the problem, the fundamental one. The attitude towards procreating is the symptom. You are making ad hoc escapes to flee from acts (conjugal relations in Godly marriage) that you find distasteful. You're not alone. It is a tiresome act that I would never ever have contemplated if it weren't for Jesus. You can say that Jesus was ambiguous in Genesis 1:28, but why should you be the exception? This is called free-riding. If an adequate number of others follow God, you can take it easy and refrain from the repulsive act of marital duties? Jesus does not agree:

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Are the commands targeted at single individuals? In fact, they are. First, after the Flood, God addressed all remaining men simultaneosly!

Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

This was said to every single one of them!

Deuteronomy 7:14
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

Verily, you should not be barren!

The free-riding also causes countless female humans to go into the agonies of Hell!

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

As we know, females outnumber men in the Godly U.S. of A. This means that there are women who are by definition condemned (John 3:18). By your selfish act, another woman cannot bear children in Holy Marriage, and has no chance for Salvation.

You're writing as if this was all about you. It is only about you as far as your fate for Eternity is concerned (Ecclesiastes 12:13). So why do not let Jesus decide what is best for you?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Michael Hezekiah Esq]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

What, about not wanting sex? What's gross about that.


That's merely your opinion of me, as well as a cheap shot at trying to change the immediate topic.


Cherry-picking verses to make up a half-baked reasoning for your groundless philosophy of keeping pleasure out of intimate interactions in marriage does not make it gospel. There is no verse that explicitly says that, in a marital union, a man and women can't engage in sexual intimacy even if it's just for their pleasure.


"Orgies" is a bit dramatic, but there is a ton of illicit sex on campus.


You present no solid scriptural reference that actually defines what kind of person can have the gift of singleness except your own extrascriptural beliefs.

As for that conclusion, the Bible says nothing that would even imply such a bombastic ultimatum as "MAN UP AND GET MARRIED". Additionally, you make the false assumption that I have no interest in marriage. I just have no interest in sex. Love without sex is still love, and in my opinion it's a far more innocent kind of love than what is common today.

To the poster:


I wish I knew your actual name, as I would use it.
Indeed, G_d designed our bodies so that sexual intercourse would be a treat for those who participate in it. No one can deny the excitement that is felt between lovers who engage in the sexual union.


However, you absolutely have a right to choose not to engage in sexual intercourse or even to allow the eroticism of such acts to enter your mind. G_d is a kind even if vengeful creator, and He respects your choices. Indeed, your lifestyle is likely bringing you closer to the Heavenly path.


I send my wishes that you continue to live your life in the way that makes you happy.


Sincerely,
Michael Hezekiah, Esq.
Atty at Law

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

As we can see, your assertions outnumber the Bible 4-1 and Jesus/God 4-0.

Matthew 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This is the problem, the fundamental one. The attitude towards procreating is the symptom. You are making ad hoc escapes to flee from acts (conjugal relations in Godly marriage) that you find distasteful. You're not alone. It is a tiresome act that I would never ever have contemplated if it weren't for Jesus. You can say that Jesus was ambiguous in Genesis 1:28, but why should you be the exception? This is called free-riding. If an adequate number of others follow God, you can take it easy and refrain from the repulsive act of marital duties? Jesus does not agree:

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Are the commands targeted at single individuals? In fact, they are. First, after the Flood, God addressed all remaining men simultaneosly!

Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

This was said to every single one of them!

Deuteronomy 7:14
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

Verily, you should not be barren!

The free-riding also causes countless female humans to go into the agonies of Hell!

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

As we know, females outnumber men in the Godly U.S. of A. This means that there are women who are by definition condemned (John 3:18). By your selfish act, another woman cannot bear children in Holy Marriage, and has no chance for Salvation.

You're writing as if this was all about you. It is only about you as far as your fate for Eternity is concerned (Ecclesiastes 12:13). So why do not let Jesus decide what is best for you?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

All you do is spew cheap arguments. The verse you used in response to "free riding" as you put it IN NO WAY explicitly states procreation as being a command of God.


God individually addressed Noah's sons. You can twist and cherry-pick God's Word all you like, but no verse explicitly mandates procreation for every individual Christian.

[Basilissa]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

What, about not wanting sex? What's gross about that.

May I remind you that you were talking about repressing your sex drive. I mean, children visit these boards, and you're talking about such things!

That's merely your opinion of me, as well as a cheap shot at trying to change the immediate topic.

OK then, please, be my guest, and change my opinion of you, and cite as much relevant Scripture as you can see fit. I'd really love that.

Cherry-picking verses to make up a half-baked reasoning for your groundless philosophy of keeping pleasure out of intimate interactions in marriage does not make it gospel.

Wait, I'm confused now. How did we get from the topic of not having sex at all to feeling pleasure in marital sex? Because the whole Song of Solomon is all about having pleasure in sex, it's like Kamasutra but with God's stamp of approval.

There is no verse that explicitly says that, in a marital union, a man and women can't engage in sexual intimacy even if it's just for their pleasure.

I don't think I've ever claimed that, and if I did give that impression then I apologize for it.

1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

You present no solid scriptural reference that actually defines what kind of person can have the gift of singleness except your own extrascriptural beliefs.

OK, it's not me, it's Godly Brother Pim Pendergrast. And he provides plenty of Biblical evidence in the original post.

As for that conclusion, the Bible says nothing that would even imply such a bombastic ultimatum as "MAN UP AND GET MARRIED". Additionally, you make the false assumption that I have no interest in marriage. I just have no interest in sex. Love without sex is still love,

Except, that celibacy in marriage condemns your childless wife to Hell:

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

If you call that love, I'm afraid to ask what to you call hate.

[Basilissa]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

All you do is spew cheap arguments. The verse you used in response to "free riding" as you put it IN NO WAY explicitly states procreation as being a command of God.


God individually addressed Noah's sons. You can twist and cherry-pick God's Word all you like, but no verse explicitly mandates procreation for every individual Christian.

Oh, I get it now. So you are able to twist the Bible any way you want it by dividing things that were said to all readers of the Holy Bible (the parts that you like) and things which were said only to certain people and do not apply to all readers (the parts you don't like).

That may seem very smart, but the problem with applying this rule is its subjectivity - so, the parts that you like other people might not like and vice versa.

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

To the poster:


I wish I knew your actual name, as I would use it.
Indeed, G_d designed our bodies so that sexual intercourse would be a treat for those who participate in it. No one can deny the excitement that is felt between lovers who engage in the sexual union.


However, you absolutely have a right to choose not to engage in sexual intercourse or even to allow the eroticism of such acts to enter your mind. G_d is a kind even if vengeful creator, and He respects your choices. Indeed, your lifestyle is likely bringing you closer to the Heavenly path.


I send my wishes that you continue to live your life in the way that makes you happy.


Sincerely,
Michael Hezekiah, Esq.
Atty at Law

Thank you for your kind words

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

May I remind you that you were talking about repressing your sex drive. I mean, children visit these boards, and you're talking about such things!

OK then, please, be my guest, and change my opinion of you, and cite as much relevant Scripture as you can see fit. I'd really love that.

Wait, I'm confused now. How did we get from the topic of not having sex at all to feeling pleasure in marital sex? Because the whole Song of Solomon is all about having pleasure in sex, it's like Kamasutra but with God's stamp of approval.

I don't think I've ever claimed that, and if I did give that impression then I apologize for it.

1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

OK, it's not me, it's Godly Brother Pim Pendergrast. And he provides plenty of Biblical evidence in the original post.

Except, that celibacy in marriage condemns your childless wife to Hell:

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

If you call that love, I'm afraid to ask what to you call hate.

And if you call that taking a verse in proper context and understanding its meaning, I would hate to hear your think is heresy

Don't try to confuse me about this community's stance on pleasure in sex is, just read the posts by your fellow "true christians"

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

Oh, I get it now. So you are able to twist the Bible any way you want it by dividing things that were said to all readers of the Holy Bible (the parts that you like) and things which were said only to certain people and do not apply to all readers (the parts you don't like).

That may seem very smart, but the problem with applying this rule is its subjectivity - so, the parts that you like other people might not like and vice versa.

I believe the whole Bible to be the one and only Word of God in the order that it was written, and I take its verses at face value.


If anyone picks and chooses verses to satisfy their extrascriptural and borderline heretical doctrines, it's you.

[Basilissa]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

And if you call that taking a verse in proper context and understanding its meaning, I would hate to hear your think is heresy

Oh, you want context? Well, here it is:

1 Timothy 2:12-15
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

As you can see, the context is that women are inferior to men. Eve's sin explains why our only path to salvation is through childbirth:

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

When you read the Timothy 2:15 verse in context of Genesis 3:16, they make perfect sense.

Don't try to confuse me about this community's stance on pleasure in sex is, just read the posts by your fellow "true christians"

Let's stay on the subject, dear, which is not sex in marriage but life without sex at all.

I believe the whole Bible to be the one and only Word of God in the order that it was written, and I take its verses at face value.

I am looking forward to hearing less of your feelings and more of Biblical evidence, then.

If anyone picks and chooses verses to satisfy their extrascriptural and borderline heretical doctrines, it's you.

Prove it using appropriate Scripture.

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

Oh, you want context? Well, here it is:

1 Timothy 2:12-15
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

As you can see, the context is that women are inferior to men. Eve's sin explains why our only path to salvation is through childbirth:

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

When you read the Timothy 2:15 verse in context of Genesis 3:16, they make perfect sense.

Let's stay on the subject, dear, which is not sex in marriage but life without sex at all.



I am looking forward to hearing less of your feelings and more of Biblical evidence, then.



Prove it using appropriate Scripture.

The context of that verse in 1 Timothy clearly is talking about Eve being saved through childbirth, specifically as a reference to her ultimate salvation through Jesus Christ. Genesis says the same thing when it talks about the offspring of the woman (Eve) being the salvation of mankind

[Basilissa]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

The context of that verse in 1 Timothy clearly is talking about Eve being saved through childbirth, specifically as a reference to her ultimate salvation through Jesus Christ. Genesis says the same thing when it talks about the offspring of the woman (Eve) being the salvation of mankind

Congratulations, you win the first prize in cherry-picking.

Do you seriously think that that whole passage refers to Eve only? Especially in context of the following verses:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Even if you disregard all of that Scripture and insist on treating 1 Timothy 2:12-15 separately (in other words, out of context), do you seriously think that you can defend the position that this passage refers to Eve only?

Look again at the last verse in this passage:

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Look at the word "if." We know what happened to children of Eve. Cain killed his own brother, so he definitely did not continue in faith nor charity nor holiness nor sobriety. Paul knew that, and if he wanted to refer to Eve and Eve only in this passage, he would not have used a conditional sentence. The only reason for him to use a conditional sentence is assuming that he is referring not to a woman who has been dead for thousands of years, but to women living at the same time with him and in later times.

Quod erat demonstrandum, dear.

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

Congratulations, you win the first prize in cherry-picking.

Do you seriously think that that whole passage refers to Eve only? Especially in context of the following verses:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Even if you disregard all of that Scripture and insist on treating 1 Timothy 2:12-15 separately (in other words, out of context), do you seriously think that you can defend the position that this passage refers to Eve only?

Look again at the last verse in this passage:

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Look at the word "if." We know what happened to children of Eve. Cain killed his own brother, so he definitely did not continue in faith nor charity nor holiness nor sobriety. Paul knew that, and if he wanted to refer to Eve and Eve only in this passage, he would not have used a conditional sentence. The only reason for him to use a conditional sentence is assuming that he is referring not to a woman who has been dead for thousands of years, but to women living at the same time with him and in later times.

Quod erat demonstrandum, dear.

All verses about the roles of men and women aren't necessarily in the same context as each other. You're stretching the meanings of those verses quite a bit to claim that women are saved through procreation. Such a ludicrous idea isn't supported by any scripture, and is never clearly stated anywhere. I think if that was such a big issue, it would be explicitly defined (no verse says anything along the lines of "women must procreate for salvation or they'll be damned to Hell").