[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

"The Bible doesn't call it a miracle therefore not a miracle"? Great logic there.

More specifically, it never states that it is a miracle. Making the assumption that it in fact was a miracle without anything else to back it up is dangerous.

Except that's not enough, according to the Bible.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

The thief's previous actions plainly don't live up to that second part, yet he was going to go to Heaven anyway (said Jesus), obviously something happened to allow that to happen. And what do Christians call things that happen with no observable cause? A miracle, even if the Bible doesn't specifically call it that.

Wrong again. That verse clearly refers to people such as the pharisees, who praised God with only their words and not their hearts to make them selves look better. The dying thief had no reason to accept salvation, other than that it must have come from the true faith in his heart.

Since when does God owe you an explanation for anything He does? The Bible says that you wouldn't understand it, even if He deigned to offer you one.

Isaiah 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

I was asking YOU ALL for YOUR explanation. So you're equating my asking you with asking God? My aren't you all full of yourselves!

[Didymus Much]

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More specifically, it never states that it is a miracle...

So all the other miracles in the Bible that don't happen to have people dancing around, yelling, "It's a miracle!!1!!eleven", they aren't miracles? Just normal, everyday, mundane occurrences that happened without reason or cause or against all known physical laws, nope, not miracles at all? Gotcha.

...Making the assumption that it in fact was a miracle without anything else to back it up is dangerous...

Scriptural support for your opinion that assuming something's a miracle when it isn't is "dangerous", please.

...That verse clearly refers to people such as the pharisees...

Where does it say that?

...The dying thief had no reason to accept salvation, other than that it must have come from the true faith in his heart...

So where did this faith come from, all of a sudden?

...So you're equating my asking you with asking God?...

Nice strawman argument. No, it's your DEMANDING an airtight, irrefutable explanation that makes sense to you personally, with the implication that if the True Christians(tm) can't provide you with one, they're wrong. If you already have one (I believe you do), why are you bothering others?

...My aren't you all full of yourselves!

Says the only person in history to truly understand Jesus' message for mankind.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I was referring to Christ's earthly ministry. He never withheld healing or miracles to those around Him, so only saving only one of the criminals hanging right next to Him doesn't fit with His character as presented in the gospels.

To which characteristic in which Gospel are you referring, precisely? The humble, suffering, silent Messiah Mark reveals (Mark 10:18)? The one whose identity is meant to be a secret, even from those who seek the truth (Mark 4:11-12; 7:36)? The one who relies on pagan practices to work His Miracles (like spit and dirt and just the right words spoken in just the right way; Mark 7:32-35)?

Or the characteristics we find in the Gospel of Mark, loyal to the Law, full of helpfulness and keeping the traditions?

Or do you refer to the characteristics we find in the Gospel of Luke, a serine, beatific, hero most at home in a Thomas Kinkade painting, kindly, yet strong and confident?

Or do you perhaps refer to the strong, Chuck Norris like Christ we find in the Gospel of John? These characteristics are not only strong and confident, but unabashedly eager to show the world who's boss (John 6:41; 6:48; 6:51; 8:12; 9:5; 8:23; 11:25; 14:6; 15:1; 8:58; 10:30), taking on the evil Jews wherever they cause trouble John 2:13-16; 8:44; 5:16; 6:41; 7:1-11; 8:52; 8:59). John shares no Birkenstock Jesus. No beatitudes, no sermon on the mount, no sermon on the plain, no suffer the children, no blessed are the meek, no turn the other cheek - no nonsense Jesus, no joking.

Reread the accounts in your personal Bible regarding Christ's agony in the Garden and see how many different characteristics He exhibits (hint, He simultaneously begs God to remove the cup before Him and embraces it eagerly - Matthew 26:39; Luke 22:42; Mark 14:33-36; John 18:11 - but He's omnipotent so He can get away with that). Reread in your personal Bible how many days after His Resurrection He ascended into Heaven (hint; four different times - Mark 16:9-19; Luke 24:1-51; John 20:26; Acts 1:2-3, 9 - and yet He only ascended once, but because He's omnipotent and can get away with that). Then reread the accounts on Calvary and tell me He can't do whatever He damn well pleases, because He's omnipotent and can get away with whatever He wants. I'm not telling you that's the way it was. I wasn't there, so I can't know. I'm just wondering why you put limitations on Christ Jesus.

He isn't in tune to my personal beliefs, I try my best to make them in tune with His. I am wise enough to not take your worthless baiting though. Can we keep this to logical discussions, or is that too much for you?

It's only "worthless baiting" if you refuse to consider the possibility that you're wrong, and that you're only willing to accept that which already passes your logic and morality tests.

[Princess L]

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So all the other miracles in the Bible that don't happen to have people dancing around, yelling, "It's a miracle!!1!!eleven", they aren't miracles? Just normal, everyday, mundane occurrences that happened without reason or cause or against all known physical laws, nope, not miracles at all? Gotcha.

So by your definition, miracles are whatever the heck you want them to be.

Scriptural support for your opinion that assuming something's a miracle when it isn't is "dangerous", please.

Assuming anything without proof is dangerous. Miracles especially because that affects our perception and understanding of God.

Where does it say that?

If you actually read all of the Bible, specifically the gospels, that would be obvious from Jesus's other teachings. The topic of that verse is the same as the parable of the tax collector and the pharisee, in which the pharisee called out in lofty speech (e.g. "Lord, Lord") while the tax collector simply pleaded "God, please have mercy on me, a sinner."

So where did this faith come from, all of a sudden?

That's what makes true faith so special and beautiful. There's no series of melodramatic decisions or reasons, just the lost soul of a fallen sinner grabbing hold of salvation in Christ.

Nice strawman argument. No, it's your DEMANDING an airtight, irrefutable explanation that makes sense to you personally, with the implication that if the True Christians™ can't provide you with one, they're wrong. If you already have one (I believe you do), why are you bothering others?

Oh please, I haven't been asking you hard questions. Is it so much to ask that you stop dodging them and actually answer them clearly? What is your scriptural foundation for saying that God "hates" asexuals? (and no, 1 Timothy 2:15 is not a clear or even direct condemnation of it)

Says the only person in history to truly understand Jesus' message for mankind.

Show me exactly where I said that.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Assuming anything without proof is dangerous.

What do you think FAITH even is?

[Princess L]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

To which characteristic in which Gospel are you referring, precisely? The humble, suffering, silent Messiah Mark reveals (Mark 10:18)? The one whose identity is meant to be a secret, even from those who seek the truth (Mark 4:11-12; 7:36)? The one who relies on pagan practices to work His Miracles (like spit and dirt and just the right words spoken in just the right way; Mark 7:32-35)?

Or the characteristics we find in the Gospel of Mark, loyal to the Law, full of helpfulness and keeping the traditions?

Or do you refer to the characteristics we find in the Gospel of Luke, a serine, beatific, hero most at home in a Thomas Kinkade painting, kindly, yet strong and confident?

Or do you perhaps refer to the strong, Chuck Norris like Christ we find in the Gospel of John? These characteristics are not only strong and confident, but unabashedly eager to show the world who's boss (John 6:41; 6:48; 6:51; 8:12; 9:5; 8:23; 11:25; 14:6; 15:1; 8:58; 10:30), taking on the evil Jews wherever they cause trouble John 2:13-16; 8:44; 5:16; 6:41; 7:1-11; 8:52; 8:59). John shares no Birkenstock Jesus. No beatitudes, no sermon on the mount, no sermon on the plain, no suffer the children, no blessed are the meek, no turn the other cheek - no nonsense Jesus, no joking.

Reread the accounts in your personal Bible regarding Christ's agony in the Garden and see how many different characteristics He exhibits (hint, He simultaneously begs God to remove the cup before Him and embraces it eagerly - Matthew 26:39; Luke 22:42; Mark 14:33-36; John 18:11 - but He's omnipotent so He can get away with that). Reread in your personal Bible how many days after His Resurrection He ascended into Heaven (hint; four different times - Mark 16:9-19; Luke 24:1-51; John 20:26; Acts 1:2-3, 9 - and yet He only ascended once, but because He's omnipotent and can get away with that). Then reread the accounts on Calvary and tell me He can't do whatever He damn well pleases, because He's omnipotent and can get away with whatever He wants. I'm not telling you that's the way it was. I wasn't there, so I can't know. I'm just wondering why you put limitations on Christ Jesus.

The miracles he performed in his earthly ministry.

My gosh you're bad at admitting that I'm super special to Jesus, my BFF, and you're not!

It's only "worthless baiting" if you refuse to consider the possibility that you're wrong, and that you're only willing to accept that which already passes your logic and morality tests.

I'm only human, but Jesus loves me the mostest!

[Princess L]

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What do you think FAITH even is?

Believing and trusting that God will take care of me and that he loves me. I know that God loves me, so I can have faith that he will work everything for my ultimate good, even if I don't know what that means for me. Just like how a child trusts his parent to lead and raise him, even if he doesn't know what that means.

What's your definition?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Believing and trusting that God will take care of me and that he loves me. I know that God loves me, so I can have faith that he will work everything for my ultimate good, even if I don't know what that means for me. Just like how a child trusts his parent to lead and raise him, even if he doesn't know what that means.

What's your definition?

Don't be silly. Using a word in its own definition just means you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know that God loves you because you have no, wait for it... PROOF. You have FAITH that He loves you. You ASSUME that to be true. And you HOPE that He won't toss your whiny ass into the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity.

I guess you're right. In your case, it's dangerous because it's blinded you to the Gospel. Instead, you follow your own little magic spotlight through life that no one else can see but you and you alone because you're so gosh-darned special to Him, whiny butt and all.

[Gay wilson]

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Assexuality is great since i enjoy anal sex.

This type of sexuality helps me and my wife in bed.


If ask who my wife is she is a feminazi bitch.

[Didymus Much]

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Assexuality is great since i enjoy anal sex...

And unless you're trying to justify it with the KJV, no one cares.

...If ask who my wife is she is a feminazi bitch.

Might as well be, she ain't real anyway.

[Princess L]

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Assexuality is great since i enjoy anal sex.

This type of sexuality helps me and my wife in bed.


If ask who my wife is she is a feminazi bitch.

Asexuality and anal sex are opposites, you imbecile.

[Basilissa]

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I do apologize for not posting earlier; unfortunately, I do have a life outside of the internet and cannot be online 24/7.

If salvation is faith + works, then how do you explain the man hanged next to Jesus? He was described as a thief, implying that he was a sinful man, but in those last moments of his life he professed his faith and Christ told him "This day you will be with Me in paradise."

I dunno, how do you explain it in the light of the following verses:

James 2:14-26 (some parts cut out for brevity, but you can read the whole passage here - the cut out verses include specific examples)
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[. . .]
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[. . .]
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[. . .]
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[. . .]
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

In the light of above verses, the miracle suggestion that was provided by Mary and that Didymus fellow seem the most plausible/logical. After all, some passages suggest that it doesn't really matter what we do nor what we believe, because God already decided who will be saved and who will be damned at the beginning of time:

Romans 9:14-18
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

That passage makes even more sense when we consider that sometimes God simply wants to send some people to Hell and clouds their judgement on purpose:

Ezekiel 20:25-26
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The latter passage is especially interesting because if you look closely, you will notice that the wicked ones are damned because "they received not the love of the truth," so God deluded their minds so they'd be damned for good.

From our human point of view, the decision whom God will save and whom He will damn might seem a bit random or even unjust, but what can we do - it is His world, so He gets to create the rules of the game, and we have no other choice but to try to follow them (salvation through faith and works) and hope for the best (salvation through Grace).

What do you think FAITH even is?

Believing and trusting that God will take care of me and that he loves me. I know that God loves me, so I can have faith that he will work everything for my ultimate good, even if I don't know what that means for me. Just like how a child trusts his parent to lead and raise him, even if he doesn't know what that means.

What's your definition?

Let's see what the dictionary says:

1. 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2. 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3. 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

I have highlighted the most pertinent definitions.

As Mary pointed out, you don't know that God loves you; you believe it. You should know that God prefers those who believe without any evidence over those who want some tangible proof:

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I hope that was helpful. I do enjoy the conversation we are having. I will be offline most of the day tomorrow but I will try to post again at night.

[Alvin Moss]

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how do you explain the man hanged next to Jesus?

You have mentioned this hanged man several times. I am thinking it might be useful to point out that he was actually crucified, as was Jesus.


God Bless!

[Princess L]

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I do apologize for not posting earlier; unfortunately, I do have a life outside of the internet and cannot be online 24/7.

Neither can I, life is busy.

I dunno, how do you explain it in the light of the following verses:

James 2:14-26 (some parts cut out for brevity, but you can read the whole passage here - the cut out verses include specific examples)
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[. . .]
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[. . .]
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[. . .]
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[. . .]
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Paul is using "works" to refer to those works that naturally follow from true faith. These are referred to in other passages as "the fruits of the spirit". They're implied as necessary because only true belief would result in such actions. In other words, works such as what Paul is talking about are faith->works=saved, not faith+works=saved

In the light of above verses, the miracle suggestion that was provided by Mary and that Didymus fellow seem the most plausible/logical. After all, some passages suggest that it doesn't really matter what we do nor what we believe, because God already decided who will be saved and who will be damned at the beginning of time:

Romans 9:14-18
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Wrong. Be careful not to confuse God's merciful offer of salvation with belief in it. Those verses point out that not only do we have no power to save ourselves, but also that God is under no obligation to show mercy to us. Christ's death and resurrection opened the door of salvation, but we still have to make the decision to enter it.

That passage makes even more sense when we consider that sometimes God simply wants to send some people to Hell and clouds their judgement on purpose:

Ezekiel 20:25-26
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The latter passage is especially interesting because if you look closely, you will notice that the wicked ones are damned because "they received not the love of the truth," so God deluded their minds so they'd be damned for good.

Wrong again. You're misinterpreting that verse. They didn't receive the love of the truth because they chose not to, and God allowed them to give themselves over to their sinful ways. It's not Him damning or saving us, it's Him choosing whether or not to help us out of our earthly temptations. He may have given them a delusion, but the implication is that they embraced it with open arms. I have personally known people who God gave over to their own sin, but in the end came to know salvation.

From our human point of view, the decision whom God will save and whom He will damn might seem a bit random or even unjust, but what can we do - it is His world, so He gets to create the rules of the game, and we have no other choice but to try to follow them (salvation through faith and works) and hope for the best (salvation through Grace).

You present God as some vengeful deity like the greco-roman gods. Don't slander him with such speech! He may get to make all the rules and serve out justice as he sees fit, but he is still loving toward us and slow to anger.

Let's see what the dictionary says:

1. 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2. 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3. 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

I have highlighted the most pertinent definitions.

Since when is Google a better definition of aspects of Christianity than the Word of God?

As Mary pointed out, you don't know that God loves you; you believe it. You should know that God prefers those who believe without any evidence over those who want some tangible proof:

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I hope that was helpful. I do enjoy the conversation we are having. I will be offline most of the day tomorrow but I will try to post again at night.

Yeah I know I'm not "blessed" in that way, I guess my name isn't the only thing I share with a certain doubtful apostle.

You presume that it is impossible to know that God loves me. I have been through far too many trials in life to believe anything else. Were it not for the love and grace of God, I wouldn't still be here.

[Princess L]

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You have mentioned this hanged man several times. I am thinking it might be useful to point out that he was actually crucified, as was Jesus.


God Bless!

H-a-n-g-e-d o-n a c-r-o-s-s

I'm sure you've heard it stated that way before, it's basically the same thing as saying "crucified"