[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Christians Have a Right to Bully Gay Kids!

Alrighty, there, pal. I'm aware that you don't like what I said, but it's my opinion, and I just wanted to put it out there. Hell, delete it if you want, but as long as some of you have read it, I'm rooting for a least a tad of guilt to set in one of you.

*** potty language removed ***

If you can't conduct yourself in an appropriate manner, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.



Yours in Christ,

Zech

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Christians Have a Right to Bully Gay Kids!

aware that they're a minority and their self-esteem is already low.

I find your remarks inappropriate and offensive. I am a member of an ethnic minority and your presumption that I should have low self esteem is overbearing, arrogant and ill informed.

The Bible does not tell me to "bully" perverts. If you had read Rev. Flint's post - it's #1 - you'd know that the expression is a politically correct construct designed to further the homosexual agenda.

Where does it say that? HERE —> 20 SECONDS INTO THE YOUTUBE CLIP

..but gay rights groups are calling the idea a licence to bully.

Lawmakers disagree. Informing someone of the fact that their abominable lifestyle leads to infinite torment on a never-ending basis does not constitute the bullying myth invented by sodomites as a new way to be precious.

The thing they don't want to hear [the truth] is the thing Christians have a right to tell them. They wanna call it "bullying"? Then that's what's we're free to do. But it is more than just a right. It is an obligation.

Mark 16:15 And he [Jesus] said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
KJV

[Missionary in Sweden]

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When the gay kids grow up and turn straight they'll just be grateful to all the upright Christians who kindly reminded them of the wrongs of their new wicked and sinful path in life.

Kids who bully gay kids should be rewarded by their schools and parents. They're only doing the faglets a favor.

Why don't they think of all the poor defenseless gay children who didn't have schoolmates who stood by them, did what was right and bullied them? I feel sad for any man or woman who continue into adulthood still being confused about the sinfulness of their acts.

Genesis

"And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24
This verse doesn't say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate "Sodomite" with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13
The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5
God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there (See 19:4-5). 19:24-25
"And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
What did Sarah see that disturbed her so much?
Jonathan Kirsch suggests in The Harlot by the Side of the Road that the "play" between Isaac and Ishmael may have been of a sexual nature, noting that the same word is used to describe the behaviour of Ishmael and Isaac as is used in 26:8 to describe Isaac's fondling of Rebekah. 21:9
Leviticus

Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
Deuteronomy

Women are not to wear men's clothing and vice versa -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5
God says not to bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
Ruth

Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Or so say the folks at WouldJesusDiscriminate.org) 1:14
1 Samuel

Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33
1 Kings

"There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations...."
God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24
Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12
Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
Isaiah

"They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!"
The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." 3:9
Daniel

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He'll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37
Luke

Increase your chance of being raptured: Pray to be gay! 17:34-35
John

"There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." Was Jesus gay? 13:23-25
"The disciple standing by, whom he loved" Was Jesus gay? 19:26, 21:20
Romans

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
1 Corinthians

Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
1 Timothy

Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
2 Timothy

Iin the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Fundamentalist say that this refers to homosexuals. 3:3
Jude

God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
Revelation

Are the 144,000 men that are "not defiled by women" homosexuals? Are only gay men to be saved? 14:1-4
"Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city. 22:15

[Missionary in Sweden]

Re: Christians Have a Right to Bully Gay Kids!

Didn't Jesus say treat others as you would have others treat you, or something very similar.
By bullying gay kids you're only sending a message of hate, i dnt agree with it but then again im gay so i have a better scope on what its like to be a young adult in a society where im not accepted.
preach tolerance and love and the word of god and accept people for who they are, just as jesus did

Yes, he did. But he also said gays should be put to death by stoning. So technically the bullies are committing a sin by only bullying the kid. God's command is to kill the little Godless fag.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

[inbred queer]

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I find your remarks inappropriate and offensive. I am a member of an ethnic minority and your presumption that I should have low self esteem is overbearing, arrogant and ill informed.

I never said that because they're a minority, that they have a low self esteem. I said that chances are, they've got a low self esteem along with knowing that they're a minority. I never toed the two together, now did I?

The Bible does not tell me to "bully" perverts. If you had read Rev. Flint's post - it's #1 - you'd know that the expression is a politically correct construct designed to further the homosexual agenda.

You're right, the bible does not say to bully gay people. But you're wrong with your second statement; not only gay people get bullied, therefore why would an anti-bullying legislation only be there to further the homosexual agenda? Plenty of people get bullied for other things; their clothes, their looks, their personality, their religion. Assumptions, huh? Have you ever thought that maybe people who're trying to stop bullying -wait for it, this must be a new concept to you- actually care about other people's well-beings?

Lawmakers disagree. Informing someone of the fact that their abominable lifestyle leads to infinite torment on a never-ending basis does not constitute the bullying myth invented by sodomites as a new way to be precious.

Bullying wasn't invented by gay people. And while you may think it's a fact that if you're gay, then you're going to hell, other people might believe something else. Technically, it hasn't been proven, therefore it isn't a fact. Also, saying to someone, "you're going to hell, fag," isn't the nicest thing ever, and can very well be considered bullying, as the definition for bullying is [I]"To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner." Pretty sure that's overbearing and intimidating.

The thing they don't want to hear [the truth] is the thing Christians have a right to tell them. They wanna call it "bullying"? Then that's what's we're free to do. But it is more than just a right. It is an obligation.

Sure, tell them they're going to hell. Make them feel like shit for having feelings they don't control. Whatever, do what you please. But you don't need to do it in a rude manner, you don't need to hit them, and you certainly don't need to make them feel like an outcast. I know the feeling, it's not nice. Also, I wonder how obligated someone'll feel to remind a gay person that their lifestyle is a sin when they get a restraining order against you for harassment. Hah. Freedom of speech, yeah, but there's such a thing as drawing a line and having decency. There's a difference between telling someone that their lifestyle is wrong in god's eyes, and calling someone a fag and pointing and laughing. Some people really need to learn the difference.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I never said that because they're a minority, that they have a low self esteem. I said that chances are, they've got a low self esteem along with knowing that they're a minority. I never toed the two together, now did I?



You're right, the bible does not say to bully gay people. But you're wrong with your second statement; not only gay people get bullied, therefore why would an anti-bullying legislation only be there to further the homosexual agenda? Plenty of people get bullied for other things; their clothes, their looks, their personality, their religion. Assumptions, huh? Have you ever thought that maybe people who're trying to stop bullying -wait for it, this must be a new concept to you- actually care about other people's well-beings?



Bullying wasn't invented by gay people. And while you may think it's a fact that if you're gay, then you're going to hell, other people might believe something else. Technically, it hasn't been proven, therefore it isn't a fact. Also, saying to someone, "you're going to hell, fag," isn't the nicest thing ever, and can very well be considered bullying, as the definition for bullying is [I]"To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner." Pretty sure that's overbearing and intimidating.



Sure, tell them they're going to hell. Make them feel like shit for having feelings they don't control. Whatever, do what you please. But you don't need to do it in a rude manner, you don't need to hit them, and you certainly don't need to make them feel like an outcast. I know the feeling, it's not nice. Also, I wonder how obligated someone'll feel to remind a gay person that their lifestyle is a sin when they get a restraining order against you for harassment. Hah. Freedom of speech, yeah, but there's such a thing as drawing a line and having decency. There's a difference between telling someone that their lifestyle is wrong in god's eyes, and calling someone a fag and pointing and laughing. Some people really need to learn the difference.

Please explain to me how we are bullying queers when THEY COME HERE.



I'm begging you: please go to your nearest law enforcement agency and ask for a restraining order against Landover Baptist that somehow covers fags who come here of their own volition.



Also: this is your last warning about the language. If you can't control your pathetic outbursts they will be controlled for you.



YiC,

Zech

[inbred queer]

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Please explain to me how we are bullying queers when THEY COME HERE.

I didn't necessarily mean on this forum. I'm sure you've said something to a gay person that couldn't be considered nice in person, am I right? But still, if a kid walks past, say, a gym locker where there's bunch of football players, and starts talking to them like they'd talk to their friends, and then the football players bully the kid - yeah, that could easily demonstrate the forum situation. Although I'm not saying you're bullies, I'm just saying it's possible.

I'm begging you: please go to your nearest law enforcement agency and ask for a restraining order against Landover Baptist that somehow covers fags who come here of their own volition.

I meant in person. If someone were to harass me in person, I'd definitely file for a restraining order. I'm sure you would, too. On the internet, though, it's really not a big deal. Anyone can be a hardcore badass over the internet.

Also: this is your last warning about the language. If you can't control your pathetic outbursts they will be controlled for you.

Alright, I apologize. I'd blame it on the fact that I have ADHD, but you probably don't care so I'll just leave it to rest. I'll stop with my "outbursts", as I'm aware they may seem hurtful.. yeah.

[Redeemed Papist]

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That depends, if the view was widespread and is shrinking there is obviously something flawed with it or people just don't care anymore

You do realise that the idea that something is only true if a lot of people believe it is a well known fallacy, right?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Alright, I apologize. I'd blame it on the fact that I have ADHD, but you probably don't care so I'll just leave it to rest. I'll stop with my "outbursts", as I'm aware they may seem hurtful.. yeah.

The ADHD demons can be successfully beaten out of you by a trained, True Christian therapist...

[inbred queer]

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The ADHD demons can be successfully beaten out of you by a trained, True Christian therapist...

ADHD is a mental disorder, which means it was most likely inherited from my parents, and you can't get rid of it with therapy. The most they can do to help me is medication. It's not even that bad. It's just I tend to say stuff in the heat of the moment (have no filter to my motormouth) and I fidget a lot. That's all. But whatever.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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They don't control it, and don't you think they'd change it and make it easier for themselves if they could?

Hello there my eye jumping friend. The Bible tells us that if Jesus makes you free, which includes setting one free from sin such as rectum obsession, you will be free.

John
8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Under that fact, the homersexural lifestyle choosing individual is guilty of the rejection and of Jesus! Are you a joo or something?

John
8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Thank you for responding to my criticism.

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I never said that because they're a minority, that they have a low self esteem. I said that chances are, they've got a low self esteem along with knowing that they're a minority. I never tied the two together, now did I?

Yes you did. “.Chances are they have low self esteem.” that statement ties the two things together, but it ain't necessarily so - I would NEVER presume ANY minority to have low self esteem. The two things are entirely unconnected. If you don't know that, well it's not my problem.

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You're right, the bible does not say to bully gay people. But you're wrong with your second statement; not only gay people get bullied, therefore why would an anti-bullying legislation only be there to further the homosexual agenda?

Total red herring. Sex perverts CLAIM that they get bullied BY CHRISTIANS but that is a FALSE STATEMENT according to the lawmakers (not me). Say if an ATHEIST bullied a sodomite, that WOULD be bullying because atheists don't believe in hell (they don't believe in anything else either as it happens). It is not the LEGISLATION that's there to further the homosexual agenda it's THE FALSE CLAIMS OF THE ABOMINATIONS THEMSELVES (the false claim being that what Christians do is bullying).

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actually care about other people's well-beings?

It is BECAUSE we care that we try to SAVE THEM from HELL.

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other people might believe something else.

What's that got to do with anything?
HERE IS A LIST OF LOGICAL FALLACIES
THIS ONE'S CALLED A RED HERRING

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"you're going to hell, fag," isn't the nicest thing ever, and can very well be considered bullying

No it can't. YOU might think it's bullying but if you check out previous posts .. .. .. (well if I have to explain it, again, obviously you won't understand, again, so I won't bother).

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the definition for bullying is

Irrelevant appeals attempt to sway the listener with information that,,,is irrelevant to the matter at hand. There are many different types of irrelevant appeal .. . In this case we are not referring to dictionaries but to a legislative body.

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Make them feel like shit for having feelings they don't control

Mr Smyth has already responded to this section but I'll point out that such feelings are an inevitable part of BEING an ABOMINATION

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don't need to make them feel like an outcast.

GOD says they ARE outcasts GOD orders them to be KILLED. Because Christians are compassionate and law abiding we do not actually kill homosexuals. In countries where it's a capital offence obviously they will be executed but God is allowing this opportunity for DELIVERANCE pending Jesus' return when He has PROMISED to kill several billion wretches. Unrepentant sodomites [includes lesbians and zoophiles in case you were considering those options] will be included. That is NOT my OPINION it is what God has revealed in His Inerrant Word.

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Some people really need to learn the difference.

I hope the few tips I've included here will help you on your "journey".

[Missionary in Sweden]

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ADHD is a mental disorder, which means it was most likely inherited from my parents, and you can't get rid of it with therapy. The most they can do to help me is medication. It's not even that bad. It's just I tend to say stuff in the heat of the moment (have no filter to my motormouth) and I fidget a lot. That's all. But whatever.

I hate this whiny liberal rubbish. "It's not my fault, my brain made me do it". Take some responsibility, son.

Just admit that you're just lazy and weak. What you would have needed growing up is a little discipline and plenty of beatings. But it's never too late to ask Jesus for help and guidance. Jesus can give you the strength to regain self control and discipline.

[Rapture Eddie]

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Why do we even allow these Sodomite kids into our schools anyway?
It's disgusting to think that our Christian American children have to share the same classrooms, the same chairs and desks, and worst of all, the restrooms and showers.
Queer kids should be banned from mixing with normal children.

[inbred queer]

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Under that fact, the homesexural lifestyle choosing individual is guilty of the rejection and of Jesus! Are you a joo or something?

Negative, sir. People can be born with chemical imbalances in the brain, they can be born with an improper amount of chromosomes, they can be born with traits that they do not control, etc, which, in turn, means that you're not always born free. If a man glances upon a women and, well, has reactions down south, he's not controlling it. If a man glances upon another man and has the same reaction to straight man looking at a women, he's not controlling it either. They could be perfectly Christian, they could believe in god, they could ignore all the impulses they get to be happy, but that doesn't erase their feelings.

I hate this whiny liberal rubbish. "It's not my fault, my brain made me do it". Take some responsibility, son.

Yes, because all though elementary school, I wanted those teacher/parent conferences in which they discussed my fidgeting, my rambling, and my blurted out answers to questions without raising my hand.

Just admit that you're just lazy and weak. What you would have needed growing up is a little discipline and plenty of beatings. But it's never too late to ask Jesus for help and guidance. Jesus can give you the strength to regain self control and discipline.

My parents didn't think twice before slapping me if I did something bad. I wasn't new to being punished or grounded if I broke rules. But they never punished me for things I couldn't control, for I was diagnosed with ADHD at a young age. Had they flat out beaten me, I'd probably be more of a stuttering, insecure mess than I already am. That's called abuse; it's usually frowned upon in most societies. I don't think I'm lazy or weak at all. It actually takes a lot of effort to keep me mouth shut, I'm awfully proud of myself for sitting through classes everyday without talking unless allowed.

Why do we even allow these Sodomite kids into our schools anyway?

Because we, as a country, are past segregation and discrimination.

It's disgusting to think that our Christian American children have to share the same classrooms, the same chairs and desks, and worst of all, the restrooms and showers.

I couldn't make a really witty, sarcastic, and clever remark to you right now, but I'm already on "my last warning", so I'll have to leave it at this: ignore them. It's really not that hard. What, are gay kids going to get their homosexual germs on a restroom sink and infect other straight children with the gay?

Queer kids should be banned from mixing with normal children.

Unless these children run around making out with other guys right in a place where it wouldn't even be decent for a straight couple to make out, and are flaunting their homosexuality to other kids, which they don't, I don't see a problem. I mean, unless your good Christian children are insecure enough about their sexualities that they have to worry about being turned gay. No, I don't see a problem.