[James Hutchins]

Re: I'm confused

James,

That's quite a response. I'll need to take the time to read them all...

It is nothing compared to the effort God did when He created everything. I am nothing without His Firm Hand.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

It is nothing compared to the effort God did when He created everything. I am nothing without His Firm Hand.

I agree with you on that but, it all, seems so harsh. Do you think I'm cherry picking?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I'm confused

THAT's what I was talking about. I am not sure how you would have Jesus as compassionate and loving of mankind, only to kill everyone including those who believe in him.

I believe in Jesus and I know he loves me. Are you saying he doesn't?

You have it all wrong: Read Luke:19:27 - he will kill those who don't believe in him.

According to Re:9:15: And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Re:9:18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

At the moment, given a world population of 7 billion, we are looking at a body-count of 2.3 billion.

Saving souls is a hard business when there is free will - there are bound to be a few eggs broken, but the reward of everlasting Paradise is worth it.

[James Hutchins]

Re: I'm confused

I agree with you on that but, it all, seems so harsh. Do you think I'm cherry picking?

Yes, you are cherry picking. The Bible is a complete work. You cannot ignore parts. Boo Hoo if it seems harsh. Snap out of it and get with the program. Look what God let the joos do to Jesus,

just so you can sit there smugly.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Yes, you are cherry picking. The Bible is a complete work. You cannot ignore parts. Boo Hoo if it seems harsh. Snap out of it and get with the program. Look what God let the joos do to Jesus,

just so you can sit there smugly.

I guess I can't
Forgive me but didn't the Romans kill Jesus?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: I'm confused

Jesus as compassionate and loving of mankind

Hello Jamal. I can see why you are confused. You have mixed Christianity with mankind. While I agree with you that on only Christians are real people, that is where the difference can be found.

Jesus loves Christians. Others He hate, as already noted in John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"


So fear not, Jesus has infinite love for those who does everything He commands them to do.
GLORY!

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Hello Jamal. I can see why you are confused. You have mixed Christianity with mankind. While I agree with you that on only Christians are real people, that is where the difference can be found.

Jesus loves Christians. Others He hate, as already noted in John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"


So fear not, Jesus has infinite love for those who does everything He commands them to do.
GLORY!

Thank you for that. I'm just struggling with the idea that God would create those who are Christians and those who he would send to hell. I'm trying to make sense of this whole thing.

Oh and I'm Rachel btw

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Oh and I believe in evolution too. Does that make me any less of a Christian?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: I'm confused

Thank you for that. I'm just struggling with the idea that God would create those who are Christians and those who he would send to hell. I'm trying to make sense of this whole thing.

Oh and I'm Rachel btw

The fact you seem to be missing is that of: Free Will. The Lord has given people free will, that they may decide for themselves whether they will achieve salvation. For some, it is too much trouble. Those are consigned to the lake which burns with eternal fire. Those who sincerely seek Jesus will find Him and enjoy eternal life up in Heaven. Why did God institute free will? Who knows? It is not for mere humans to understand the work of the Lord.


So, welcome then, Rachel, if it is salvation you seek.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

The fact you seem to be missing is that of: Free Will. The Lord has given people free will, that they may decide for themselves whether they will achieve salvation. For some, it is too much trouble. Those are consigned to the lake which burns with eternal fire. Those who sincerely seek Jesus will find Him and enjoy eternal life up in Heaven. Why did God institute free will? Who knows? It is not for mere humans to understand the work of the Lord.


So, welcome then, Rachel, if it is salvation you seek.

I seek salvation yes

[Alvin Moss]

Re: I'm confused

Oh and I believe in evolution too. Does that make me any less of a Christian?

Evolution is a lie put forth by the forked tongued devil. Also, you cannot be a Christian and believe in evolution.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Evolution is a lie put forth by the forked tongued devil. Also, you cannot be a Christian and believe in evolution.

Describe evolution

[James Hutchins]

Re: I'm confused

Describe evolution

That is not possible for a True Christian(tm) to do any more than telling a lie is. Like the only way to make a boy fly is to toss them off of a cliff. Neither has a pleasant ending.

[John Creeser]

Re: I'm confused

Describe evolution

There is ZERO evidence in evilution. Genesis has the evidence as seen here in the genealogy. Behold!!

God created everything. Genesis 1–2 0
Adam became the father of Seth at 130. Genesis 5:3 0 + 130 = 130
Seth became the father of Enosh at 105. Genesis 5:6 130 + 105 = 235
Enosh became the father of Kenan at 90. Genesis 5:9 235 + 90 = 325
Cainan became the father of Mahalalel at 70. Genesis 5:12 325 + 70 = 395
Mahalalel became the father of Jared at 65. Genesis 5:15 395 + 65 = 460
Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656

Now we know Jesus came along some 2500 years after the flood. That puts the Earth around 6228 years old.

This is all the evidence you need. It is from God's infallible and inerrant word, and that is absolute!!!

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

That is not possible for a True Christian™ to do any more than telling a lie is. Like the only way to make a boy fly is to toss them off of a cliff. Neither has a pleasant ending.

In other words "you don't know!"

Sorry, my brother is an evolutionary biologist, I get quite protective of it