[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

A Christian must be conservative -- if by conservative you mean someone who strives to conserve and obey God's laws. God revealed His laws to man from about 1,500 B.C. to 100 A.D. They did not change during this time and they have not changed since. God cannot change, and neither can His Word.

Well I wasn't, I was talking about the political conservative belief ie liberal vs conservative

[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

So you deny the Scripture that has been offered to you, repeatedly?

Why is it so hard to understand that 1 John 1:8-10 talks about people before they are Saved - in the context of the verses I quoted?

Or are you trying to imply that the Holy Bible is somehow internally contradictory?

I don't think so - the fact that you keep sinning with lust in your heart shows that you're still on the road to damnation.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Do you never sin? Are you truly sinless? Also, 1 John 5:18 is talking about Jesus, not everyone

No dear, he did not say that you have to be conservative, he was just sorry to burst your liberal bubble. Big difference, there.

Sorry, I did not understand what he meant

[Basilissa]

Re: Hiiii

Do you never sin? Are you truly sinless?

Do you think that God would be so cruel to order me to achieve something impossible to achieve?

Jesus is very clear that He wants all His followers to be perfect and sin free:

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Also, 1 John 5:18 is talking about Jesus, not everyone

Sorry to disappoint you, but "whosoever" implies multiple individuals. We are all children of God (1 John 3:1, John 1:12, 2 Cor 6:18).

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hiiii

Here's an excellent blog post about judging as well
http://baysidechurch.com.au/are-chri...-judge-others/

That post claims Matthew 7:1-5 is a prohibition against condemning others. There are other passages in the Bible where Christians are commanded to judge/ condemn people. Further on in Matthew's Gospel, we are told what to do if an erring "brother" refuses to repent. We are to gather together as God's people, and with the full authority of Jesus in our midst, cast them out of the church. Whatever we bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

Mt 18:15-20
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jn 20:22-23
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

1 Cor 5:1-13
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Mt 10:14-15
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

2 Jn 1:9-11
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Jud 1:22-23
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

I didn't write the blog post, nor do I know the person who wrote it, so maybe take up your complaints with them

[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

Question time: How do I become a True Christian on here?
How do I get badges?
What happens with infractions?
How do I get rid of them?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hiiii

I didn't write the blog post, nor do I know the person who wrote it

No, but you used it to back up your claim that Christians aren't allowed to judge. It's bunk. Instead of relying on others to argue for you, you should read the whole Bible for yourself. Don't just cherry-pick the parts you like and listen to people who tell you what you want to hear.

2 Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You need to be clear in your own mind what God's Word says on everything, and then you will be able to argue with some authority.

[Phil Ander]

Re: Hiiii

Question time: How do I become a True Christian on here?
How do I get badges?
What happens with infractions?
How do I get rid of them?

I was once "Unsaved Trash" I am now a True Christian ™. Believing and following God's Word is a prerequisite for the Department of Faith to consider an upgrade.


Your attitudinal opinions, that you know better than God, are unlikely to advance your case.


Repentance, and acceptance that God and his chosen Servants at Landover have the knowledge and the power to Guide you to Glory is a Journey to take. We are a Loving Church and will be with you on the Journey.


Felicitous Phil

[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

Thank you for answering some my questions. I have a few more. What is the Department of Faith?
How do I apply for an upgrade?
What do you mean by attitudinal opinions?
Also, I have never claimed to know better than God, just that a lot of people on here don't understand his true message.


May God bless you and have a great day

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hiiii

I am probably going to get blocked for this, but here's a different translation of that scripture (pls moderators don't block me I love learning more about different opinions about the scripture)
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.
Take with that what you will

We are aware that other versions give different renderings. But if God's Word is indeed infallible (Jn 10:35) and has been perfectly preserved throughout the ages as He promised (Ps 12:6-7), then only one rendering can be correct. Could you imagine the confusion that would ensue if we couldn't be sure which version was the right one? We could never be sure what God's Word really meant. This is why we use The King James Bible – not a translation but the original! -- the crystal-clear Word of God.

[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

Psalm 12:7Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Notice the word 'shalt' It was a commandment, and it doesn't mean it was followed through. The original bible was written in Hebrew, so all translations are welcome to human error, as God is the only one who makes no mistakes

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hiiii

I am probably going to get blocked for this, but here's a different translation of that scripture (pls moderators don't block me I love learning more about different opinions about the scripture)
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.
Take with that what you will

Dear sinner,

Yes, we can assess this. Let us look at the alternatives. First, the one that we know and cherish, the KJV:

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And your "opinion about the Scripture, the NIV:

2 Peter 1:20
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.

For comparison, let us take the Westcott-Hort, a reliable source of the original utterings in the language that was spoken in ancient Grease:
τοῦτο πρῶτον γινώσκοντες ὅτι πᾶσα προφητεία γραφῆς ἰδίας ἐπιλύσεως οὐ γίνεται,

For your convenience, the words that are necessary for the asseement are in red italics (not in greeks, if you allow the pun ).

The word-by-word translation would be: This is the first of the knowing: that any prophecy (προφητεία ) of the Scripture is not of its (ἰδίας) own interpretation.

1. We can see that unlike in your NIV, the word "prophet" does not appear. (KJV-NIV 1-0)
2. We can also see the word "its" - could it be that this "it" refers to the "prophet" and it would be OK to replace the pronoun with a noun? We'll see.

So, ἰδίας is the pivotal word. It is adjective genitive singular of ἴδιος. Can it mean a "prophet"? Is it a suitable replacement for that word?

It is not.

If it referred to the word prophet, προφήτης, it would have to take the masculine singular genitive form of ἴδιος, which is ἰδίου. Thus, NIV fails (KJV-NIV 2-0). "Its" cannot refer to a prophet. It refers to the word "prophecy". Thus, a suitable proxy for the original would be as follows: This is the first of the knowing: that any prophecy (προφητεία ) of the Scripture is not of the prophecy's (ἰδίας) own interpretation. What the heck does this mean, you might ask. To unravel that, we can look at the next verse, as the sentence actually continues.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

or...
οὐ γὰρ θελήματι ἀνθρώπου ἠνέχθη προφητεία ποτέ, ἀλλὰ ὑπὸ πνεύματος ἁγίου φερόμενοι ἐλάλησαν ἀπὸ θεοῦ ἄνθρωποι. (Still the Westcott-Hort)

As you can see, this means that the prophecy was dictated by the Holy Ghost. The Greek original confirms this (πνεύματος ἁγίου - genitives here). It also means that twisting the prophecy - such as the people producing the NIV have done - is actually work against the Holy Ghost. This means that by accepting the NIV one commits the unforgivable sin (KJV-NIV ∞-0). I really do hope that you still haven't made up your mind to choose that travesty of translation. Perhaps you can still join us first here and then in Heaven!




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hiiii

Psalm 12:7Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Notice the word 'shalt' It was a commandment, and it doesn't mean it was followed through. The original bible was written in Hebrew, so all translations are welcome to human error, as God is the only one who makes no mistakes

"Thou shalt" is often an imperative (or command), but it can also express determination, which is how it's used here. You don't really think King David meant, "Lord, Thou shalt preserve Thy Word!", do you?

But yes, you are correct. The original manuscripts were written in Hebrew and Greek, with small portions of the Old Testament written in Aramaic. These originals no longer exist. But we believe God has preserved His Word because His Word tells us He would.

Ps 12:6-7
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Jn 10:35c And the scripture cannot be broken.

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ps 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

1 Pet 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Humans make mistakes. God doesn't. But if God hasn't found a way of keeping the copyists and translators of His Word from making mistakes, or deliberately distorting it, how can you be sure He is perfect? In fact, it would mean the God of the Bible isn't perfect, because He has broken His Word.

[BiHeathen]

Re: Hiiii

https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-n...vailable-today

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hiiii

Idle attempt to avoid discussing the actual issues

Dear sinner,

Please, make an effort and produce a post of your own where you actually assess the things you've been challenged with instead of referring to extra-Biblical authorities.

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

If you only wish to "discuss" with obscure links, there is a much more valid link that can do better than yours:




Yours in Christ,

Elmer