Introduction

**Basilissa** · 06-14-2018, 09:49 PM

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Dear Christi,

it saddens me to see another person misguided by that Satan's spawn, the Whore of Babylon, also known as the Catholic Church.

The good news is that the fact you singed up here means that deep inside, you are longing for Jesus' conditional love. Yes, He will love you if and only if you abandon that strange polytheistic religion of yours and follow Him instead.

Also, please note that Vulgate is just a translation and quote frankly, not a very good one, especially given the limited sources Jerome had access to. And if you are citing from Nova Vulgata, please note that this revised version is a very recent translation, and a pointless one if you ask me - why would any sane person embark on a mission of translating the Bible to a dead language centuries after translations into spoken languages have been already available?!

Now, if you actually want to impress me with your language skills, you need to start citing the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts. I'm sure that Brothers Elmer White and Pim Pendergrast will be there, helpfully pointing out errors in your interpretations.

Or, we could just all stick to the version in the language all members of this forum know and cite just the KJV Bible.

I hope that was helpful.

**ChristiCrusader** · 06-14-2018, 10:34 PM

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1. The Whore of Babylon is Hillary Clinton, not the Catholic Church

2. The Catholic Church is not polytheistic. Keep in mind that venerating saints is not the same as worshipping them.

3. You claim that St. Jerome had access to "limited sources" and yet you claim to have access to "the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts"? It's actually the other way around. St. Jerome had access to "the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts" and you are the one who has access to "limited sources"

4. The KJV Bible is in English. God's favorite language is Latin. Why else would God's Church have burned William Tyndale at the stake for translating the Bible into English? Clearly God wants the Bible to remain in Latin only.

**Basilissa** · 06-14-2018, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by ChristiCrusader View Post

1. The Whore of Babylon is Hillary Clinton, not the Catholic Church

Remind me, whom has Hillary been whoring around with?

2. The Catholic Church is not polytheistic. Keep in mind that venerating saints is not the same as worshipping them.

There is a fine line, there, and I'm not sure all Catholics see that difference. I've seen many Catholics praying to (worshiping) statues of saints, and even favoring a certain image of St. Mary over another - as if they were different goddesses. (For example, preferring to pray to Our Lady of Perpetual Help over the one from Guadalupe, because the former is perceived as more eager to respond to prayers). While one of your popes (was it John XXIII? I forgot) did quite a good job trying to get rid of saints that are simply new incarnations of pagan gods and goddesses, he definitely did not eliminate them all - last I knew, St. Patrick and St. Brigitte were still considered saints.

And that mess with all of the images of St. Mary, it's a real mess. I've seen St. Mary of one kind (it happened to be the one from Częstochowa) visiting a different St. Mary in another parish. Both images involved in the visit were recent copies - the original image of Częstochowa never leaves the church, and the local parish featured a modern-times painted copy of Perpetual Help - yet everyone involved was deeply moved by the visit of one Mary by another. Even though both images were supposed to represent the same Mary mother of Jesus, each holding the same Baby Jesus.

I was twelve at the time, and that was the first time I began to scratch my head looking for inner logic of Catholicism - and not finding it.

3. You claim that St. Jerome had access to "limited sources" and yet you claim to have access to "the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts"? It's actually the other way around. St. Jerome had access to "the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts" and you are the one who has access to "limited sources"

This is an interesting view. Are you suggesting Jerome had online access via Google search and international interlibrary loan to all available versions of the Bible at the time? Also, did he have a degree in comparative linguistics allowing him to comprehend the nuances of Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek idioms?

4. The KJV Bible is in English.

Yes. It also happens to be the language commonly used on this forum. Which makes it more logical to use the English translation rather than the Latin translation. Quod erat demonstrandum.

God's favorite language is Latin.

Please support your view with appropriate passage from the Bible.

Why else would God's Church have burned William Tyndale at the stake for translating the Bible into English?

You need to prove that Catholic church has remained to be God's Church, despite going against most of God's Commandments.

Like the second one:

Exodus 24:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Clearly God wants the Bible to remain in Latin only.

Are you suggesting that God is inept? Because nowadays the Bible has been translated to most spoken languages, and nobody has been burned for it in a long while.

Example:

Matt 10:34-36 Jesús laycu jaljtañjjata
(Lc 12.51-53; 14.26-27)
34 “Janiy amuyapjjamti, nayajj acapachar sumancañ churiris jutquirista uqhamjja. Chekpachansa janiw sumancañjja apancti, jan ucasti jan walt'ayasiñanacacwa apantjja.
35 Jakeru awquipampi pitthapiriw jutta, phucharusti taycapampi, yojjch'arusti taycch'impi;
36 uqhamata maynit maynicama familpachan uñisisiñajj utjañapataqui.

And sure, we can keep playing this game - you citing the Bible in a dead language, and I citing the Bible in different living languages.

But, why should we do that, given that we do have a perfectly written version that is easily understandable for everyone involved?

**Didymus Much** · 06-14-2018, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by ChristiCrusader View Post

1. The Whore of Babylon is Hillary Clinton, not the Catholic Church...

You neglected to call her "Crooked". Points deducted.

...2. The Catholic Church is not polytheistic. Keep in mind that venerating saints is not the same as worshipping them...

Your attempted redefinition of words is a common tactic among visitors here, and will meet the same yawns as the rest have. Points deducted.

...3. You claim that St. Jerome had access to "limited sources" and yet you claim to have access to "the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts"? It's actually the other way around. St. Jerome had access to "the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts" and you are the one who has access to "limited sources"...

Absent evidence, that argument is on the same level as, "I'm not stupid, you are". Points deducted.

...4. The KJV Bible is in English. God's favorite language is Latin. Why else would God's Church have burned William Tyndale at the stake for translating the Bible into English? Clearly God wants the Bible to remain in Latin only.

"Remain" in Latin? It was only put into Latin so stupid Romans could understand it. They then mangled it for their own purposes, because that's what you do when you're trying to rule the world. Any possible points remaining, deducted.

**MitzaLizalor** · 06-15-2018, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by ChristiCrusader View Post

Hi everyone,

I attend the Holy Cross Armenian Catholic Church in Belmont, Massachusetts

My favorite Bible passage is Markk12:28-34 (I only quote the Bible in Latin because some bloke named William Tyndale was burned at the stake in the 15th century for translating it to English)

28 et accessit unus de scribis qui audierat illos conquirentes et videns quoniam bene illis responderit interrogavit eum quod esset primum omnium mandatum
29 Iesus autem respondit ei quia primum omnium mandatum est audi Israhel Dominus Deus noster Deus unus est
30 et diliges Dominum Deum tuum ex toto corde tuo et ex tota anima tua et ex tota mente tua et ex tota virtute tua hoc est primum mandatum
31 secundum autem simile illi diliges proximum tuum tamquam te ipsum maius horum aliud mandatum non est
32 et ait illi scriba bene magister in veritate dixisti quia unus est et non est alius praeter eum
33 et ut diligatur ex toto corde et ex toto intellectu et ex tota anima et ex tota fortitudine et diligere proximum tamquam se ipsum maius est omnibus holocaustomatibus et sacrificiis
34 Iesus autem videns quod sapienter respondisset dixit illi non es longe a regno Dei et nemo iam audebat eum interrogare

I don't think I can point to one, particular time in my life when I "came to find Jesus" - I was born, baptized, and raised Catholic all my life. It's not like I'm a convert or anything like that.

Anyways, I decided to join this forum because I was curious about the particular flavor of Protestantism that you people promote here.

Hello. How's the introduction going? I'm not sure about the "Armenian Catholic Church" as mentioned. Is it Roman catholicism with an Armenian theme or is there a distinct form of catholicism calling itself Armenian Catholic? I've heard about different types of catholic not aligned with Rome, similar to different types of orthodox such as Greek, Russian, Ukrainian and so on.

I'm also curious how you account for God not writing The Bible in Latin if it's His preferred language? So two small points it should be easy to clarify.

ML

**Elmer G. White** · 06-15-2018, 05:45 AM

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Dear Catholic,

Do you think that the Bible has important messages to tell us? Do you think that Jesus Christ is actually instrumental when it comes to Salvation®. If yes, you do need to escape from your cult asap. You see, the Catholic Doctrine has abandoned all that. Your cult now teaches that instead of Saving Believers, there is now an expressway to Heaven via*:

...atheist salvation (Catholics don't have to believe anything and you still can go into Heaven; Jesus disagrees also as translated into your vernacular for easy reading: "...qui autem non credit, jam judicatus est: quia non credit in nomine unigeniti Filii Dei.").
...Muslim and Jew salvation (you can deny the Trinity and the Divine Nature of Christ and still go into heaven; Jesus disagrees: "...Nemo venit ad Patrem, nisi per me.").
...evolution (you can disregard the Fall ["Vidit igitur mulier quod bonum esset lignum ad vescendum, et pulchrum oculis, aspectuque delectabile: et tulit de fructu illius, et comedit: deditque viro suo, qui comedit."] and the Flood and the need to reconciliation, i.e., Jesus CHRIST; He disagrees, e.g., "...ut omnis qui credit in ipsum, non pereat, sed habeat vitam æternam.").

What exactly does your cult say about being Saved?

The above examples show that Jesus is not among the prerequisites, nor is the Bible, as the Bible actually does say that you need Jesus! What is left except becoming a Muslim or an atheist? Looking forward to your educated answers after you've contemplated upon the verses I cited in the Vulgar.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

*Please check also the references. They're all from either your catechism or your leader.

**Ezekiel Bathfire** · 06-15-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by ChristiCrusader View Post

28 et accessit unus de scribis qui [...] eum interrogare

God did not approve of Latin and, in the same way that he did not approve of dinosaurs, He smote it.

The Catholic Church under the influence of Satan insisted on Latin purely to annoy God. God's patience on the matter was eventually exhausted and He responded by inspiring King James to write the real Bible.

**James Hutchins** · 06-15-2018, 02:29 PM

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Welcome friend. I am deeply saddened to hear of your life being sodomized by a turnstile of kiddy fiddling priests. I can only imagine how you now associate the word 'rectory' with your rectum, every time you defecate , you pray to God that some of the catlick demon seed sprayed way down deep inside is ejected.

Usually, the best way to stop the nightmares is to talk about it in excruciating detail. I understand if you do not want the entire world non-queersexual people to hear your sordid tale. You are welcome to PM me or send a email to a senior pastor. If you have photos, please include them, a picture is worth a thousand words.

I'll be thinking about you all day.

**BrotherLarry** · 06-15-2018, 03:08 PM

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I am thrilled to welcome you to the friendliest spot on the Interwebs. First permit me to introduce myself to you, friend.

I am BrotherLarry, a young, handsome, intelligent, well-built certified equine gnathologist. One day I will care for the stallions of the Savior behind Heaven's Gates. I have many talents, including singing, song writing, poetry, and interpreting the many visions that Christ sends to me to edify the church. Why has God favored me? It has nothing to do with me. It all has to do with the Greatness of the Creator and His obviously good choices.

It may interest you to know that I was a slave to the Vatican for many years. My parents remain in their spidery web, believing that popes are successors to Peter, ordained by God Himself, despite years of evidence of the sinfulness that the papal office has exhibited. Corruption seems to reach its pinnacle when you wear a pointy hat. Even Christ's Peter fell at times. He denied Christ three times. A cock screamed out each time. The concept of infallibility regarding spiritual matters fails, then. The abhorrent behavior of many sitting on the papal commode is enough to turn me away from ever considering catholicity as a fallback should I renounce Jesus. (I got news for you, devil - it isn't going to happen!)

With all the sects and divisions of the catholic church, there is no true tradition passed down - something catechists love to belch about - and there is no getting around the fact that sola scriptura is mentioned in the scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It doesn't say anything about being sure you add what Aunt Susie told you about crossing yourself when you enter the sanctuary and don't forget to dab yourself with holy water - because Cousin Jimmy swore it healed his jock itch one summer.

I praise GOD that I worship a Savior (not his mom) who loved me enough to provide a book where I can find all the answers - The KJV Holy Bible. Oh, I was blinded as you are for many years, but thanks to this forum, I overcame my misguided beliefs. I burned all the statuary and catechisms and holy cards. I threw out my rosaries (I had 230) and medals. I melted my baptism candle. Why? Because all I need is the Blood, the PRECIOUS Blood of Jesus. Nothing more will save me and nothing less will do. Oh, Glory!

I will add you to my prayer list. Please give the things you'll read in these forums every consideration. Don't be stubborn or bullheaded about what you've been taught. It takes a journey to find truth. Surely God has led you to this place as a part of your journey. Don't close that door, friend. Bask in our friendliness while you learn of the TRUTH about Christianity.

GLORY! PRAISE GOD!
BrotherLarry
Rev. 22:12

**ChristiCrusader** · 06-16-2018, 01:42 AM

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1. Crooked Hillary has been whoring around with Lucifer

2. St. Patrick and St. Brigitte are not pagan gods and goddesses. What ever gave you that idea?

3. The different images or icons of St. Mary are merely different windows to the same heaven. Anyone claiming to be Catholic and yet not understanding this is not a True Catholic™

4. St. Jerome was moves by the "Spiritu Sancto" - King James was not

5. Neither icons nor statues are graves images. This can easily be seen from Exodus 25:18

6. Unfortunately there are no more Christian nations left to carry out God's will and burn Bible translators at the stake

7. Just because the Pope is infallible, that does not mean he is sinless

8. Sola Scriptura is clearly NOT Biblical, as can be seen by 2 Thessalonians 2:15

9. Protestant clergy are actually more likely to sexually abuse children than Catholic priests

10. I don't believe in salvation for adult athiests, Muslims, and Jews who have sufficient knowledge about Catholicism and yet refuse to convert

11. I don't believe in evilution

12. The "Armenian Catholic Church" is the "Armenian rite" of the "Roman Catholic Church" - we are fully aligned with Rome and subject to the Roman Pontiff

**Elmer G. White** · 06-16-2018, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by ChristiCrusader View Post

1. Crooked Hillary has been whoring around with Lucifer

This is obviously highly likely but as True Christian™ people immersed in the study of Creation Science we are also unbiased. Therefore, this claim needs to be backed up with proof - anecdotal personal authority-based assertions are not enough. Please provide a reference preferably of pictorial kind. Not photo shopped.

2. St. Patrick and St. Brigitte are not pagan gods and goddesses. What ever gave you that idea?

Patrick, the patron "Saint" of Nigeria is the product of syncretism. His "deeds" are an amalgamate of pagan deities and myths even if there could have been an actual person behind the stories. This person was not perhaps a pagan god but the snake-and-hillside lore surrounding him (if he ever existed) is just a re-writing a pagan fairytales, such as the Irish sídhe (fairies not of the gay kind presumably) and a heathen goddess.

"This process is one of blending of two religious cosmologies in thegeo-physical space of the land of Ireland itself."
...
The legend of St Patrick climbing of Croagh Patrick also contain the motif of his torment by black birds as he tried to pray. In fact, the black bird or crow refers to the form taken by the shape-shifting Celtic war-goddess 'the Morrígan' in Irish mythology.

3. The different images or icons of St. Mary are merely different windows to the same heaven. Anyone claiming to be Catholic and yet not understanding this is not a True Catholic™

Let us see what your Catechism tells us about your cult's attitudes towards Mary who became pregnant out of wedlock:

This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation...

Really?! Mary is the one who brings Salvation®?? Let us see what the Bible says about that, again, in the dead language for your easy understanding: "hic autem eo quod maneat in æternum, sempiternum habet sacerdotium. Unde et salvare in perpetuum potest accedentes per semetipsum ad Deum..." How do you twist that into the Catechism of Mary "bringing Salvation"?

4. St. Jerome was moves [

]by the "Spiritu Sancto" - King James was not

"Moved" (FTFY) First, why use the ablative when placing the Latin nouns in an American sentence? I'd use just the nominative as the oblique case became obsolete already in Middle English.

Second, if Jerome only channeled the Holy Spirit, why was it necessary to edit the Vulgate several times (Clementine/New/Gutenberg/Stuttgart)? Did the Holy Spirit not get it right in the first place. I am sorry but your reply is very close to "Spiritus autem blasphemia non remittetur".

5. Neither icons nor statues are graves images. This can easily be seen from Exodus 25:18

Please read the entire Book of Exodus. Icons and statues are likenesses.
Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

6. Unfortunately there are no more Christian nations left to carry out God's will and burn Bible translators at the stake

Certainly, it is God who is the one to use this form of punishment if necessary because of Romans 13:1. Do you also agree that offering incence is a sin of a similar kind?

Numbers 16:35
And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.

7. Just because the Pope is infallible, that does not mean he is sinless

We know very well that the Pope is not sinless. We are!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

8. Sola Scriptura is clearly NOT Biblical, as can be seen by 2 Thessalonians 2:15

"Ipse autem respondens ait illis: Quare et vos transgredimini mandatum Dei propter traditionem vestram?"

9. Protestant clergy are actually more likely to sexually abuse children than Catholic priests

We do know that all Churches beyond our own are badly corrupted. In addition, this claim is just a fallacy called "Two wrongs make a right". Even if Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists and other false Christians abuse children, the constant boy-rape by Catholic priests is still abominable. This kind of fallacy (that is, really, really bad and illogical argumentation) is also called "moral equivalencey". It is totally different from President Trump's utterings when he referred to the North Korean crimes against humanity by stating that other nations have also erred. This is because of Matthew 5:48 that is not about nations but people, and all false Christian priests are (probably) people.

10. I don't believe in salvation for adult athiests, Muslims, and Jews who have sufficient knowledge about Catholicism and yet refuse to convert

Good for you. Your Catechism does, however. In fact. This is excellent news and it means that you are not really a Catholic, which is cool. The Catechism does not specify any "sufficient knowledge" nor does your Pope. By adding your own definitions to your doctrine you are no longer a Catholic. Which is cool. Not enough for Salvation, though.

11. I don't believe in evilution

Good for you. Your Pope does, however. In fact. This is excellent news and it means that you are not really a Catholic, which is cool.

12. The "Armenian Catholic Church" is the "Armenian rite" of the "Roman Catholic Church" - we are fully aligned with Rome and subject to the Roman Pontiff

You cannot be if you don't believe in Salvation™ for those who are ignorant of Jesus! Which is cool.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

**Basilissa** · 06-16-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post

Hello. How's the introduction going? I'm not sure about the "Armenian Catholic Church" as mentioned. Is it Roman catholicism with an Armenian theme or is there a distinct form of catholicism calling itself Armenian Catholic? I've heard about different types of catholic not aligned with Rome, similar to different types of orthodox such as Greek, Russian, Ukrainian and so on.

I can reassure you, Sister Mitza, that whatever denomination this person really is (I think Dr. White has eloquently demonstrated he/she/it is not even a Catholic), they are not Orthodox - I know enough Orthodox people to know they are not fond of neither the Pope nor Latin.

Originally posted by ChristiCrusader View Post

1. Crooked Hillary has been whoring around with Lucifer

While this statement would be difficult to prove, it is the most believable part of your post.

2. St. Patrick and St. Brigitte are not pagan gods and goddesses. What ever gave you that idea?

Dr. White already covered "St" Patrick, and here is a short entry covering the goddess Brigid from whom St. Brigitte is derived.

While we're at it, let me blow your mind by stating that Virgen de Guadalupe is indeed a pagan goddess as well - as noted already in the Colonial times by a Spanish priest:

At this place [Tepeyac], [the Indians] had a temple dedicated to the mother of the gods, whom they called Tonantzin, which means Our Mother. There they performed many sacrifices in honor of this goddess...And now that a church of Our Lady of Guadalupe is built there, they also call her Tonantzin, being motivated by the preachers who called Our Lady, the Mother of God, Tonantzin. It is not known for certain where the beginning of this Tonantzin may have originated, but this we know for certain, that, from its first usage, the word means that ancient Tonantzin. And it is something that should be remedied, for the correct [native] name of the Mother of God, Holy Mary, is not Tonantzin, but Dios inantzin. It appears to be a Satanic invention to cloak idolatry under the confusion of this name, Tonantzin.

Source: Bernardino de Sahagún cited in Lee, Yongho Francis, "Our Lady of Guadalupe in Bernardino de Sahagún’s Historia general de las cosas de Nueva España." New Frontiers in Guadalupan Studies (2014): 1-18, p. 10.

3. The different images or icons of St. Mary are merely different windows to the same heaven. Anyone claiming to be Catholic and yet not understanding this is not a True Catholic™

Your division between "true" and "not true" Catholics is innovative, but I don't see Catholic church following it any time soon. The priests have too much revenue and other advantages from marrying, baptizing, and sexually abusing those whom you call "not true" Catholics.

And you would be amazed to know what some of the Catholics believe. The belief the Holy Trinity is composed of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, did not surprise me much (after all, it'd be impossible to require peasants to understand the difference between the Holy Trinity and the Holy Family); however, in some areas of Eastern/Central Europe you'll find people convinced that Joseph was not even part of that picture, and that the Trinity is composed of Jesus, Mary, and... St. Nicolas.

(That's because St. Nicolas is the Eastern European Catholic disguise for the ancient Slavic god Veles).

And changing the continents, in many areas of South America the most popular saints are Mary and Jacob - for the simple reason that they are equated with the pagan goddess Mother Earth and god of thunder, respectively.

5. Neither icons nor statues are graves images. This can easily be seen from Exodus 25:18

Please do find me a Biblical reference in which Israelites were bowing before Cherub images, or any other images, and where such behavior was applauded by God.

6. Unfortunately there are no more Christian nations left to carry out God's will and burn Bible translators at the stake

Which begs the question, do you think that God is inept?
Please answer carefully, as you are hovering dangerously close to blasphemy.

7. Just because the Pope is infallible, that does not mean he is sinless

This is an interesting mental exercise. Let's follow it through:

A. Infallible = always right = never wrong = never erring
B. sin = error = wrong
therefore =>
C. sinless = never wrong

As you can clearly see, A = B
and there is no logical possibility for A =/= B

10. I don't believe in salvation for adult athiests, Muslims, and Jews who have sufficient knowledge about Catholicism and yet refuse to convert

11. I don't believe in evilution

Great! That means you do not follow the Catholic faith and you are much closer to accepting Baptist view of the world than you think!

**ChristiCrusader** · 06-16-2018, 08:56 PM

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Not all Catholics believe in evilution. Take a look at the Kolbe Center, for example:

<<<Link to a cult site removed by a helpful moderator>>>

The Athanasian Creed also refutes the lie that Non-Trinitarians can be saved

Oh and here is your proof:

**James Hutchins** · 06-16-2018, 09:12 PM

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Friend, you post a lot of easily refuted gibberish yet you make no mention of where the priest touched you. You know, having Jesus sidled up to you is not what a priest does. Jesus makes you feel better for all of eternity, a priest just provides temporary relief. Stop the one night stands and stand erect for God!

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