[Basilissa]

Re: Introduction

Not all Catholics believe in evilution. Take a look at the Kolbe Center, for example:

<<<Link to a cult site removed by a helpful moderator>>>

Well, if a website claiming to be Catholic declares that a long line of popes (starting with Pius XII, at least) is wrong, is that site still Catholic?

The Athanasian Creed also refutes the lie that Non-Trinitarians can be saved

So you are saying, again, that popes are not infallible. Which, again, shows that you, sweetie, are no Catholic.

Oh and here is your proof:

Thank you for providing a poorly made Photoshop of something we actually do not disagree on. You get an A for effort!

You really need to accept Jesus into your heart. You have already rejected several tenants of Catholic faith - what's stopping you from taking the plunge from the Catholic heresy into the loving embrace of Jesus?

I will pray for you.

Also, since you are not addressing the pagan saints issue, I assume you agree now that Catholicism is polytheistic and breaks the Second Commandment (the one about graven images - educate yourself). Repent while you can, sinner!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Hi everyone,
I attend the Holy Cross Armenian Catholic Church in Belmont, Massachusetts

Why?

I did not think it was possible to mix Armenianism and Catholicism - Armenianism is the poor relation of Lutherism.

[ChristiCrusader]

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Popes are only infallible when they speak ex cathedra. Not a single Pope has spoken ex cathedra saying that Catholics must believe in evilution, or salvation for Non-Trinitarians

As far as the whole "pagan saints" thing goes - keep in mind that the devil could have copied Saint Brigid from the future in an attempt to mock her with the pagan goddess Brigid


In much the same way that Tertullian, a Church Father, wrote the following about similarities between Christianity and Mithraism:


"The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstances of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins from the Sacred Fount, and thereby initiates them into the religion of Mithras. Thus he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copies certain things of those that be Divine."

[Elmer G. White]

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Popes are only infallible when they speak ex cathedra. Not a single Pope has spoken ex cathedra saying that Catholics must believe in evilution, or salvation for Non-Trinitarians.

Dear sinner,

The issues of evolution or Salvation without Faith in Jesus Christ do not actually derive from any particular Pope. They are embedded within the Catholic Catechism. It's not an ex cathedra order by any one man but a product of the whole freak show that is called the Catholic cult. It proclaims itself to contain the things that are important in your doctrine, faith and morality, as follows:

11 This catechism aims at presenting an organic synthesis of the essential and fundamental contents of Catholic doctrine, as regards both faith and morals, in the light of the Second Vatican Council and the whole of the Church's Tradition. Its principal sources are the Sacred Scriptures, the Fathers of the Church, the liturgy, and the Church's Magisterium. It is intended to serve "as a point of reference for the catechisms or compendia that are composed in the various countries"

Let us see what it tells us about evolution.

283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man.

It states that the Bible is not enough, that secular science has corrected the Bible and supplemented it. It admits that scientists would be better at calculating the age of the universe (they can apparently count to 13.5 billion but the Bible only to 6500) than God. It also refers to evolution, the development of life-forms, not to Creation according to their own kind (i.e., immutable).

Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

We are aware of the rationes seminales by Augustine and we know your Tertullian. Did you know that during the ancient time his name was actually Tertullianus. No surprise there. But unto the denial of Jesus as a necessary tool for Salvation™. Unsurprisingly, this was also not proclaimed by any single Pope but it is also in your Catechism.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Here your Church states that it is enough to believe in one Creator and zapp, off you go into Heaven. It also states that Muslims would be in the first place when it comes to Salvation®. Not after Christians but ahead of them. In this single passage your Church claims that Salvation is easier for those who do not accept Jesus.

No Single Pope. Your Councils, curias etc. Your whole doctrine. Blasphemy.

As far as the whole "pagan saints" thing goes - keep in mind that the devil could have copied Saint Brigid from the future in an attempt to mock her with the pagan goddess Brigid

In much the same way that Tertullian, a Church Father, wrote the following about similarities between Christianity and Mithraism:

"The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstances of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins from the Sacred Fount, and thereby initiates them into the religion of Mithras. Thus he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copies certain things of those that be Divine."

After looking at your Catechism, it is unlikely that anyone would be flabbergasted in joy about anything that your "Church Fathers" said. Their very title is in contradiction to the Bible.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Obviously, it is an interesting question if Satan knows the Future. If he really knew it, then any reasonable demon, such as Satan, should come to his senses and Repent® as his fate is going to be dismal.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Is that going to happen? Yes, it is, because it is in the infallible Bible. Does the Devil know it? Perhaps intellectually, as deducted from another nice verse as follows:

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Thus, Satan has some knowledge of his fate, but it seems fragmented. He will know he has but a short time but he still acts against his interest as if he didn't really believe in the Bible. Which means that he cannot really comprehend the future. He only nows it from the Bible and does not really see what his True® punishment will be without parole.

The same goes for the Catholic doctrine. Both you and Satan are the victims of the same phenomenon, the one that God has deserved to those to oppose Him. He sends them deeper and further into the tangled web of secularism, predictions, repeatable studies, non-Trinitarianism, evolution, etc., etc...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You are simply under a delusion. Jesus (as we teach Him) is your Way out!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[BrotherLarry]

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We have been kind and loving in an attempt to show you the lie that is the catholic church. God is the source of ALL truth and His Son is the THE ONLY WAY to Heaven. (Remember "I am the way, the truth and the life?") It's even in YOUR Bible.


The pope is a man just like I am. However, I was smart enough to trust in Jesus and come out of the whore of Babylon, no matter how much the church enticed me to stay.


Face it: the pope is antichrist and you're headed for Hell IF you remain within the clutches of his liberal and tainted teachings. All it takes to find Salvation(R) is accepting that Christ died for you, believing in His Divinity, following the KJV1611 in its entirety, going to church every Sunday, praying daily, reading God's Word faithfully, and tithing to a good church - meaning a Baptist Church.


I've lived it, friend. What better witness do you need?

[ChristiCrusader]

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The Catholic Church has several Catechisms, none of which are infallible. The Athanasian Creed, however, is infallible and it very clearly refutes the lie of salvation for Non-Trinitarians.

Moreover, Pope Pius XII addressed polygenism in his 1950 encyclical Humani Generis. Since most evilutionists deny the fact that Adam and Eve really lived, and that all human beings who ever lived are their descendants, this makes them polygenists (believers in several Adams and Eves) and thus their views are not compatible with infallible Catholic teaching.

[James Hutchins]

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Quite frankly, I am deeply offended I have been ignored. I've extended a hand and a hearty hug in the spirit of True Christian(tm) friendship only to have my advances rebuffed.

[BrotherLarry]

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Quite frankly, I am deeply offended I have been ignored. I've extended a hand and a hearty hug in the spirit of True Christian™ friendship only to have my advances rebuffed.

I know I would never rebuff your advances, Brother Jim. For someone to do so is just - well, wrong. Take heart in the fact that it was an outsider who did so and not one of the many here who think of you all the time.

[BrotherLarry]

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The Catholic Church has several Catechisms, none of which are infallible. The Athanasian Creed, however, is infallible and it very clearly refutes the lie of salvation for Non-Trinitarians.

Moreover, Pope Pius XII addressed polygenism in his 1950 encyclical Humani Generis. Since most evilutionists deny the fact that Adam and Eve really lived, and that all human beings who ever lived are their descendants, this makes them polygenists (believers in several Adams and Eves) and thus their views are not compatible with infallible Catholic teaching.

I recommend the research of your Adam and Eve. Many catholic apologists proclaim that the first couple are a "concept" or "allegory" and not the true first man and woman. Others are more strict and consider Eve the "first eve" with Mary being the second eve." Nonsense. Eve was the first and only EVE and Mary was the first and only Mary, in the sense that she was the Mother of Jesus.


The Athanasian Creed was declared infallible by whom? (I know - but do you?) Hint: It wasn't Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God.


Come out of her, woman! The only hail mary that means anything is the pass that makes the game at the last minute. Jesus is my touchdown and God is my goalpost. The Holy Spirit makes my playbook and HEAVEN is my someday home where I will have a mansion next door to my Lord. No purgatory, no in-between. Christ made me worthy to see Jesus the moment I pass into Glory.


He's coming SOON (Rev. 22:12), so don't tarry!

[Basilissa]

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Popes are only infallible when they speak ex cathedra. Not a single Pope has spoken ex cathedra saying that Catholics must believe in evilution,

If anyone ever told you to believe in evolution, that person had no idea what they were talking about. Science is about evidence, not belief.

Nonetheless, more than one pope discussed validity of the scientific method and scientific findings - including evolution. In this regard, wasn't John Paul II speaking ex cathedra when he was addressing the Pontifical Academy of Sciences?

In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points...
4. Taking into account the scientific research of the era, and also the proper requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis treated the doctrine of "evolutionism" as a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and serious study, alongside the opposite hypothesis...
Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis.* In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.

And here is the problem - acknowledging scientific evidence led pope John Paul II astray and away from the Holy Bible. He failed to realize that God created scientific evidence to lead people to Hell.

As far as the whole "pagan saints" thing goes - keep in mind that the devil could have copied Saint Brigid from the future in an attempt to mock her with the pagan goddess Brigid

If you think that Satan made pagans pre-steal most of Catholic gods, I mean, saints, then you must admit that Satan was quite successful in using that tactic to pollute Catholicism with non-Christian, purely pagan beliefs and practices.

In much the same way that Tertullian, a Church Father, wrote the following about similarities between Christianity and Mithraism:

"The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstances of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins from the Sacred Fount, and thereby initiates them into the religion of Mithras. Thus he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copies certain things of those that be Divine."

That, actually, is an excellent example of Catholicism and a pagan religion mutually plagiarizing themselves, as they were competing for believers. Great marketing move - nonetheless, I would argue that copying from pagan religions cheapened the Catholic product.

Moreover, Pope Pius XII addressed polygenism in his 1950 encyclical Humani Generis. Since most evilutionists deny the fact that Adam and Eve really lived, and that all human beings who ever lived are their descendants, this makes them polygenists (believers in several Adams and Eves) and thus their views are not compatible with infallible Catholic teaching.

Instead of throwing random words around, it's usually useful to research them first. What you wrote makes no sense and has no relation to modern theory of evolution - polygenism has been debunked a hundred years ago. The debates of human evolution today center more on issues of lumping and splitting, and out-of-Africa vs. multiregional evolution. You could try to argue that multiregional evolution echoes polygenism... except that it really doesn't, as it assumes constant gene flow between all strands.

Now, here at Landover Baptist church, we know that discussing evolution on scientific grounds is pointless. All that scientsy evidence only leads to damnation. So instead of engaging in discussions about subjects you don't understand, you should reject the Catholic heresy, accept Jesus as your Savior, and trust the Bible and only the Bible.

[Elmer G. White]

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The Catholic Church has several Catechisms, none of which are infallible. The Athanasian Creed, however, is infallible and it very clearly refutes the lie of salvation for Non-Trinitarians.

Dear suinner,

Based on your posts on this (God's Favorite) Forum it is becoming clear that you do not accept or share the dogma that is distributed by the elders of your cult. Which is totally cool. However, this begs the question, what is your point in remaining a Catholic? The Vatican spends 126 million € a year for its personnel, the main function of which is to support the "Holy See" in its activities, which consist of producing material that you - apparently and good for you - find fallible. If your church has spent almost 2000 years producing documents that you find not to be accurate, what really is the point? In addition, your tithes will go to support the 4-billion-dollar business of your churc: the legal fees to the lawyers who fight to enable the continued anal rape of children by your priests. You could just accept your creed (more about that below) and study the Bible under a Pastor who shares your views. Instead, you cling to an organization that - as you admit - produces erroneous documents that lead people astray.

Why?

OK. Creeds. In our own Statement of Faith we mention creeds as follows:

All Scripture is totally True™ and trustworthy. It reveals the sole way we should live our lives, the absolute principles by which Jesus judges us and it is the supreme and only guide by which all human conduct, scientific study, entertainment, culture, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried.

Creeds do not have preference, only Jesus and the Bible do. While the creeds often contain useful material for the feeble-minded, they must be assessed against Biblical background.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

This is also true of the Athanasian creed. Let us examine it. Scholars, including Catholics, agree that it couldn't have been written by Athanasius.

In the year 1644, Gerard Voss, in his "De Tribus Symbolis", gave weighty probability to the opinion that St. Athanasius was not its author. His reasons may be reduced to the two following:

• firstly, no early writer of authority speaks of it as the work of this doctor; and
• secondly, its language and structure point to a Western, rather than to an Alexandrian, origin.

The original language in this case seems to have been Latin (probably one of the reasons why uneducated Romans preferred it over Greek originals), but Athanasius wrote in Greek. It is also targeted at matters, including the filioque debacle, that only appeared after Athanasius's time. Regardless of the content this makes the creed a forgery.

Why would the Holy Spirit channel a forged document as "infallible"?
By being pseudepigraphical, the document by definition cannot be infallible. It is the product of men, and as such it cannot be infallible.

Please, get an education about your denomination! You desperately need that! In addition, I am still waiting for your comments about the use of Latin ablative, the significance of graven images + likenesses, and on 2 Thessalonians 2:15.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Faith_Machine]

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Hi Christi, just a point of clarification: we're not Protestants, and we don't promote Protestantism, which is an heretical subsect of Catholicism.

We are Baptists. Our religion was given to us directly from Jesus, and thus predates your sect and its various offshoots.

[Faith_Machine]

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Now then, Christi is a pretty name, and I do happen to be in the market for a bride. Exactly how Armenian are you? Can you upload a profile pic so I can see whether you have a moustache?

[Jim C. Lombardo]

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I didn't know Armenians still existed. Didn't your people get wiped out in some kind of genocide?

[Basilissa]

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I didn't know Armenians still existed. Didn't your people get wiped out in some kind of genocide?

Jim, Turks say there was no such genocide, and I have no reason to distrust them - it's not like they have a stake in this or anything.