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Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Well, we do. I live in a place that looks more like this. You can notice the beach.

Is that poop running over the beach at the bottom of the picture?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I suspect it will be a little more like this:

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Do you have enough chicken bones available?

(I expected your picture to show one stuck through your nose)

If you need some, let me know, and I can save them from my next trip to Kentucky Fried Chicken.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Yes, I do feel I have "earned" the good things in my present life. The laws of Karma are 100% accurate.

Thank you.

God did not give me the right or option to comment on another person's karmic status. I try to be nice and compassionate to the less fortunate beings within my social radius. However, to all those examples you provided, I don't have a solution to their misery. Life is unfair, so they should all probably try to suck it up. I wish them good luck in improving their lot.

Charity begins at home.

You were not given the right or option to comment on another's karmic status, but apparently centuries of the right to oppress those deemed inferior based upon supposed karmic status. Something still done today by Hindus:

Man takes life of son-in-law over inter-caste marriage - October 25, 2010

Dik Bahadur Thapa Magar, who was found dead in his rented room in Ombahal, Kathmandu on October 19 was murdered by his father-in-law Nirraj Danuwar, police claimed.

Danuwar has conceded his crime in a statement to the police as well as before the media. He was made public at a press conference in Kathmandu on Sunday.

According to Danuwar, Thapa Magar died accidentally when a brawl broke into a fight on the evening of October 18.

Danuwar said, he was miffed with his daughter as well as her husband as they were from different castes. His daughter Parbati Danuwar had eloped with Thapa Magar nine years ago. He got further angry after his daughter told him that Thapa Magar used to beat her and the children after getting intoxicated.

Parbati told police, her father had been pressuring her to leave Thapa Magar and marry someone from the same caste.

The caste system isn't as rigid as you think. There is a lot of fluidity and upward mobility within the caste system. India has plenty of affirmative action policies for historically backward castes. Today, you can find them everywhere from the seats of parliament to universities and doctor's clinics.

I personally have nothing against anyone wanting to improve their present circumstances through a good education and hard work.

As long as they don't marry your daughter, I imagine.

Inter-caste marriage ends in honour killing

Dipak Kumar Dash, TNN, May 9, 2010, 02.49am IST

MUZAFFARNAGAR: A 23-year-old youth, Ajit Saini, was brutally killed by the brother of the Jat girl he loved and claimed to have married and his body has been found probably a week after the murder.

Saini's throat had been slit and legs chopped off. His name tattooed on his left hand had been burnt off with acid.

Brahmins are still revered in this country but we aren't the richest. The merchant castes of India (of which, you'll find plenty in the United States) have all the wealth. Many Brahmins happen to be poor as well. But, no other caste has the grace, intellectual temperament and selflessness that you'll find in a Brahmin. That is why despite our lack of wealth, we get all the respect from other castes.

That's all very well and good, but I said nothing about wealth. I said that Brahmins control the priesthood.

The caste system has all but collapsed. Although the upper castes have still retained some privileges, for the most part, the caste system is irrelevant today.

It doesn't appear so from the violence stemming from inter-caste marriages.

Are you so blind as not to see that "karma" is simply a creation of Hindu Brahmins to enforce a social order which benefits them, by blaming the victims for their own poverty and suffering and claiming that the well-off should not be envied because they earned their status in their "past lives"?

[Titus Templeton]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I think we saw enough pictures to say that God hates this country very much. I mean there is not one house without poo on the walls.

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Thank you.


You were not given the right or option to comment on another's karmic status, but apparently centuries of the right to oppress those deemed inferior based upon supposed karmic status. Something still done today by Hindus:

I personally did not "oppress" anyone. Case closed.

As long as they don't marry your daughter, I imagine.

I personally have liberal views on inter-caste and interracial marriages. For other Brahmins, I cannot comment. As they say, to each their own.

That's all very well and good, but I said nothing about wealth. I said that Brahmins control the priesthood.

That's irrelevant because most people in India, especially in urban areas, are leading an almost atheist existence. People are more concerned about their new Plasma TV and buying a flat in an upmarket locality. We are becoming a money-loving culture, much like Americans. Whether or not we control the Priesthood, we don't control the minds of people anymore.

It doesn't appear so from the violence stemming from inter-caste marriages.

Are you so blind as not to see that "karma" is simply a creation of Hindu Brahmins to enforce a social order which benefits them, by blaming the victims for their own poverty and suffering and claiming that the well-off should not be envied because they earned their status in their "past lives"?

I'm in a hurry right now but I can prove to you that the laws of Karma are applicable universally - even for Christians like yourself.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I personally did not "oppress" anyone. Case closed.

In any way that you have accepted privilege by being born to Brahmin parents, you have, in fact, oppressed those not so privleged.

But it's nice to see you can lie to yourself and deny your own complicity in such actions.

I personally have liberal views on inter-caste and interracial marriages. For other Brahmins, I cannot comment. As they say, to each their own.

I guess that's where Christians and Hindus differ. Christians actually want to be sure everyone has the same rights. Christians care about justice and God's Law, not the chaos you appear to embrace. Christians try to eliminate intolerance, rather than turning a blind eye to it as you do.

That's irrelevant because most people in India, especially in urban areas, are leading an almost atheist existence. People are more concerned about their new Plasma TV and buying a flat in an upmarket locality. We are becoming a money-loving culture, much like Americans. Whether or not we control the Priesthood, we don't control the minds of people anymore.

When the Brahmins openly deny karma and the caste system which the myth of karma was created to support, I'll believe you. Until then, hogwash.

Please show me the demographic studies demonstrating that most Indians are atheist.

I'm in a hurry right now but I can prove to you that the laws of Karma are applicable universally - even for Christians like yourself.

It would be most entertaining to see how you promote karma as acceptable to Christians, since they rely upon reincarnation -- a concept explicitly denied in the Bible.

[barton]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Greetings!

I am fascinated with this statement of yours:

I believe in Vedanta philosophy and consider the Bhagwad Gita the same as you would the Bible.

Prior to becoming a True Christian™, I remember reading this novel. I was particularly impressed with how Arjuna struggles with Ahimsa, trying to be non-violent... only to be told by Vishnu to forget about that and, instead, just go ahead and kill millions of people. It's refreshing to know that, despite claims to the contrary, Hinduism is bloody to its very core!

I imagine you must also be proud of this, knowing that you have perfect license from your supreme being to righteously destroy anyone that threatens you religiously. I must have this right since the history of your country, as well as its present, is replete with all sorts of wonderful attacks against evil-doing family members as well as deviant strangers.

Of course, we all know that your Hindu religion is nothing but heathen superstition. Unless you repent, you will burn in hell forever because of your lack of faith in Jesus Christ, the King of the Universe.

Sincerely,
Barton

[Lisa H]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I personally did not "oppress" anyone. Case closed.

I personally have liberal views on inter-caste and interracial marriages. For other Brahmins, I cannot comment. As they say, to each their own.

That's irrelevant because most people in India, especially in urban areas, are leading an almost atheist existence. People are more concerned about their new Plasma TV and buying a flat in an upmarket locality. We are becoming a money-loving culture, much like Americans. Whether or not we control the Priesthood, we don't control the minds of people anymore.

I'm in a hurry right now but I can prove to you that the laws of Karma are applicable universally - even for Christians like yourself.

How can you be a money loving country when India is ranked 30 as the poorest country on the MPI. Hati ranks 28, but you don't see them buying plasma TV's

Here is an extract of the report

Multidimensional Poverty Index (2010)

The intensity of MPI poverty is greatest in South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa. If one merely gazes at a ranking of countries, one notices immediately that the poorest countries are all in Sub-Saharan Africa (plus Somalia which is technically an Arab State).52 Does this mean that Africa is the poorest in terms of MPI? Unfortunately, South Asia also has comparable intensities of poverty.

If we compare the MPI values of states within India alone, we find that 8 states with poverty as acute as the 26 poorest African countries, are home to 421 million multidimensionally poor persons, more than the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million) (See also section 4.5). Finally,even within Indian states further diversity is expected, so a district level analysis might bring out even more variation. Just to provide a sense of perspective, the population of the poorest Indian state Bihar, with 95 million people, exceeds the sum of nine of the ten poorest African countries. Hence because of the different sizes of the units of analysis, it is not possible to say definitely where

MPI poverty is more intense, but in either case what is clear is that both South Asia and Africa have a tragic intensity of poverty. In Bolivia, which we also decomposed, in no case does a state or ethnic group within Bolivia have a MPI that is comparable to these.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Hey Mr. Hindoo. Do you eat people?

[despising david]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I'm slightly confused, you said you came on here to learn about our Lord and Savior, but all you've done is show pictures of home's with poop on the walls and talk about "karma". Do you have any intention on repenting and becoming a Christian? Hindu has obviously done a lot of good for your country and people...(cough..cough) If you want a chance at actual success that doesn't involve getting lucky today while going through the garbage cans Christianity is the way to start!

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

In any way that you have accepted privilege by being born to Brahmin parents, you have, in fact, oppressed those not so privleged. But it's nice to see you can lie to yourself and deny your own complicity in such actions.

Just as you accepted the privilege of being born to White American parents in a country where Whites are the majority and richest demographic?
People living in glass houses...

I guess that's where Christians and Hindus differ. Christians actually want to be sure everyone has the same rights.

Not all Christians. Here's the official position on race at the Landoverbaptist forum

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=505253#post505253

Some of your proud Christian comrades want to bring back slavery http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...hlight=slavery

Again, people living in glass houses...

Christians try to eliminate intolerance, rather than turning a blind eye to it as you do.

Same as above.

When the Brahmins openly deny karma and the caste system which the myth of karma was created to support, I'll believe you. Until then, hogwash.

You took a logical leap with this argument. Preconditionally, you negate my core beliefs on Karma which goes against the very spirit of a healthy discussion. It's like if I argue that "Jesus Christ is a myth and no such character actually existed" and "The Bible is a funny novel". That would negate all the evidence you bring from the Bible. And, of course, it's disrespectful too.

Give respect. Earn it back. That's what my parents taught me. I don't know what the Bible taught you.

Please show me the demographic studies demonstrating that most Indians are atheist.

Indians aren't atheistic in a Western sense. Many visit temples. But, most urban Indians are ignorant about their own religion. Money is a major driving force in their lives, something which makes me very sad.

It would be most entertaining to see how you promote karma as acceptable to Christians, since they rely upon reincarnation -- a concept explicitly denied in the Bible.

First of all, I would like to say even if you're a true Christian, your beliefs in Karma should not hurt your present relationship with God. God should know the matters of the heart and won't have to hate you for a mere belief.

Let me reiterate the major difference between Hinduism and Christianity. Christianity is a dogmatic "faith"-based religion with a monolithic God-like entity. Being Christian, you insist that all your beliefs should come from a rule-book called the Bible. But, you don't really follow this in principle.

It doesn't matter whether the belief of Karma has a pagan (Hindu) origin. There are thousands of beliefs in your life which didn't originate with Christianity and were not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. You still believe in them against your will - heck, you even enjoy revelling in such beliefs. As do all humans on Earth, including every Christian.

Supposing, you are prejudiced against Blacks, that's a "belief" which you acquired through experience or intuition. While walking, you prefer crossing the street from left instead of right - that too is a "belief". Fact of the matter is, you have internalised these beliefs to such an extent that you didn't even notice whether or not you're supposed to refer Bible for guidance.

Back to the Law of Karma. It's somewhat analogous to Newton's Third Law of Motion in Physics. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"; "every cause has an effect". Now, let me ask you a question: Do you believe in Newton's Third Law of Motion?

Assuming your belief in Newton's 3rd law is deep enough, the laws of Karma could be treated as a logical extension of the same. While Newton's law govern the motion of particles in the physical realm, the Law of Karma analogously applies to the Spiritual realm. The Law of Karma is simply a "cause-effect" trajectory of your life.

Every good and noble action yields a positive result and gives you good Karma. Every wicked action gives you the opposite.

If you're healthy, happy and cheerful today, it's certainly your good Karma for a period of time (it could be anything from a few hours to days and years, and even the past life) which produced the current positive attitude. If you're angry, bitter and resentful at the moment, just try to recollect what you did wrong. This is what we call "introspection". All Human beings, including Christians, constantly introspect the past to see where they went wrong.

It cannot be denied that the past does shape your present and future. Where are you employed today? At a church as a pastor? How the hell did you land there? What events in the past influenced your present stage in life?

However, the law of Karma is more than just connecting the dots between your past and future. It's an accurate reflection of your attitudes, talents, motivations, desires, and every subtlety in you.

Let's compare Karma to the DNA of a human being. The DNA only gives you a picture of the physical reality. It doesn't explain the personality differences between two individuals, their likes and dislikes and more. Every human being is rubber-stamped with a unique persona comprising intellect, likes and dislikes, prejudices and various subtle attitudes. Where do they originate? There has to be a source, an originating force which makes a person what he is.

Without going further on the metaphysics of the Law of Karma (you can read plenty of articles on this subject on your own), I can suggest a practical method for you to experience the law first hand. Just like you may have learnt Newton's third law of motion after conducting some experiments in your Physics lab.

For next eight days, be a very nice person, I mean even nicer than what you are. Help the old lady at the bus stop, say "thank you" and "please" to every person that comes your way, promise yourself not to be upset for even a moment and try to be as charitable as nice as possible. If possible, don't consume any meat or animal products in this time span.

Take notes in a diary on all your good deeds. Try to notice the good things which happen in your life due to the Law of Karma. Try to plot a graph for the same.

For another eight days, be a complete asshole. Push down the old lady at the supermarket when she's pushing her preachey, cuss and scream at every stranger, down yourself into alcohol and cigarettes, meat, marijuana - whatever you can lay your hands on. Steal, rob, if you can - let go of all your civility.

Of course, stay legal. I don't want you to get arrested for these experiments. But, simply be the most loathsome character you always wanted to be.

Again, take notes in a diary on all your bad deeds. Try to notice thecrap which happened in your life due to the Law of Karma. Try to plot a graph for the same.

We've already gone long enough. I can continue forever if you want to but here is one of the scenarios which necessitate a belief system similar to reincarnations.

The Bible states that every Christian is judged based on their actions and belief in Jesus. However, what happens to the infant who died at birth? The ignorant seven-year old who died in a car accident without being baptised? What was their fault? Individuals like these didn't have the maturity, intelligence,time and reasoning to internalise faith in Jesus. However, at the same time, all these individuals had a unique spiritual trajectory which shaped their character, convictions and events in life. If there was a God, why did he simply send them to Earth, experience so much pain as a mortal, and die. Only to be condemned to Hell for the reasons provided on this forum.

To summarise, you may choose to believe in the Law of Karma or you may not. It should not affect your status as a True Christian. If so, it can be well said you're solely motivated by denialism.

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

How can you be a money loving country when India is ranked 30 as the poorest country on the MPI. Hati ranks 28, but you don't see them buying plasma TV's

Here is an extract of the report

India mainly has a 300 million+ middle class segment and at least one million, High Net Worth Individuals (HNWI). That's a lot of disposable money.

Currently, we are the 10th or 12th most wealthiest country in the world as far as GDP goes. Many people do live in Haiti-like squalor conditions but many are quite affluent. Every person in my present surroundings lives in his own house which is valued at least $100,000. Property rates in upmarket localities of Bombay and Delhi are actually higher than New York and Tokyo. German automakers like BMW, Audi and Mercede-Benz are making a beeline for the growing Indian car market. India annually consumes more than 50% gold in the world as Indian women are very fond of Gold jewellery.

Analysts predict India will grow to become the second or third largest economy in the world by 2050

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ow/5253834.cms

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Do you have any intention on repenting and becoming a Christian?

No, never. We're just having an inter-faith dialogue. I said I'm here to understand your beliefs - not to become like you.

Hindu has obviously done a lot of good for your country and people...(cough..cough) If you want a chance at actual success that doesn't involve getting lucky today while going through the garbage cans Christianity is the way to start!

Thank you for your concern.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I’m not going to reply to all your superficial points; I will address a few. I have been to India - Meghalaya, Uttar Pradesh, Bengal, and Rajasthan

Just as you accepted the privilege of being born to White American parents in a country where Whites are the majority and richest demographic?

People living in glass houses...

We are the vast majority; the glasshouse in which we live is one that covers the largest demographic. The wealthy in India are a quite separate society; they neither know nor care of the sufferings of the poor. They accept the system as it is. Talk to me about indentured labor and the child workers I saw. The gap between rich and poor is huge.

Is it not so that God has cursed the majority to live under an uncaring upper class?

Give respect. Earn it back. That's what my parents taught me. I don't know what the Bible taught you.

There is a modern philosophy that says that “all beliefs and lifestyles should be respected.” Despite false Christians accepting this, it is NOT the Lord’s Word. You worship idols – a vile sin. How can we respect that and remain true to God?

First of all, I would like to say even if you're a true Christian, your beliefs in Karma should not hurt your present relationship with God. God should know the matters of the heart and won't have to hate you for a mere belief.

He is quite firm on this one, in fact it is His first commandment and His second.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Deuteronomy 5:1-22
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. Exodus 20:4

For the True Christian™ there is Heaven and Hell,

Let me reiterate the major difference between Hinduism and Christianity. Christianity is a dogmatic "faith"-based religion with a monolithic God-like entity. Being Christian, you insist that all your beliefs should come from a rule-book called the Bible. But, you don't really follow this in principle.

You were correct up until the final sentence. We do follow the Bible literally, anything else is not Christianity.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

It doesn't matter whether the belief of Karma has a pagan (Hindu) origin.

Of course it does, who are you going to believe, a known liar or a man of perfect honor? Pagans had/have no moral compass, they can say what they want and never have a moments attack of conscience – they are led by false gods. God speaks the Truth.

Supposing, you are prejudiced against Blacks, that's a "belief" which you acquired through experience or intuition. While walking, you prefer crossing the street from left instead of right - that too is a "belief". Fact of the matter is, you have internalised these beliefs to such an extent that you didn't even notice whether or not you're supposed to refer Bible for guidance.

You have again missed the message of Landover, let me refresh you memory:

Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture therein is totally true and trustworthy.”

Back to the Law of Karma. It's somewhat analogous to Newton's Third Law of Motion in Physics. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"; "every cause has an effect". Now, let me ask you a question: Do you believe in Newton's Third Law of Motion?

Newton is not God, comparing a physical reaction with some weird false religion is invalid, Our point is, Follow the Bible, otherwise your Karma is so bad you will burn in the Fires of hell for Eternity – case closed.

It cannot be denied that the past does shape your present and future. Where are you employed today? At a church as a pastor? How the hell did you land there?

Hell has little place in a Church and Satan certainly did not appoint any Pastors!

What events in the past influenced your present stage in life?

God did it.

Let's compare Karma to the DNA of a human being.

No, let’s not – there is no parallel

For next eight days, be a very nice person, I mean even nicer than what you are. Help the old lady at the bus stop, say "thank you" and "please" to every person that comes your way, promise yourself not to be upset for even a moment and try to be as charitable as nice as possible.

We are nice and we do receive our rward in heaven. This time on Earth is like walking through a barren land with only the Light of Christ to guide you. Our fate is to reach Heaven.

If possible, don't consume any meat or animal products in this time span.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Read the Book of Genesis! You will find that the first murderer was a vegetarian and his vegetarianism lead to that murder. God does not like rabbit food!

Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

To summarise, you may choose to believe in the Law of Karma or you may not. It should not affect your status as a True Christian. If so, it can be well said you're solely motivated by denialism.

and this is why we do not listen to pagans and worshipers of false gods.

India mainly has a 300 million+ middle class segment and at least one million, High Net Worth Individuals (HNWI). That's a lot of disposable money.

Currently, we are the 10th or 12th most wealthiest country in the world as far as GDP goes.

Give me the figures on wealth distribution…

Many people do live in Haiti-like squalor conditions

That would be about 99.99%

but many are quite affluent

That would be the rest. Despite its burgeoning economy, the gap between rich and poor in India is vast.
WEALTH DISTRIBUTION IN INDIA
Top 1%: 16% of wealth
Top 5%: 38% of wealth
Top 10%: 53% of wealth
Bottom 80%: 30% of wealth
Bottom 50%: 8% of wealth
Bottom 20%: 1% of wealth
Bottom 10% 0.2% of wealth

Source: University of Western Ontario, 2006

About 35% of people live on less than US$1 a day. Poverty is at its worst in rural areas and is often accompanied by high levels of illiteracy and poor health.
Nationally, almost half of children suffer from malnourishment, although infant mortality rates have declined. Almost 60% of people in towns and 20% in rural areas do not have access to proper sanitation.

Every person in my present surroundings lives in his own house which is valued at least $100,000.

That would buy a reasonable slum in a Darkie area here.

However, you seem like a reasonable business man, I’m thinking that my 2 call centers are costing too much. Should I dismiss my workers and outsource to India? What are the daily rates for peons to answer a phone?