I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

[Chatolic Philosopher]

Hey, I have been a Chatolic but since I have find this forum and your religion I've been wondering.

Why do you read the Bible in a so literally way? The Bible was written with different stiles, like a poetry, for example the apocalypsis is entirely symbolic. The genesis too.

Why do you call yourself True Christian? You're a branch, of a branch of the Church. You don't have a Pope, descendant of the first one selected by Jesus. You don't have a central house, as we do. You are another bunch of people that didn't like the way of praying to Jesus and decided to do it by your way.


Also, your KJV has a problem with verse.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

It's wrong, because it should be:
Beware lest any man spoil you through [false] philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The transcripcion of the French and Spanish Bible of that verse is the following:
Do not be enslaved by anyone with the emptiness of a false philosophy, inspired purelyhuman tradition and the elements of the world, and not after Christ.

So, because of a mising word you weren't able to understand this verse and denied any kind of philosophy. I've spoken with Pastor Ezequiel and he didn't denied anything of this, I'll will show you part of the mail.

I understand by false a philosophy like Nietzche's who said that the christianity is one of the worst things that happened to the human race when it incorporated the idea of guilty.
Or the Epicureanism that claim that there is not god, but that pure pleasure is the ultimate good and pain is the ultimate evil.

Instead, a true philosophy could be the one of Saint Thomas Aquinas who proved God existence through the five statements:

God is simple, without composition of parts, such as body and soul, or matter and form.
God is perfect, lacking nothing. That is, God is distinguished from other beings on account of God's complete actuality.
God is infinite. That is, God is not finite in the ways that created beings are physically, intellectually, and emotionally limited. This infinity is to be distinguished from infinity of size and infinity of number.
God is immutable, incapable of change on the levels of God's essence and character.
God is one, without diversification within God's self. The unity of God is such that God's essence is the same as God's existence. In Thomas's words, "in itself the proposition 'God exists' is necessarily true, for in it subject and predicate are the same."

He also changed Aristoteles teorys from agnostic to christrians.
Thomas's five proofs for the existence of God take some of Aristotle's assertions concerning principles of being. For Thomas, God as Prima Causa (first cause) comes from Aristotle's concept of the Unmoved Mover and asserts that God is the ultimate cause of all things.

If you claim this is false then you would be claiming that God is limitated, and false.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

This makes no difference, because anything that contradicts the Bible is false while anything that agrees with the Bible is true.

[Lisa H]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Also, your KJV has a problem with verse.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

It's wrong, because it should be:
Beware lest any man spoil you through [false] philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The transcripcion of the French and Spanish Bible of that verse is the following:
Do not be enslaved by anyone with the emptiness of a false philosophy, inspired purelyhuman tradition and the elements of the world, and not after Christ.

So, because of a mising word you weren't able to understand this verse and denied any kind of philosophy. I've spoken with Pastor Ezequiel and he didn't denied anything of this, I'll will show you part of the mail.

There is no missing word. You are just adding it in to suit your own agenda and false Bibles.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

These Chatolics like to chat about such things, they have to have everything explained as if they were 4 year olds.

[Chatolic Philosopher]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

There is no missing word. You are just adding it in to suit your own agenda and false Bibles.

I can justify myself. The Bible was transcripted to Latin, and it stayed like that for a long time(even when the Protestants[A.K.A:Somehow you] broke away from the Church). When it was transcribed to English there was a big chance of making a mistake. Instead, when it was transcribed to French and Spanish, because both languages are derivated from Latin, the transcribe was easier. If you want to see it by yourself, post Colossians 2:8 extracted from the Original Latin Bible, you'll see that your Bible deleted(accidentaly) a word.

Also, if you claim as false any of the last philosophys I've posted you would be claiming that there is no good & evil, no God, no soul. Because that's what they are.

God is infinite. That is, God is not finite in the ways that created beings are physically, intellectually, and emotionally limited. This infinity is to be distinguished from infinity of size and infinity of number.

Is this false? Why?

[Lisa H]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

I can justify myself. The Bible was transcripted to Latin, and it stayed like that for a long time(even when the Protestants[A.K.A:Somehow you] broke away from the Church). When it was transcribed to English there was a big chance of making a mistake. Instead, when it was transcribed to French and Spanish, because both languages are derivated from Latin, the transcribe was easier. If you want to see it by yourself, post Colossians 2:8 extracted from the Original Latin Bible, you'll see that your Bible deleted(accidentaly) a word.

Also, if you claim as false any of the last philosophys I've posted you would be claiming that there is no good & evil, no God, no soul. Because that's what they are.

Is this false? Why?

Who cares what you Catholic thinks. The King James Bible is written the way God wanted it to be. Why don't you learn to speak and read English then you would understand. By you adding the word "false" you are changing the meaning.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

So let me get this straight....somehow the Bible is perfectly fine being translated from the original Greek to Latin, and from Latin to Spanish, but not Latin to English? God has promised us that His words would endure and not be lost!

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Now some questions for you: Why do you think the Bible should be meant to be taken metaphorically? Who has the authority to determine whether or not something shouldn't be taken literally? Does that not contradict the commandment of 2 Peter 1:20?

[Chatolic Philosopher]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Who cares what you Catholic thinks.

Who cares what you Baptist think? You can't accept the Christianity the way it is so you have to change it. Also, no one answered about why you take the Bible so literally.

By you adding the word "false" you are changing the meaning.

So, you didn't find that verse to prove I'm wrong? I'm not adding the word, your Bible doesn't have it and because you can't admit that you are wrong, nor even prove that you're right because you're too lazy for searching that verse gives me the reason.

[Lisa H]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Who cares what you Baptist think? You can't accept the Christianity the way it is so you have to change it. Also, no one answered about why you take the Bible so literally.

The Lord cares what Baptists think because we are True Believers. We have not changed Christianity and follow the Bible as it is written.

So, you didn't find that verse to prove I'm wrong? I'm not adding the word, your Bible doesn't have it and because you can't admit that you are wrong, nor even prove that you're right because you're too lazy for searching that verse gives me the reason.

You are adding the word in. If the word is not there, and you included it, then you are adding it in. You are just to lazy to understand the meaning of adding.

Here is a definition for you

1. To combine (a column of figures, for example) to form a sum.
2. To join or unite so as to increase in size, quantity, quality, or scope:
3. To say or write further.

[Didymus Much]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Originally Posted by Catholic Philosopher
...You can't accept the Christianity the way it is so you have to change it...

That's rich, coming from a follower of the Pope, who is constantly spewing Bullshit and Edicts. You've had nearly 2000 years, and you still haven't got it right?

[Sam_the_saved]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Who cares what you Baptist think? You can't accept the Christianity the way it is so you have to change it. Also, no one answered about why you take the Bible so literally.



So, you didn't find that verse to prove I'm wrong? I'm not adding the word, your Bible doesn't have it and because you can't admit that you are wrong, nor even prove that you're right because you're too lazy for searching that verse gives me the reason.

Note, as is common with Catholics, once their theories are exposed to genuine Biblical logic they fall apart and turn to petty insults against God to cover up their child-molesting ways.

[Lisa H]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Chatolic Philosopher

Why are your worrying about this. You should be more worried about the non existent location you live in.

Panama, New Zeland

[John Creeser]

Re: I'm a Chatolic I don't see what's your point

Great, not sure what's worse; catlicks or hemorrhoids - equally as irritating.

Also, no one answered about why you take the Bible so literally.

Maybe because God commands it? You have read the Bible right?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

[Chatolic Philosopher]

Reason against blindness

So, you didn't find that verse to prove I'm wrong?

Still waiting

You are adding the word in. If the word is not there, and you included it, then you are adding it in. You are just to lazy to understand the meaning of adding.

La Reina Valera Spanish Bible (Spanish KJV) also include the word "false".

So let me get this straight....somehow the Bible is perfectly fine being translated from the original Greek to Latin, and from Latin to Spanish, but not Latin to English? God has promised us that His words would endure and not be lost!

Want to prove that I'm wrong? Find the latin verse.

Now some questions for you: Why do you think the Bible should be meant to be taken metaphorically? Who has the authority to determine whether or not something shouldn't be taken literally? Does that not contradict the commandment of 2 Peter 1:20?

The Old Testament was writted in a symbolical way. Ask any theologist, he will explain it to you. There are true facts in the Bible, but the Bible can't be use as a historical book. Ask any historian

[Lisa H]

Re: Reason against blindness

Still waiting

La Reina Valera Spanish Bible (Spanish KJV) also include the word "false".

The King James Bible is the only Bible. All others are just false Bibles and should not trusted.

There is nothing to argue about, just accept the King James Bible is the only one to read.