[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Do you hate nazis? Why? I thought that God hated Jewish people

Nazis are Catholics (as in pagans)

[Ponderous]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Nazis are Catholics (as in pagans)

Well you and nazis, indeed have one thing in common:
You both hate jewish people from the depths of your hearts

[devin1992]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

What has Finland done to earn God's love?

Gods love isn't 'earned'. He loves you no matter what including finland.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

He loves you no matter what including finland.

Let me answer to that simple, yet comprehensive way.

No!

[devin1992]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Let me answer to that simple, yet comprehensive way.

No!

oh so i must "earn" his love and acceptance? And i haven't witnessed many drug addicts come to God and have their addictions healed instantly? Ive seen and met so many people who were hooked on all sorts of horrible drugs and God has changed their life. Not because they "earned" but because they wanted to change their life and please God.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

oh so i must "earn" his love and acceptance? And i haven't witnessed many drug addicts come to God and have their addictions healed instantly? Ive seen and met so many people who were hooked on all sorts of horrible drugs and God has changed their life. Not because they "earned" but because they wanted to change their life and please God.

No, no. You got it all wrong, you don't earn anything. You follow KJV 1611 to the letter and you get to heaven. If you don't follow you go to hell. It is not some bonus system. Still, it is not our fault that you and your friends are drug addicts, so please go cry to some junkie forum about your addictions.

This forum is about God.

[Hammer of Justice]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Finland indeed is at a crossroads, ever since the fall of communism in the early 90's we've had the chance to rid ourselves from the political and economical enslavement to the russians, which has not even yet happened. This is one of the reasons god may come to hate Finland. On the other hand, we were fighting the godless soviet menace with the uncompromising strength and conviction given to us by god, (Koti, Usko, Isänmaa - Home, Faith, Fatherland) while you americans were still supporting them.

On another note, i belive this country is on the road to hell. Between the commie leftists and the so called green party of our government that promotes ideals like separation from church, putting fags in positive light and reckless immigration policies, we're not doing so well. But the time is not yet too late.

Elections are coming up, and i know who i'm voting for, Perus Suomalaiset (Common Finns party) They stand for those old time ideals, which made Finland a country chosen by god.

That is all for now.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Elections are coming up, and i know who i'm voting for, Perus Suomalaiset (Common Finns party) They stand for those old time ideals, which made Finland a country chosen by god.

Don't fall for that political jargon!

Their most visible politician so far was drug addict gay-wrestler (Praise the Lord that he was smitten by God!) and their chairman is filthy ring-kissing papist. So it is quite obvious that this party has NO intention to make
"Finland a country chosen by god", on the contrary.

YiC,

Alphonse

[Hammer of Justice]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Yeah, well i'm not voting for the christian democrats either. I think they might be satanists in disguise, cant prove anything though. Damn satanists, leftists commies, fags and corrupt politicians everywhere. Even our president is a gay loving commie. Maybe i should move to a nice little town in USA with decent god fearing people living in it.

[Terra Firma]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Hello everyone!

As a citizen of Finland, I was shocked to read this topic. I'm a Christian myself, and it would seem that there are some fundamental differences in the ways we view the word of God. Please bare with me, as I explain my view of the Heavenly Father will, for I am not intending to say I'm right and you are wrong - our views simply differ, which is fine by me.

But, as said, my views do differ from yours. Ever since I was a little child, my parents and my priests have told me that Christianity is a religion of LOVE. Jesus Christ preached against violence, hate and greed. The bible even said that one shouldn't attack back when being attacked by others:

Luke 6:29: If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.

This, I thought as a child, is wonderful! How lovely would the world be if we could all live by these very demanding yet beautiful ideals! One of the ideas that automatically made a huge impression on me was this:

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Now that you know where I'm coming from, you probably understand my shock, when I read some of the writings on this Christian forum. Many of the writers here seem to think highly of firearms - inventions that were created solely for taking human lives with violence! This is surely against the teachings of the New Testament, for even the Ten Commandments tell us "You shall not kill". I had always seen the Commandments as a very fundamental and important part of God's word, and therefore couldn't understand how a Christian could condone such activities!

On another note, I was shocked to see that on your smilie-list, you have things such as these:

Surely these horrible pictures of violence are not what Our Holy Father would like us to spread in His World?

But to repeat myself, I do not judge you (for Our Father is the only one to judge) but merely wish to understand you - for maybe there are things for me to still learn about God's Will. So if someone would like to enlighten me about how violence and Christianity can be connected in such ways, I would love to hear it. Thank you, and Bless you all!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

I do not judge you (for Our Father is the only one to judge)

For someone who claims to be a Christian you know shockingly little about what is in the Bible!

Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."

[True Disciple]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

But, as said, my views do differ from yours. Ever since I was a little child, my parents and my priests have told me that Christianity is a religion of LOVE. Jesus Christ preached against violence, hate and greed. The bible even said that one shouldn't attack back when being attacked by others:

Luke 6:29: If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.

Your parents and priests lied to you, I'm afraid. While Christianity certainly is a religion of Love, other aspects are certainly important as well, like Fear:

Luke 12:4-5:
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Why do you think Jesus says this? Because God wants us to fear Him! Read more about this here.

Secondly, Jesus commands us to hate each other, because He doesn't tolerate anyone replacing Him as our First Love:

Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Also, many false "christians" do not even know what love is! Is "love" being nice and doing good to our fellow man? NO! Love is doing what Jesus says in the Bible:

John 12:21:
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Romans 13:9-10:
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Love is following the commandments in the Bible, like the one forbidding us to love people who hate God:


2 Chronicles 19:2:
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

This, I thought as a child, is wonderful! How lovely would the world be if we could all live by these very demanding yet beautiful ideals! One of the ideas that automatically made a huge impression on me was this:


Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Well, we agree on this, then.

Now, why don't you then follow Matthew 7:12? Why don't you do what the Law and the Prophets say? Why don't you put pressure on your politicians to introduce the death penalty for blasphemy? Because that is what God commands in the Law:

Leviticus 24:16:
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Again, Love is the fulfillment of the Law, so killing a blasphemer is an act of Love, according to the Bible.

This is surely against the teachings of the New Testament, for even the Ten Commandments tell us "You shall not kill".

Almost the entire Bible following the Ten Commandments consists of exceptions God introduces to those rules, like God's Commandment to stone blasphemers that I referred to before. To show you that this is not an exception, this is God's Commandment about people following other religions:

Deuteronomy 13:12-16:
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

Nonbelievers should be killed. That's what the Bible says.
So, yes, God definitely approves of people using weapons. God, after all, is a God of War:

Exodus 15:3:
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

I had always seen the Commandments as a very fundamental and important part of God's word, and therefore couldn't understand how a Christian could condone such activities!

I hope you'll understand now, friend.

Surely these horrible pictures of violence are not what Our Holy Father would like us to spread in His World?

Could you please support that statement with Scripture?

So if someone would like to enlighten me about how violence and Christianity can be connected in such ways, I would love to hear it.

It was a pleasure to enlighten you in this, friend!

[Terra Firma]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

For someone who claims to be a Christian you know shockingly little about what is in the Bible!

Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."

No need to be harsh, sir! I do know the aforementioned passages are a part of the Bible, but is it not a question of emphasis? And the Ten Commandments, after all, are emphasized a lot in the Old Testament, which would lead me to believe that they are the basic guidelines, on which one should rely on when in doubt.

Also, to continue about emphasis, I've always held the sayings of Jesus Christ as one of the most important parts of the Holy Book, for He is The Son of God! Surely we should hold His words in higher praise than the interpretations of generations who lived before him?

Do not take this as hatred, for I am merely confused. I always thought Christianity was the one faith with no barbaric ideals of violence, and am therefore a bit lost here.

Thank you for your answer and bless you!

[Terra Firma]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Secondly, Jesus commands us to hate each other, because He doesn't tolerate anyone replacing Him as our First Love:

This, I always saw as Jesus saying that faith should come before earthly bounds, not as Him saying we should HATE each other

Now, why don't you then follow Matthew 7:12? Why don't you do what the Law and the Prophets say? Why don't you put pressure on your politicians to introduce the death penalty for blasphemy? Because that is what God commands in the Law

Again, because I follow The Ten Commandments and wish not to break the part where it is said "Thou shall not kill". Also, The Bible says in many parts that we, as mere humans, have no right to judge who should live and die, go to heaven or go to hell, for it is only Gods right. As you seem to be an adept reader of The Bible, I trust I don't need to quote the book here, for examples are abundant.

Thank you for your interesting answer and bless you!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Again, because I follow The Ten Commandments and wish not to break the part where it is said "Thou shall not kill". Also, The Bible says in many parts that we, as mere humans, have no right to judge who should live and die, go to heaven or go to hell, for it is only Gods right. As you seem to be an adept reader of The Bible, I trust I don't need to quote the book here, for examples are abundant.

Apparantly you only red the fluffy parts of the Bible as the Bible also says:

Why we must judge:

• Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."
• John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
  
• 2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."

People God hates:

• Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
• Deuteronomy 12:31 "You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."
• Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
  

God kills those who do not believe in Him and then sends them to hell:

• 2nd Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
• Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
• Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
• John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."