[krunsch]

Re: Pastor Persecuted Because Jesus Provides a Modest House

Some people just don't get it. Pastor Zeke, Bishop Tebartz-van-Elst and Pastor Furtick get criticized for wanting a roof over their heads. Tell me, Krunsch, do you live in a tent?

I see no reason why it is anyone else's business what our clergy spend our tithe money to buy. Does it say in the Bible, "Those who tithe should get there noses out of joint because their holy men buy themselves a decent house?" Certainly not.

Krunsch--you should spend more time reading the Bible and less poking you nose into issues that are none of your business.

Nope, you don't get it. A holy man may have house, but not spend other people's money that was entrusted to him feeding the hungry and protecting those that need it, on a luxury residence that costs 60 times as much as other people make in a LIFETIME!!! If he wants it so badly, fine he may go fo it, but in this case he better get a job and EARN a house, just like everybody else has to do instead of being parasitic leech. I guess Stalin got one thing right when he persecuted the clergy.

[Didymus Much]

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...I guess Stalin got one thing right when he persecuted the clergy.

Says the hypocrite, cherishing his own RIGHTS to freedom of thought, religion, and conscience (purchased by the blood and sacrifice of millions of others) while denying them to anyone who happens to be Christian.

You make me sick.

[krunsch]

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This is not about freedom of speech, this is about property rights. In my opinion, any organization whose members do such abdominable and corrupt stuff as the aforementioned pastors deserve to have their church status withdrawn as they are clearly profitoriented secular organizations and not heavenly ones. And then again the question arises who is such a retarded dumbass to become a member and pay when they offer virtually nothing in return.

[Alphonse Alban]

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Says the hypocrite, cherishing his own RIGHTS to freedom of thought, religion, and conscience (purchased by the blood and sacrifice of millions of others) while denying them to anyone who happens to be Christian.

You make me sick.

Not to mention that Stalin used the money he took from his people to fund his palaces, banquets and all in all lavish lifestyle to separate him from the common people. Great example indeed.

[Basilissa]

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This is not about freedom of speech, this is about property rights. In my opinion, any organization whose members do such abdominable and corrupt stuff as the aforementioned pastors deserve to have their church status withdrawn as they are clearly profitoriented secular organizations and not heavenly ones. And then again the question arises who is such a retarded dumbass to become a member and pay when they offer virtually nothing in return.

I don't know why I keep doing this, but I still pray for you, you ungrateful little twerp. How can you insult our great Church and our wonderful pastors, I just don't get it.

[krunsch]

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Not to mention that Stalin used the money he took from his people to fund his palaces, banquets and all in all lavish lifestyle to separate him from the common people. Great example indeed.

So by your reasoning, your pastors are comparable to Stalin, since they use the money they take from the people in their church to fund their lavish lifestyle. All I did was saying if they want to have that, they should actually WORK for that and abstain from robbery and cheating.

I wouldn't have gone as far as comparing them to a mass murderer, and it amazes me that a christian does that.

[Alphonse Alban]

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So by your reasoning, your pastors are comparable to Stalin, since they use the money they take from the people in their church to fund their lavish lifestyle.

Once again you cannot even follow up the thoughts you used yourself. That is not my reasoning. It was you who used Stalin as an example and said it is a good thing to take money to yourself by force.

Try to focus even for once.

[Attila's Wife]

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So by your reasoning, your pastors are comparable to Stalin, since they use the money they take from the people in their church to fund their lavish lifestyle. All I did was saying if they want to have that, they should actually WORK for that and abstain from robbery and cheating.

I wouldn't have gone as far as comparing them to a mass murderer, and it amazes me that a christian does that.

Stalin may have done many bad things, but at least he helped us to defeat your people.

[krunsch]

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Stalin may have done many bad things, but at least he helped us to defeat your people.

Yep. He did. So? What has that got to do with the fact that those pastors are stealing money from their church to satisfy their craving for luxury?

[krunsch]

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Once again you cannot even follow up the thoughts you used yourself. That is not my reasoning. It was you who used Stalin as an example and said it is a good thing to take money to yourself by force.

Try to focus even for once.

It's probably not what you meant to say, I have to give you credit for that. But if you read my post and your post thoroughly, you will come to the conclusion that this follows logically (even though, as pointed out, it may not have been your intention)

[Basilissa]

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Yep. He did. So? What has that got to do with the fact that those pastors are stealing money from their church to satisfy their craving for luxury?

You are deeply mistaken, dear. Our Pastors are not stealing any money; they receive contributions from willing True Christians(tm) (never from unsaved Hellbound trash like you), and they cannot "steal" what they themselves received, do they? And they don't have craving for luxury, they just have the same basic needs as everybody else in a True Christian(tm) community. I won't post here pictures of my modest house, or mansions of other True Christians(tm) for security reasons, but believe me that we don't live in shacks!

[Alphonse Alban]

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It's probably not what you meant to say, I have to give you credit for that. But if you read my post and your post thoroughly, you will come to the conclusion that this follows logically (even though, as pointed out, it may not have been your intention)

Again you don't even know what you write and understand even less what you read. Or it maybe just that logical thinking is not your strong point.

Let's see what you said again, shall we.

I guess Stalin got one thing right when he persecuted the clergy.

Here we can see, that you say that taking property of people by force (sending owners to concentration camps, executions and so on) is a good thing. I understand that as a Nazi you endorse that type of behavior, but here is thing you again you missed. By force!

By force = taken by force
tithe = given willingly and happily

I'm sure that now even your thick Nazi head will see the difference.

You are welcome, I'm always happy to educate people in need.

[Thomas Taylor]

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Yep. He did. So? What has that got to do with the fact that those pastors are stealing money from their church to satisfy their craving for luxury?

Martin, Martin, Martin, so young, so full of vitriol and hatred, why? What has our church ever done to you to make you this way?

Just by the by, where in the Bible does it say that donations/tithes are to be used to feed and clothe the poor? Nowhere. That's right it does not appear.

This, however, does:

Nehemiah 10:38

And the priest the sonne of Aaron, shall be with the Leuites, when the Leuites take tithes, and the Leuites shal bring vp the tithe of the tithes vnto the house of our God, to the chambers into the treasure house

What does this tell you, hmmmm? Think about it before you answer.

[krunsch]

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Again you don't even know what you write and understand even less what you read. Or it maybe just that logical thinking is not your strong point.

Sic!

Let's see what you said again, shall we.

the money he [Stalin] took from his people to fund his palaces, banquets and all in all lavish lifestyle to separate him from the common people

That's what you wrote. If you don't believe me, check page 1 of this thread. It's right there.

That's what the pastors did:

misuse the money to indulge yourself

Plain and simple.

Imagine a democrat that you never elected is raising money to feed the homeless. Then it turns out he actually spend this money on a villa in the caribbean sea.

It's basically the same behaviour.

@Thomas Taylor

Just googled bible and feeding the hungry:

That's the first hit:

http://www.openbible.info/topics/feeding_the_hungry

So if you don't do that, you don't carry out the lord's will as written down in the bible, which you claim all the time.

As far as your question here goes

Martin, Martin, Martin, so young, so full of vitriol and hatred, why? What has our church ever done to you to make you this way?

Just look here:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=93921

Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=93221

Pray for the Netherlands to flood so my nephew will come home

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=14025&page=2

Atheists think is makes sense to give wheelchair retards the best parking spaces even though the lazy cripples don't even have to walk.

from 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

Then there is this thread:
Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?
And this answer sums it up pretty well:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=59978&page=27

It's infinitely more likely that an innocent girl that was murdered was let into heaven where she belongs, than a murderous snake that killed millions.

Still you are discussing this.

Then there is this thread:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=54668

Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter raped!

This list is anything but complete. I mean, I can live with the snide remarks towards people of different faith, I can live with a certain passive-aggressiveness towards anybody not sharing your belief, but I didn't get the impression that the above threads where entirely sarcastic.

In which case you are horrible, horrible people and have truly earned any disrespect and contempt I show towards you.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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In which case you are horrible, horrible people and have truly earned any disrespect and contempt I show towards you.

Typical crypto Stalinist hate speech.

Shame on you