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Rev. Jim Osborne 06-20-2010 11:40 PM

The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)
 
Matthew 7:1-5 Explained
The so-called "prohibition against judging"


As a long-time pastor and forum contributor here, time and time again I have seen unsaved scum waltz into here and tell us "Jesus said we shouldn't judge others". I then say, "Ok, can you show us Scripture to back up your claim?" They then respond with "Judge not that ye be not judged." This is nothing more than taking Scripture out of context.

Contrary to popular belief, Matthew 7:1-5 is not a prohibition against all judgment. These verses are a warning against hypocritical judgment, not judgment in itself. Jesus is saying we cannot judge others when we are guilty of the same sin. Let's look at the verses and I will guide you through them using my 45 years of pastoral experience and two doctorate degrees at the helm.
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
This basically says if you judge others, you will be judged accordingly. This makes sense. Of course, I can judge others and I welcome Christ to judge me, because I am free of sin (see 1 John 3:6-9). He can judge me all He wants.

We True Christians™ are perfect. Therefore we all welcome God to judge us!
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
This means hypocrisy. How can you judge another man for cheating on his wife when you do the same? A "mote" is a small speck of wood, while a "beam" is a large chunk of wood. Jesus is speaking in analogy here. How can you see the wood (sin) in your brother's eye when you have a larger one in your own?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Again, hypocrisy. Jesus is saying that hypocrisy clouds judgment. If you live in sin, you are not a True Christian™ and therefore are not granted the right to judge. You are filthy, disgusting, undeserving unsaved scum whose opinions do not matter. Jesus makes that very clear.
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Now read this last part very closely. This tells us that we can judge others! Jesus is saying to remove your own sin first, then you can judge others.

How can anyone say this is a prohibition against all judging, unless they were woefully ignorant of the Bible? Jesus makes it crystal clear that we cannot judge if we are hypocrites, and that to do righteous judgment instead (as True Christians™). Just read the very next verse in Matthew 7.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
How can we not judge when Jesus tells us to figure out who the dogs and swine are?


We CAN Judge Others!

Not only can you not find a single instance where judging in itself is prohibited, you find many verses which command us to judge!
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1st Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.
1st Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1st Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1st Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
...And so on. We can see from the verses above that God does allow judgment under certain conditions, namely: Only True Christians™ can judge. We are righteous (notice all the references to righteous judgment) and therefore the only ones capable of judging others. Conversely, those that are unsaved have no right to judge at all. So, God does have limits placed on judgment and those are the limits.

Again, I must point reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to judge. Period. I hope this exegesis of Matthew 7:1-5 has been enlightening for you and and you will refrain from looking like an idiot in the future by claiming that "Jesus said we can't judge others".

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Jim Osborne

Nobar King 06-21-2010 12:03 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
There's a reason why people don't like being judged: they already feel bad about the things they have done. That's why people get so defensive when you tell them that they're doing it wrong.

You would think that people would be more receptive to good moral advice.

Brother Barnabus 06-21-2010 01:32 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
Thanks for the enlightenment Reverend Jim...... Now bring in the next Godless heathen, sinning, trash so's we can rip them a new one!

Praise Jesus, Amen

StarrKingGrad 06-21-2010 11:02 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
Consider the example Christ sets in John 12:47:

...if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

What about James 4:12, in which we are asked:

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Or Romans 2:1, in which Paul instructs:

...thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

It seems to me that the hypocrisy here is that a man of as sinful a nature as Reverend James Osborne claims perfection yet castigates his fellow sinners.

Benedict A. Davis 06-22-2010 12:04 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by StarrKingGrad (Post 543966)
Consider the example Christ sets in John 12:47:

...if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
What about James 4:12, in which we are asked:

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Or Romans 2:1, in which Paul instructs:

...thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

It seems to me that the hypocrisy here is that a man of as sinful a nature as Reverend James Osborne claims perfection yet castigates his fellow sinners.

If one reads just your first example I believe anyone would see that the Lord is restating his'' judge not '' scripture That Reverend Jim so fully explained above. Jesus is saying that he is not going to waste his time on unbelievers, but will save his followers which are the world to him.

Jedediah 06-22-2010 05:36 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by StarrKingGrad (Post 543966)
Consider the example Christ sets in John 12:47:

...if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

What about James 4:12, in which we are asked:

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Or Romans 2:1, in which Paul instructs:

...thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

It seems to me that the hypocrisy here is that a man of as sinful a nature as Reverend James Osborne claims perfection yet castigates his fellow sinners.

You have missed Rev. Osborne's point entirely, my deluded friend. There is no hypocrisy, as we True Christians™ are washed of our sin by the Blood of Jesus. It is not Rev. Osborne or any of the rest of us that claim perfection - the Holy Bible tells us that we are perfect! Are you so prideful of your fallacious interpretation of God's Word that you would claim that the KJV 1611 contains inconsistencies or contradictions? On what authority do you choose to ignore the Scripture that Rev. Osborne provided above for your benefit?

Like many false Christians before you, you take Holy Scripture out of context to support your preconceived notions about your false marihuana-smoking, tree-hugging, socialist, hippy Jesus.

John 12:47-49
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Here, the Christ is speaking of the LORD's Judgment during the End Times. The Final Judgment is not to be confused with the righteous judgment of God's perfect children. When we judge, it is generally in the context of II Timothy 4 - to reprove false doctrine, rebuke unsaved trash, and exhort one another in Holiness by pointing out the flaws in others. As the LORD commands that we abide by secular law (Romans 13:2-6, Hebrews 13:17, etc.), we are currently prohibited from carrying out many of His dictates (e.g., toward witches, unrepentant homosexuals, adulterers, sass-mouthed teenagers). But when the day comes that His Chosen Nation returns to its roots and embraces Biblical Law, we True Christians™ will be front and center, ready to carry out the Will of God in righteousness!

In the verse from James 4 that you attempt to twist to suit your own distorted understanding, you fail to consider the audience to whom he spake. Verses 1 through 5 of Chapter 4 make it clear that James is speaking to unsaved trash - pugnacious, envious, desirous, lustful, adulterers. Even if we don't consider the distinction between God's Final Judgment and the righteous judgment of True Christians™, we can see that nobody in James' audience is fit to judge. However, if Rev. Osborne, myself, or any of the other True Christians™ in our congregation were to be asked a similar question, rest assured. We would stand up and accept our charge of meting out righteous judgment! God wills it.

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Once again,your feeble attempt to twist Holy Scripture to support your false hippy Jesus fails. Like Rev. Osborne said above, we True Christians™ welcome God's Final Judgment! For when we are Judged by Him, we will take our place at the foot of His Throne! God's Judgment isn't so scary when you are perfect, but I don't suppose that's something you can possibly comprehend.

Son, if you continue the path you are on, you are in for a very unpleasant surprise when you die. Your false hippy Jesus will pass you a "dooby" and offer you a "toke." While you commit this sin, he will reveal his true demon form, mock you for being so easily deceived, grab you by the ankle and hurtle you into the fiery pits of hell!!

This isn't what we want for you, friend. We want you to join us in Heaven, at the bosom of Jesus. We want you to quit your vain distorting of Scripture and for you to accept the Word of God as given in the KJV 1611 in its entirety. So, friend, won't you please put down the marihuana cigarettes and spend more time glorifying God and reading His Word? Jesus and I love you, and we want you to join us. You too can be a perfect True Christian™ if you will only accept Him and follow all of the instructions He left us, His Chosen Elect.

YIC

BeboopBerkins 10-24-2010 10:24 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
Could one say that the creation story could be out of context???

Besides you guys are idiots morals are subjective

plus you guys smell

Ezekiel Bathfire 10-24-2010 10:28 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by BeboopBerkins (Post 623055)
Could one say that the creation story could be out of context???

No, it is perfectly in the context of Genesis; the foundation of Christianity.

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Besides you guys are idiots morals are subjective
Morals are given to us by God and are absolute.

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plus you guys smell
Children under 18 and those with an IQ of less than 75 should not attempt levity. :thumbdown:

handmaiden 10-24-2010 10:33 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by BeboopBerkins (Post 623055)
Could one say that the creation story could be out of context???

Besides you guys are idiots morals are subjective

plus you guys smell

We bow before such pithy and pointed comments. All the world will now abandon its various ideologies and pursuits and sit at your feet, thirsting for drop of your ancient wisdom.

Straightfacedly Yours,

Handmaiden

BelieverInGod 10-24-2010 11:39 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by BeboopBerkins (Post 623055)
plus you guys smell

I believe that may be the brimstone of Hell that you're smelling. Demons tend to get rather upset when their posesee comes onto our boards.

Nachodemon 10-28-2010 08:25 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by Nobar King (Post 543499)
There's a reason why people don't like being judged: they already feel bad about the things they have done. That's why people get so defensive when you tell them that they're doing it wrong.

You would think that people would be more receptive to good moral advice.

Christianity. You sir, are doing it wrong.

Lest thou' get too much egotistical thoughts, yee' must confess to being thy badgering old fool, lest yee' burn in eternal hellfire.

I now must state that just because the bible gave people the option of judgement, in no way did it command it, that is a morality issue. I find it accurate to say that there is a reason this country is not fully Christian, being that the ones that are here are judgemental pricks who think themselves perfect and without fault, which is a fault in itself. But it's not my problem, for the LORD shall judge thou' judges, much like vigilants for an unjust cause in a court of law, it is your lives that shall be wasted in eternal hellfire with your attitude of carelessness and egotisticalness.

Levi Jones 10-28-2010 08:30 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by Nachogod (Post 625628)
Christianity. You sir, are doing it wrong.

Lest thou' get too much egotistical thoughts, yee' must confess to being thy badgering old fool, lest yee' burn in eternal hellfire.

I now must state that just because the bible gave people the option of judgement, in no way did it command it, that is a morality issue. I find it accurate to say that there is a reason this country is not fully Christian, being that the ones that are here are judgemental pricks who think themselves perfect and without fault, which is a fault in itself. But it's not my problem, for the LORD shall judge thou' judges, much like vigilants for an unjust cause in a court of law, it is your lives that shall be wasted in eternal hellfire with your attitude of carelessness and egotisticalness.

True Christians are perfect if you actually bother to read the Bible. :rtfm:

BelieverInGod 10-29-2010 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nachogod (Post 625628)
Lest thou' get too much egotistical thoughts, yee' must confess to being thy badgering old fool, lest yee' burn in eternal hellfire.

Yeah, that's not in my Bible. In fact it seems that you made it up.

Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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I now must state that just because the bible gave people the option of judgement, in no way did it command it, that is a morality issue.
Wrong again.

2nd Timothy 4:1-2 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.



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I find it accurate to say that there is a reason this country is not fully Christian, being that the ones that are here are judgemental pricks who think themselves perfect and without fault, which is a fault in itself. But it's not my problem, for the LORD shall judge thou' judges, much like vigilants for an unjust cause in a court of law, it is your lives that shall be wasted in eternal hellfire with your attitude of carelessness and egotisticalness.
Not sure exactly what you're trying to say here. Are your demons becoming riled?

Booger 03-27-2011 08:03 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
wow you think your perfect? i thought only god and jesus were perfect...so now your saying your god? haha i believe your going to hell for saying that ;)

Ezekiel Bathfire 03-27-2011 08:27 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
I have no idea where you get the idea of us humans being able to attain perfection, but, "Once Save, Always Saved" so that's enough to get into Heaven. :thumbsup:

Pastor Ezekiel 03-27-2011 08:40 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 719045)
wow you think your perfect? i thought only god and jesus were perfect...so now your saying your god? haha i believe your going to hell for saying that ;)

Friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says). We are washed clean of sin in His blood. Shout GLORY! :yahoo:

Booger 03-27-2011 08:50 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by Levi Jones (Post 625629)
True Christians are perfect if you actually bother to read the Bible. :rtfm:



yea thats saying your perfect...lol

Pastor Ezekiel 03-27-2011 08:53 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 719083)
yea thats saying your perfect...lol

The Holy Bible says what it says. Do you presume to know more than God? :huh:

Booger 03-27-2011 09:01 PM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
are you seriously proud in yourself for how you berate others? doesnt that mean your damned to hell? and your no stud either buddy...you look like a cancer patient...have fun with your naive thoughts :sarcasm:

:jesus: thats funny looking

Pastor Isaac Peters 03-31-2011 01:06 AM

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-
 
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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 719090)
are you seriously proud in yourself for how you berate others? doesnt that mean your damned to hell? (ad hominem arguments snipped)

I have a fun new idea. Maybe you can read the Bible verses that have been cited to you and find out.


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