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Cranky Old Man 04-08-2011 02:27 PM

Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)
 
Obama worshipers have been busy for years and years now, destroying our once proud American Christian family values. One of the unfounded myths they have been spreading is that you are not allowed to impregnate your own daughter.

This is of course utter nonsense. The Holy Bible is very clear about impregnating your own daughter being fully allowed!

Lot was a just and righteous man. (2nd Peter 2:7-8) He was the only man that God saved from the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19:15) So clearly Lot is the kind of man we should all aspire to be. In Genesis 19:32-36 we can read that Lot impregnated both his virgin daughters. The Bible raises no objections against this. Both had male children who were identified as progenitors of the Moab and Ammon people.

Not all forms of "incest", as hippies like to call it, are allowed though. A mother having sex with her son is, of course, punishable by death (Leviticus 20:11). Just the thought of this is enough to make me puke! :icon8: Having sex with your daughter in law is not allowed either (Leviticus 20:12) as is having sex with both a mother and her daughter (Leviticus 20:14). But clearly there are no objections whatsoever to having sex with your own daughter. Why else, in a perfect Bible, would God give a long list of people forbidden to have sex with and exclude daughters!

There are some mistranslated versions of the Bible where Leviticus 18:6 is twisted into forbidding sex with relatives. Effectively forbidding you to impregnate even your own wife. Fortunately the only true version of God's word, the King James 1611, has no such objections. It just mentions you should not undress your daughter, simply a matter of commanding her to undress herself instead.

Booger 04-08-2011 02:45 PM

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36
 
Lol wow I now see why you look like you do...all those years of incest in your family really ruined your DNA...oh I'm sorry DNA is Deoxyribonucleic acid which is the building blocks of life...I'll give you a quick lesson on it...When you bang your daughter, she will have retard babies through inbreeding. And I thought you guys hated retards? Apparently not enough to keep making them in your community ;)

Cranky Old Man 04-08-2011 02:52 PM

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36
 
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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 727864)
Lol wow I now see why you look like you do...all those years of incest in your family really ruined your DNA...oh I'm sorry DNA is Deoxyribonucleic acid which is the building blocks of life...I'll give you a quick lesson on it...When you bang your daughter, she will have retard babies through inbreeding. And I thought you guys hated retards? Apparently not enough to keep making them in your community

DNA is a myth. They claim it is too small to see with the naked eye but the truth is it doesn't exist. As the Bible clearly shows there are no disadvantages to impregnating your own daughter.

Pure_Angel 04-08-2011 03:01 PM

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Enlightening indeed! But... can you just impregnate your daughter, or do your daughters have to get you drunk and by their drunken fathers help impregenate themselves? As in the story of Lot, Genesis 19:32-36.
I am sorry for asking, but I want to understand so that no one will get mad at me if I say the wrong thing.

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

Billy Bob Jenkins 04-08-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure_Angel (Post 727870)
Enlightening indeed! But... can you just impregnate your daughter, or do your daughters have to get you drunk and by their drunken fathers help impregenate themselves? As in the story of Lot, Genesis 19:32-36.
I am sorry for asking, but I want to understand so that no one will get mad at me if I say the wrong thing.

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

I think it is best to be drunk, just to be on the safe side.

Jack O'fagan 04-08-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 727856)

This is of course utter nonsense. The Holy Bible is very clear about impregnating your own daughter being fully allowed!

Lot was a just and righteous man. (2nd Peter 2:7-8) He was the only man that God saved from the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19:15) So clearly Lot is the kind of man we should all aspire to be. In Genesis 19:32-36 we can read that Lot impregnated both his virgin daughters. The Bible raises no objections against this. Both had male children who were identified as progenitors of the Moab and Ammon people.


Cranky Old Man, I too have thought about this passage. His daughters actually instigated the act and gave him wine to get him drunk before they had sex with him. Although he was obviously not drunk enough that he couldn't 'perform' so must have been a willing participant. As you say having sex with their father does not seem to be an issue but I am interested in your thoughts about them plying with drink first. As far as I can see there is no condemnation in Genesis for them doing this.

YiC

Jack

Booger 04-08-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 727867)
DNA is a myth. They claim it is too small to see with the naked eye but the truth is it doesn't exist. As the Bible clearly shows there are no disadvantages to impregnating your own daughter.

Ohh I see now. All that inbreeding in your family really did a toll on you and your family, sorry to hear.

How else would they clone a sheep? Oh lemme guess...Satan! Haha I feel sorry for you, I really do!

And what proof do you have that DNA is a myth? Because it's not in the bible? Holy shit, cars aren't in the bible so they must be a myth too? How can you expect for anyone to take you seriously...

Two-Dollar Bill 04-08-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 727879)
Ohh I see now. All that inbreeding in your family really did a toll on you and your family, sorry to hear.

How else would they clone a sheep? Oh lemme guess...Satan! Haha I feel sorry for you, I really do!

And what proof do you have that DNA is a myth? Because it's not in the bible? Holy shit, cars aren't in the bible so they must be a myth too? How can you expect for anyone to take you seriously...

Such language. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

Cranky Old Man 04-08-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 727879)
How else would they clone a sheep? Oh lemme guess...Satan! Haha I feel sorry for you, I really do!

All sheep look the same. So when someone claims a sheep to be a clone, he is just lying. Probably to steal your tax money for "research". Research with sheep, yeah right.

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And what proof do you have that DNA is a myth?
How can you prove something does not exist!? Please prove to me the Easter Bunny does not exist.

Booger 04-08-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 727881)
How can you prove something does not exist!? Please prove to me the Easter Bunny does not exist.

Hahaha your not disproving DNA with that statement, in fact, your actually helping me by saying DNA is real...Thank you!

Titus Templeton 04-08-2011 07:53 PM

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36
 
Just a sidenote: Don't tell your wife about what happend or better send her away. My wife goes on vacation 2 times a year which gives me the opportunity to follow in Lots footsteps. I have 2 daughters.

Mundwode 04-08-2011 08:13 PM

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You already gave the scripture where it says that raping your daughter is wrong. Also, do not interpret the Bible to your liking. Just because Lot impregnated his daughters does not mean it is correct. That is only something you assume. Unless you can provide us with the scripture that says it is good or allowed to rape your daughter(s), then you are wrong. If we could all assume as much as you do then everyone would interpret the Bible and its messages differently.

Billy Bob Jenkins 04-08-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mundwode (Post 728058)
You already gave the scripture where it says that raping your daughter is wrong. Also, do not interpret the Bible to your liking. Just because Lot impregnated his daughters does not mean it is correct. That is only something you assume. Unless you can provide us with the scripture that says it is good or allowed to rape your daughter(s), then you are wrong. If we could all assume as much as you do then everyone would interpret the Bible and its messages differently.

In 2nd Peter, scripture tells us that Lot was just.

2 Peter 2:7 (King James Version)

7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Are you saying that you are right and the Bible is wrong?

TheMessenger 04-08-2011 08:43 PM

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"In Genesis 19:32-36 we can read that Lot impregnated both his virgin daughters. The Bible raises no objections against this. Both had male children who were identified as progenitors of the Moab and Ammon people."
^-- So Moab and Ammon were therefor both inbred and most probably retarded. Sorry to crush your dreams.
P.S Have you ever impregnated your daughter(s)?

Pure_Angel 04-08-2011 08:49 PM

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36
 
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Originally Posted by Mundwode (Post 728058)
You already gave the scripture where it says that raping your daughter is wrong. Also, do not interpret the Bible to your liking. Just because Lot impregnated his daughters does not mean it is correct. That is only something you assume. Unless you can provide us with the scripture that says it is good or allowed to rape your daughter(s), then you are wrong. If we could all assume as much as you do then everyone would interpret the Bible and its messages differently.

It's wrong to RAPE your daughters, but it's GOOD to impregnate them! And since Lot was the only man who was saved from Sodom and Gomorrah, he must have been a righteous man, alas what he did was right!

Brother Temperance 04-08-2011 09:20 PM

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I have serious problems with the title of this thread. Perhaps sometimes a man can impregnate his own daughters and there's no wrong-doing involved, but to simply sum the whole situation up as "NOT rape!" obscures the very real suffering of the many fathers who find themselves forced to impregnate their own daughters. I think we should all take a moment to stop and pray for all the poor, innocent fathers who find themselves the drunken victims of a vicious daughter-rape.

Samuel Coleridge 04-09-2011 01:37 AM

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I had come here to tell you how wrong you were, but for the life of me, I cannot find where it says you cannot uncover your own daughters nakedness. :bad:

Leviticus 18
4Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
5Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
6None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
11The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
17Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
18Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.


Surely, there is something against it.

Mundwode 04-09-2011 03:37 AM

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Precisely. Also, you claim to follow the Bible to the letter. Yet just now you interpreted something which wasn't clearly said in the Bible. Lot may have been a just man, but that still does not mean impregnating your own daughter is right. Not unless it says so in the Bible, which it doesn't. We have a lot of characters who were just yet they did not impregnate their daughters, are we because of this to assume that impregnating your daughter is not right? No, because it does not say so in the Bible. But because it says Levicitus 18:6 "‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD." it is not right. Also if there was no opinion on the matter, then we would need to follow this:
Romans 13:1
Romans 13:2
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

And in this case it would still be wrong.
Do not make assumptions, follow the Bible and what it says, instead. Only because you wish it said something you'd like does not mean it does.

Samuel Coleridge 04-09-2011 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mundwode (Post 728326)
Levicitus 18:6 "‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD." it is not right. Also if there was no opinion on the matter, then we would need to follow this

Yes, this makes sense as to why not. I looked and looked as to why your own daughter wouldn't be specifically mentioned, but I guess this is it.

I suppose all the rules must have taken place because of the places they were broken in the Bible?

6None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
Lot's daughters.

8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
Reuben did this to his father's wife. Gen. 35:22

15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Judah did this. 1 Chronicles 2; Genesis 38.

18Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
Both Jacob/Israel and Esau did this.

Mundwode 04-10-2011 01:01 PM

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I'm sorry, I'm not sure where you're going with this.


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