[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Trust me, friend, there is no trickery here. I come right out and say it. Jesus COMMANDED you to love everyone, including your enemies despite god's laws. It is your duty as a christian to love everyone, not to judge them, that is god's duty. It is without a doubt your requirement to love all of mankind, Jesus told you so. If you don't, you don't believe in Jesus, and you surely in no way are a christian.

I have no such requirement, because I have no imaginary tyrant dictating what I am to eat, who I can sleep with or not, and in what position, or condemning me in any way shape or form. I am a good person precisely because I choose to be, because I know it's right. I don't need daddy up in the clouds instructing me on such matters. Some people need such things in their lives, to be led by the ear and instructed with impudence on how to treat other people. You have a pretty good book that teaches these things, one that you say you follow and try to live up to, yet you still choose to call people fags and be a hateful person. You haven't learned a thing from Jesus, you are taking one line from a book written 1500 years before Jesus, a book that Jesus is in near flawless contradiction too, and apply that line to your belief system as if Jesus never existed.

Trickery? You should take a look at yourself before casting the first stone.

Jesus Christ was no outlaw. He upheld the doctrines of the Old Testament in every instance, except when He rescinded the dietary laws and found a loophole for the sacrificial laws. How does Jesus contradict the Old Testament?

See Matthew 5:19, James 2:10, and other verses.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Jesus COMMANDED you to love everyone, including your enemies despite god's laws.

And please tell us were we don't love these Hell bound scum?

I mean sure, we don't personally cuddle up to trash like atheists (you ever talk to one?) however we do love their souls and don't want to see them burn. I would say all things considered we TRUE Christians are rather polite to atheists.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Why would God hate me if He is everlasting love?

Because you are a disgusting degenerate pervert and God is not everlasting love for sinners. Making it up that God loves everyone forever doesn't make it true. Hell is there specifically for people who reject Christ's temporary death in order that they be saved from sin by repenting and being baptised.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Jesus Christ was no outlaw. He upheld the doctrines of the Old Testament in every instance, except when He rescinded the dietary laws and found a loophole for the sacrificial laws. How does Jesus contradict the Old Testament?

See Matthew 5:19, James 2:10, and other verses.

Please, for the love of god, listen to yourself. You literally just said that jesus, the son of god, found a LOOPHOLE in god's law? How can you possibly believe in god as an all-knowing, all powerful being, and then spout out that Jesus found a loophole in his all powerful will. At least if you're going to debate, use your words a little more carefully. There are no loopholes to god's laws. Again, if you believe that, you are no christian, and you don't believe in what you say you believe in.

From what I gather, which is exactly what I've gathered from so many christians, is that you don't believe in god, the one laid before you in the old testament, you believe only in jesus christ. So leave god out of it.

Be consistent. Please.

[Catherine Moore]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

I honestly believe this is the first time we have been accused of not following the Old Testament. Congratulations.

Incidentally, you should capitalise God.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Please, for the love of god, listen to yourself. You literally just said that jesus, the son of god, found a LOOPHOLE in god's law? How can you possibly believe in god as an all-knowing, all powerful being, and then spout out that Jesus found a loophole in his all powerful will. At least if you're going to debate, use your words a little more carefully. There are no loopholes to god's laws. Again, if you believe that, you are no christian, and you don't believe in what you say you believe in.

From what I gather, which is exactly what I've gathered from so many christians, is that you don't believe in god, the one laid before you in the old testament, you believe only in jesus christ. So leave god out of it.

Be consistent. Please.

Are you serious? You're accusing a True Christian™ of not believing in God? Of not following the whole Bible?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

...How can you possibly believe in God as an all-knowing, all powerful being, and then spout out that Jesus found a loophole in His all powerful will?...

Because Jesus is God (John 10:30).

Why are you over-complicating this? If these numptys can wrap their feeble brains around it, why can't you?

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

I honestly believe this is the first time we have been accused of not following the Old Testament. Congratulations.

Incidentally, you should capitalise God.

If you can give me a reason to capitalize god, I will. Do you honestly believe that god, the creator of the universe, would care if I capitalized his name or not? Sincerely.

And thank you for the congratulations, I am honored to come here and challenge your faith to the core. It deserves the challenge.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

If you can give me a reason to capitalize god, I will. Do you honestly believe that god, the creator of the universe, would care if I capitalized his name or not? Sincerely.

And thank you for the congratulations, I am honored to come here and challenge your faith to the core. It deserves the challenge.

Is the concept of simple good manners beyond you atheists? Or do you just delight in making shocking noises and being wilfully vexatious?

If you think your childish antics challenge anything then you are very much mistaken. You're doing it wrong.

You merely strengthen my resolve to laugh at people of your ilk along with Jesus when I am in Heaven.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Because Jesus is God (John 10:30).

Why are you over-complicating this? If these numptys can wrap their feeble brains around it, why can't you?

I hope you're trolling. So your logic is that god found a loophole in god's own law? So by saying that, none of the laws that god ever created are without repudiation because there are loopholes in them, but only god can find them. So in essence, god is his own false prophet, who claims to know everything about the universe and says so, but then also says he is wrong sometimes.

So, I think I just pretty clearly pointed out that I'm not the one over-complicating anything.

I suppose this is too simple for people to understand... There is no god, just love one another.

[Catherine Moore]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

If you can give me a reason to capitalize god, I will. Do you honestly believe that god, the creator of the universe, would care if I capitalized his name or not? Sincerely.

And thank you for the congratulations, I am honored to come here and challenge your faith to the core. It deserves the challenge.

God is a proper noun when referring to God and as such should be capitalised. This isn't a religious point, its an English point. I do think He (the capital there is a religious point) would care though. He (not a religious point in this case - simply the start of a sentence, but I would have capitalised anyway) created language and would expect us to use it properly.

You haven't challenged my faith to the core. I accept it deserves a challenge but as of this moment I've put you in the category of "people who don't know what they're talking about" not "people who challenge my faith to the core". Not that that can't change later, but for the moment thats how it is.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Is the concept of simple good manners beyond you atheists? Or do you just delight in making shocking noises and being wilfully vexatious?

If you think your childish antics challenge anything then you are very much mistaken. You're doing it wrong.

You merely strengthen my resolve to laugh at people of your ilk along with Jesus when I am in Heaven.

Trust me sir that there is nothing childish within me. I let go of childish things when I became an adult. Nothing that I've typed here today is in any way shape or form an antic. There is hate and intolerance in the words that you and some of the other people on this forum spout, and I came here to call you out on it. If you read my posts, you will see very clearly that I am a bid fan of Jesus, I am simply not a big fan of people who claim power of him by wielding their own ignorant, immature, and hateful opinions in his name. Jesus would have befriended any "fag" he met, and love him, yet you spit in their faces and curse them to eternal damnation as if you make those judgments.

You are no christian, no lover of human kind, no meek and mild healer of the sick. You are a false god, one who has taken his word and built your own temple with it, and claimed it for your own. You have no right here to condemn, you have only the right to repent for your sins, sinner, and leave the rest to the father almighty.

Just because you claim to have god on your side does not make you righteous. Look inward.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Trust me sir that there is nothing childish within me. I let go of childish things when I became an adult. Nothing that I've typed here today is in any way shape or form an antic. There is hate and intolerance in the words that you and some of the other people on this forum spout, and I came here to call you out on it. If you read my posts, you will see very clearly that I am a bid fan of Jesus, I am simply not a big fan of people who claim power of him by wielding their own ignorant, immature, and hateful opinions in his name. Jesus would have befriended any "fag" he met, and love him, yet you spit in their faces and curse them to eternal damnation as if you make those judgments.

You are no christian, no lover of human kind, no meek and mild healer of the sick. You are a false god, one who has taken his word and built your own temple with it, and claimed it for your own. You have no right here to condemn, you have only the right to repent for your sins, sinner, and leave the rest to the father almighty.

Just because you claim to have god on your side does not make you righteous. Look inward.

How does quoting the Bible verbatim as an infallible record of what God thinks of homosexuality in any way commit a falsehood about the issue pertinent to this thread?

Why do you think you know better? What special insight did you have that is somehow denied to the rest of us about why God did mean this but didn't mean that?

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

How does quoting the Bible verbatim as an infallible record of what God thinks of homosexuality in any way commit a falsehood about the issue pertinent to this thread?

Why do you think you know better? What special insight did you have that is somehow denied to the rest of us about why God did mean this but didn't mean that?

Jesus Christ! I'm not the one claiming to know anything! That would be you! You cannot claim to know the meaning of god's word or will, simply because it was written in a book. You think you have taken the word of Jesus to heart, but you have not.

And what special insight do you have, that is denied the rest of us, about why god did mean this but didn't mean that? My insight comes from independent thought and reason, not from following words given to bronze aged people who thought an earthquake was god stomping his foot, and sacrificed rams in order for the rain to fall.

Further, if you claim the right to know the truth, and claim the right to "witness" to other people this truth, claim the right to pass judgement on others, then I claim the right to know the truth as well, the right to "witness" to you is within my power. Notice that in none of what I've said have I condemned you to eternal torment. I love you, truly, I care not what you think, or how you live, as long as you love others and treat them as would anyone else, but if you don't your punishment will be here and now, in your own heart, and at your own hand, not mine. I only want you to be free.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

My insight comes from independent thought and reason, not from following words

And there it is! In a nutshell, you are saying that the god you believe in (lower case on purpose since it's your made-up god, not the REAL God) is of your own creation. Well, way to go! Does this made-up god have a name?

You think you're so clever, don't you? Well fine, be that way. Live the rest of your pathetic life believing in your own personal god. Maybe he will be a comfort to you after our Lord sends you to Hell.