[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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I thought you'd gone?

Now I bid you farewell and it was nice talking with you

[Sheppard250]

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oh btw did you use soap? and did you forget to brush behind your toenails? cause alot of people forget to

[Redeemed Papist]

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LOL well you are, you think you are superior when you are not, NAZIs thought they were superior, ring a bell?!?!?!?

The Bible tells us we are superior. Our names will be in the book of life whereas you will be in the fire.

Revelation 20:11-15
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[Alvin Moss]

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You might find out that Roman Catholics are Christians due to the Roman Emperror at the time adopted Christianty and changed it a bit

Christianty
God
Mary - Mother of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ

Roman Catholics
Virgin Mary i.e Mother of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ

Both religions read from the bible

I have been to Christian Church and Catholics Masses

Very impressive.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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This makes me so laugh reason why I don't believe in a religion. it divides ppl, you say to me that me telling the truth, only if it fits your truth, your truth doesn't mean it is the truth.

So truth is personalized now? If I say that it is the truth that the one mediator between God and man is Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5), but a Catholic says that it is the truth that Mary is the co-mediatrix, one of those "truths" has to be wrong.

I should respect my superiors ("True Christians")?
Why should I respect them when they don't respect me?
Why should gay ppl respect you when you don't respect them?
Why should gay ppl respect your rights when you don't respect theirs?
"The child should always respect their parents"
Why should the child respect the parents when the Parents don't respect the child?
"We should always respect our Elders"
Why should we respect our Elders when our elders doesn't respect us?

Because God says so.

[Goof4pj]

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Hello,

I will be refuting your claims one by one. I think that two a day would be a fair amount. Before I start, I would like to say that "Roman Catholic Church" should be capitalized because it is a name. Even if you hate the church please use second grade capitalization because even they know to capitalize names.

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
* * * *

Ok. It is easy to see that Jesus condemns calling people father. Yes? Well, when it is taken out of context it appears that way. When you read the whole passage you will see that it is a hyperbole used to condemn the Sadducees and is used to tell us to humble ourselves before God. Say you don't believe me. Jesus repeatedly calls people "father" or "fathers" in the Bible. Are you calling Jesus a hypocrite?

CATHOLIC TRADITION - Forbidding the priesthood to marry.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

1) It is devilish to forbid God's people to marry when He has given marriage to be received with thanksgiving.

1 Timothy
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

2) Peter was married (remember the pope is supposedly continuing the apostolic line through Peter).

Matthew
8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark
1:30 But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.

Luke
4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.

3) Paul, a great apostle, remained single; however he made it very clear that he could marry if he wanted to.

1 Corinthians
9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

In Matthew 19:12 you would see Jesus praising eunuchs. "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Jesus is saying that those who could seek the single life should embrace it for God. Furthermore, not all Catholic priests are non married. Priests in the Byzantine Rite and other eastern rites can marry. It is only the Latin Rite where they do not marry.

[Goof4pj]

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Jim in Texas, you are talking to True Christians™ on this site. We do not misunderstand Scripture. We are trained in reading the Scripture by a Biblical scholar known around the world, Pastor Zeke.

Nevertheless, because you a Catholic, we are praying for your soul.

I cannot tell if you are trying to be funny or not. If you are trying to be funny, kudos. If you are not, who trained Pastor Zeke to read the scripture?

[Alvin Moss]

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Hello,

I will be refuting your claims one by one. I think that two a day would be a fair amount. Before I start, I would like to say that "Roman Catholic Church" should be capitalized because it is a name. Even if you hate the church please use second grade capitalization because even they know to capitalize names.

Ok. It is easy to see that Jesus condemns calling people father. Yes? Well, when it is taken out of context it appears that way. When you read the whole passage you will see that it is a hyperbole used to condemn the Sadducees and is used to tell us to humble ourselves before God. Say you don't believe me. Jesus repeatedly calls people "father" or "fathers" in the Bible. Are you calling Jesus a hypocrite?



In Matthew 19:12 you would see Jesus praising eunuchs. "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Jesus is saying that those who could seek the single life should embrace it for God. Furthermore, not all Catholic priests are non married. Priests in the Byzantine Rite and other eastern rites can marry. It is only the Latin Rite where they do not marry.

Kindly refrain from abusing God's word with false scripture.


Clearly, you take yourself very seriously. Please excuse us if we have a hard time taking yet another expert come to school us seriously. You are a fool and you will go to Hell for your sins, which are no doubt many- unless you come to Jesus.


God Bless!

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Well, when it is taken out of context it appears that way.

You're confused, dear. I know, because I used to be Catholic. Catholics know the story of their history, they learn to be fascinated with barbaric death, they are brainwashed into actually believing their piece of bread is the body of Jesus (even though it clearly is just bread, as even a Catholic can see). The moment the Holy Bible sheds light on the pagan, cultish reality of your religion, you cry "Context!"

The truth of the matter is, the Holy Bible offers only One Holy Truth. The context is quite clear when read properly, and that Truth is not represented in the Catholic faith. The Lord tells us (through an ancient form of Holy Dictation) that we have all sinned; we have all committed evil acts (Romans 3:10-18). Because God is perfect and the ultimate in Goodness (Psalm 100:5; Psalm 106:1; Psalm 107:1; Psalm 135:3; 1 Chronicles 16:34; ), He is disgusted and enraged at our sinfulness. Essentially, He can’t stand us, and because He is God, He doesn’t have to because no one can make Him. He has decided that we deserve nothing less than eternal torture, and pain, and agony for having made a perfect God uncomfortable with the way we are not similarly perfect. The only appropriate punishment for sins committed against an infinite and eternal God is an infinite and eternal punishment (Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:11-15). This is why God created Hell. It’s only fair after all.

Jesus Christ came to earth and died in our place, not to organize a corrupt corporation called the Catholic Church. He didn’t have to do so, but He chose to do so. Jesus and God worked out The Ultimate Plan (2 Corinthians 5:21) because they’re pretty tight, being the Same Person (John 10:30), yet Different Persons (John 17:1). This plan was decided some time before we were ever born. It doesn’t really matter, since we probably wouldn’t have been consulted anyway, but They/He decided that Jesus would die temporarily to pay the penalty for our sins (Romans 5:8) so that God could forget all about them (Isaiah 65:17; Isaiah 43:25). Jesus paid the penalty He determined He (as God) required just so that we would not have to. Wasn’t that sweet?!?

Jesus' resurrection from the dead just goes to show that His death was sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. No mere human could have done that, thus proving Jesus is the one and only Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Furthermore, the Lord Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Hebrews 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Peter 2:5). Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians through His completed work on Calvary (Hebrews 10:10-11). All priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural.

Now, I would suggest you start reading the Holy Bible, all of it. We know that "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17). So to be safe, perhaps you should read the Holy Bible out loud so you can also hear it. Then you will have faith, and then you can be Saved!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I cannot tell if you are trying to be funny or not. If you are trying to be funny, kudos. If you are not, who trained Pastor Zeke to read the scripture?

I was Blessed by the Holy Spirit at a young age, then went on to attend Seminary.

Now, please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[kehei1]

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You people argue that catholics are not Christian on Biblical grounds.

But it is the catholic church that has assembled and fixed the canonical books of the bible, and given it the status of Word of God.


So, here is the problem:

If you are wrong, then catholics are christians.

If you are right, then you deny the church its authority. Therefore you deny the very authority that has declared that the books of the Bible were the word of God. Therefore, you no longer have any grounds to believe that the Bible is the word of God. Therefore you cannot refute catholicism using the Bible.

Now I have seen OBSCENE amounts of sheer HATE and LOATHING on this site. You people are clearly the devil's agents. Instead of trying to change the world through love you are responding to evil by spreading even more evil.
Romans 12:21

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.



You claim to be faithful to the Bible, but you only obey the parts which fuel and justify your feelings of hate.

This is normal, for the Bible must be INTERPRETED correctly, and god has given us the Holy Catholic Church to be the safekeeper of the right interpretation. (See the catechism of the catholic church). But you people have no guides, thus you misunderstand the Bible and become nothing more than hateful and condescending agents of fear and hate.

You view yourselves as the absolute Elite of the world, and see others as "unsaved trash".....thus proving that your Hubris is incredibly great. And Hubris is the very sin that made the angel lucifer turn away from god and fall into the pits of hell....


Convert, or you will end up in the same place as him.

[Didymus Much]

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You people argue that catholics are not Christian on Biblical grounds.

But it is the catholic church that has assembled and fixed the canonical books of the bible, and given it the status of Word of God...

Then why do they (as clearly demonstrated in the OP) ignore what the Bible plainly says about many different subjects?

Is a Christian someone who believes the Bible is the Word of God, and follows the instructions contained therein, faithfully and to the letter?

Or is a Christian someone who says, "My great-great-great-umpteen-great-grandfather picked the books of the Bible, but we've been ignoring it ever since, and I'm sure God's OK with that (because I haven't read it so I don't know any better, and I just go LALALALALAcan'thearyou when someone points out really inconvenient stuff like James 2:10)"?

[Elmer G. White]

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You people argue that catholics are not Christian on Biblical grounds.

But it is the catholic church that has assembled and fixed the canonical books of the bible, and given it the status of Word of God...
If you are right, then you deny the church its authority. Therefore you deny the very authority that has declared that the books of the Bible were the word of God. Therefore, you no longer have any grounds to believe that the Bible is the word of God. Therefore you cannot refute catholicism using the Bible... This is normal, for the Bible must be INTERPRETED correctly, and god has given us the Holy Catholic Church to be the safekeeper of the right interpretation. (See the catechism of the catholic church). But you people have no guides, thus you misunderstand the Bible...

It is a sad day when our residing atheist Mr. Much has to teach the basic fundaments of Christianity to a false Christian.


Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

We'll get back to that.

First, the genetic fallacy. Just because something was originally associated with something else, their continued association is not a logical necessity. Even if (big if) the canon was determined by cat licks, there is absolutely no logical need that the present day catholicism would be necessary for its continued presence. In fact, during the millenia, the cat lick religion has degenerated so much that all association to the Bible has been almost lost. They have introduced polytheism. Its strong form is Mary-worship, its middle ground pope worship and at the grassroot level the worship of saints.

Go back to the verse above. False prophets, false miracle makers, the curia investigating wannabe saints and ex-popes for miracles conjured by men. Ring any bells?

Fortunately, God showed you the way here. Although Rapture is nigh, there is still time to REPENT. The clock is ticking starting NOW!




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Sapientia]

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The so called Catlick church, The Mother of Whoredoms, lead by the Anti-Christ, the vicar of Rome has never been Christian - it is its own religion, quite separated from Christianity. It discards the Holy Bible and writes its own rubbish as a mockery of God.

Archbishop Ussher 1664:"The religion of the papists is superstitious and idolatrous; their faith and doctrine erroneous and heretical; their church in respect of both, apostatical; to give them therefore a toleration, or to consent that they may freely exercise their religion, and profess their faith and doctrine, is a grievous sin."

All papists, men, women, children, the sick, stupid, lame and lazy, will burn in Hell-Fire.

What about Episcopalians?

[Jim Farmer]

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What about them?