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  • Leviathan
    Confirmed Enemy of God
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    • Aug 2009
    • 8

    #16
    Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

    Originally posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben View Post
    How can something be "pretty much" fact? Something either is a fact or it isn't. Anyway, we have hard numbers on our side, and all you have is your assertion that something is "pretty much" fact.


    Pastor Billy-Reuben
    Figure of speech dear Pastor... So you have a lot of believers, that just proves a lot of people are wrong.

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    • Leviathan
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      • Aug 2009
      • 8

      #17
      Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

      Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
      As PBR pointed out more speculation. Give me proof that God doesn't exist.
      You want 'pouf'? That a religious term?

      Firstly - check out this essay - just food for thought, not all deciding of course: http://www.atheist.net/article/article_352.html

      Secondly - prove to me god does exist. A book on a real being written by a fellow human doesn't cut it I'm afraid, I want actual proof.

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      • Pastor Billy-Reuben
        Senior Pastor
        VP of Evangelical Outreach
        On FIRE for Jesus
        True Christian™
        • Sep 2006
        • 5812

        #18
        Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

        Originally posted by Leviathan View Post
        Figure of speech dear Pastor... So you have a lot of believers, that just proves a lot of people are wrong.
        I didn't mean hard numbers as in number of followers. I meant the numbers in the post in the beginning of the thread, which you have yet to attempt to dispute.

        Originally posted by Leviathan View Post
        Secondly - prove to me god does exist. A book on a real being written by a fellow human doesn't cut it I'm afraid, I want actual proof.
        Wait a minute. You said that science has proved that God does not exist. Now that we have called you on it, your best response is, "prove to me god does exist". You painted yourself into this corner -- we're not going to let you out that easily. Please answer my questions in this post.

        Pastor Billy-Reuben
        Upon request I will cite scripture for all these facts in God's Holy Word.

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        • Ezekiel Bathfire
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          • Jan 2008
          • 22867

          #19
          Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

          Originally posted by Leviathan View Post
          [...]I want actual proof.
          Can you tell us what would serve as proof for you?
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          • Bobby-Joe
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            • Sep 2006
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            #20
            Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

            Originally posted by Leviathan View Post
            You want 'pouf'? That a religious term?

            Firstly - check out this essay - just food for thought, not all deciding of course: http://www.atheist.net/article/article_352.html

            Secondly - prove to me god does exist. A book on a real being written by a fellow human doesn't cut it I'm afraid, I want actual proof.
            We're still waiting for your proof Leviathan.

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            • Rev_JTB
              Unsaved trash, NOT a Reverend
              Under Investigation
              • Aug 2009
              • 10

              #21
              Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

              Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
              Can you tell us what would serve as proof for you?
              Observable, empirical, measurable, reproducable proof
              Screw the mods

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              • Pastor Ezekiel
                Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                 
                • Sep 2006
                • 78553

                #22
                Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                Originally posted by Rev_JTB View Post
                Observable, empirical, measurable, reproducable proof
                And exactly what sort of "REV" are you, who demands secular "proof" of God's majesty?

                Troll much?
                Who Will Jesus Damn?

                Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                • TinyJay
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                  • Sep 2009
                  • 112

                  #23
                  Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                  The universe was created in 6 days ?
                  How old is the earth?
                  How old is mankind?
                  how do we explain the existence of the caveman?
                  How do we explain the existence of art works(early mans paintings on cave walls)?
                  How do we disprove the existence of dinosaurs and the possibility of evolution?
                  How do we prove the divinity of Jesus ?
                  If not for evolution how do we explain the various races around the globe?(after all we all are direct descendants of Adam and Eve)

                  If we are indeed direct descendants of Adam and Eve would we not all be of Middle Eastern descent?

                  The cradle of mankind seems to be in Africa,that is where the earliest evidence of mankind has been found.The cradle of Religion seems to be in the Middle East(Iraq) in the area of The Euphrates river.Is that not the area where The Garden of Eden was to have existed?
                  How can there be a difference between the two?


                  Some thing to ponder
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                  • Pastor Billy-Reuben
                    Senior Pastor
                    VP of Evangelical Outreach
                    On FIRE for Jesus
                    True Christian™
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 5812

                    #24
                    Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                    Thank you for your questions, BigJay.

                    BigJay: The universe was created in 6 days ?
                    Yes.

                    BigJay: How old is the earth?
                    6,012 years and 311 days.

                    BigJay: How old is mankind?
                    6,012 years and 308 days.

                    BigJay: how do we explain the existence of the caveman?
                    Descendants of Cain, all wiped out in the flood.

                    BigJay: How do we explain the existence of art works(early mans paintings on cave walls)?
                    What's to explain?

                    BigJay: How do we disprove the existence of dinosaurs and the possibility of evolution?
                    Two different things. We don't disprove dinosaurs because they existed and are mentioned in the Bible.

                    Microevolution, or variations within a kind, happen, so there's no need to try to disprove that. Macroevolution, or one kind of animal evolving into a different kind has never been observed. I don't need to disprove it. Someone else needs to prove it. So far, that hasn't been done.

                    BigJay: How do we prove the divinity of Jesus ?

                    Two eyewitness accounts are good enough for a court of law. We have four eyewitness accounts as to the divinity of Jesus.

                    BigJay: If not for evolution how do we explain the various races around the globe?(after all we all are direct descendants of Adam and Eve)
                    That's microevolution, no different from various breeds of dog descending from wolves, and the topic has been explored in depth here.

                    BigJay: If we are indeed direct descendants of Adam and Eve would we not all be of Middle Eastern descent?
                    Yes, but please see my topic on where the races came from.

                    BigJay: The cradle of mankind seems to be in Africa,that is where the earliest evidence of mankind has been found.The cradle of Religion seems to be in the Middle East(Iraq) in the area of The Euphrates river.Is that not the area where The Garden of Eden was to have existed?
                    How can there be a difference between the two?

                    There can't be. I question the dating methods used by those who claim that the earliest evidence of mankind is in Africa.

                    Pastor Billy-Reuben
                    Upon request I will cite scripture for all these facts in God's Holy Word.

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                    • Rev. M. Rodimer
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                      • May 2008
                      • 13996

                      #25
                      Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                      Originally posted by BigJay View Post
                      The universe was created in 6 days ?
                      How old is the earth?
                      How old is mankind?
                      Yes, 6,000 years (roughly), and 5 days less than 6,000 years. Genesis 1-2.
                      how do we explain the existence of the caveman?
                      How do we explain the existence of art works(early mans paintings on cave walls)?
                      Um, some people lived in caves and painted on the walls?
                      How do we disprove the existence of dinosaurs and the possibility of evolution?
                      Who is trying to disprove the existence of dinosaurs? They drowned in the Flood.

                      Here's a picture from the Creation Museum, showing what life was like before the Flood, when people and dinosaurs coexisted.



                      And we all believe in microevolution; that is, changes within a species over time. Just look at dogs, for example! Or Michael Jackson!
                      How do we prove the divinity of Jesus ?
                      When you can walk on water, heal the blind, and turn water into wine, then we'll consider you as having disproven the divinity of Jesus.

                      Why don't you start by healing Trig Palin of Down Syndrome? What? You can't? Jesus will! (link in my signature)
                      If not for evolution how do we explain the various races around the globe?(after all we all are direct descendants of Adam and Eve)

                      If we are indeed direct descendants of Adam and Eve would we not all be of Middle Eastern descent?
                      I just told you that we all believe in microevolution. Can't you read?

                      The cradle of mankind seems to be in Africa,that is where the earliest evidence of mankind has been found.The cradle of Religion seems to be in the Middle East(Iraq) in the area of The Euphrates river.Is that not the area where The Garden of Eden was to have existed?
                      How can there be a difference between the two?
                      You can read the Bible and realize that God created lots of humans with the earth, and that Adam and Eve were special people created separately. There is no inconsistency except in your own mind.


                      Some thing to ponder
                      No, not really. More like some superficial stupidity of the ignorant.
                      Bible boring? Nonsense!
                      Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                      You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                      • TinyJay
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                        • Sep 2009
                        • 112

                        #26
                        Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                        So if the earth is 6012 years and 311 days old how do we explain carbon dating of dinosaur fossils dating back millions of years,and early mans remains a hundred thousand years give or take ?

                        Um, some people lived in caves and painted on the walls?
                        Carbon dating puts them far older than 6,012 years


                        When you can walk on water, heal the blind, and turn water into wine, then we'll consider you as having disproven the divinity of Jesus.

                        Is there factual proof the Jesus did those things other than the bible?If your proof is that of eyewitness,You can also find many examples of 2 or more people sighting UFOs at the same time. But does that make them factual?


                        BigJay: If we are indeed direct descendants of Adam and Eve would we not all be of Middle Eastern descent?
                        Yes, but please see my topic on where the races came from.
                        OK I have had a test done (DNA ) that shows that I am of European descent,not middle eastern


                        BigJay: The cradle of mankind seems to be in Africa,that is where the earliest evidence of mankind has been found.The cradle of Religion seems to be in the Middle East(Iraq) in the area of The Euphrates river.Is that not the area where The Garden of Eden was to have existed?
                        How can there be a difference between the two?

                        There can't be. I question the dating methods used by those who claim that the earliest evidence of mankind is in Africa.

                        Dr Leakey found bones of early mankind if Africa that predate any other.
                        these bones were dated using carbon dating.And are far older than 6,000 years
                        Rocks from around the globe also have been subjected to the same tests and show that the earth is far older than 6,012 years and 311 days old .How can that be if your math is indeed correct.


                        Here is a question to ponder. Why do the Christian holy days like Christmas and Easter coincide with the changing of seasons IE,the winter solstice and spring solstice ?

                        Were those dates created to help King James convert Pagans to Christianity ?
                        "Speaking words of wisdom LET IT BE" P. McCartney

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                        • Rev. M. Rodimer
                          Honorary True Christian™
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                          • May 2008
                          • 13996

                          #27
                          Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                          Originally posted by BigJay View Post
                          So if the earth is 6012 years and 311 days old how do we explain carbon dating of dinosaur fossils dating back millions of years,and early mans remains a hundred thousand years give or take ?
                          Your ignorance is showing.

                          Fossils can't be carbon-dated. Carbon dating is based on the assumed decay rate of the Carbon-14 isotope, which occurs over, at most, 50,000-60,000 years.

                          "Millions of years" can't be shown through radiometric dating methods. Further, fossils are mineralized; they are inorganic, and do not contain carbon.



                          Fossils are dated by guessing at the age of the layer of rock they're found in.

                          Is there factual proof the Jesus did those things other than the bible?If your proof is that of eyewitness,You can also find many examples of 2 or more people sighting UFOs at the same time. But does that make them factual?
                          There are multiple eyewitness accounts in the Bible of His miracles.

                          Examples of two or more people sighting UNIDENTIFIED Flying Objects are factual. Their assumptions about the nature of those UNIDENTIFIED Flying Objects are conjecture.

                          Your logical fallacy is showing.

                          BigJay: If we are indeed direct descendants of Adam and Eve would we not all be of Middle Eastern descent?


                          OK I have had a test done (DNA ) that shows that I am of European descent,not middle eastern
                          Microevolution. I already explained that. Or are you suggesting that Negroes are a separate species?

                          BigJay: The cradle of mankind seems to be in Africa,that is where the earliest evidence of mankind has been found.The cradle of Religion seems to be in the Middle East(Iraq) in the area of The Euphrates river.Is that not the area where The Garden of Eden was to have existed?
                          How can there be a difference between the two?



                          Dr Leakey found bones of early mankind if Africa that predate any other.
                          these bones were dated using carbon dating.And are far older than 6,000 years
                          Rocks from around the globe also have been subjected to the same tests and show that the earth is far older than 6,012 years and 311 days old .How can that be if your math is indeed correct.
                          Again, rocks cannot be carbon-dated. Radiometric dating relies upon organic matter, and is only good -- if it were accurate to begin with -- for 50,000 to 60,000 years.

                          Here, read about it. Beware, you might learn something!
                          Here is a question to ponder. Why do the Christian holy days like Christmas and Easter coincide with the changing of seasons IE,the winter solstice and spring solstice ?

                          Were those dates created to help King James convert Pagans to Christianity ?
                          That's not much of a question. It's pretty well acknowledged that early Christians set dates of celebration in alignment with the seasons. The dates aren't set in the Bible, you know.

                          Your ignorance is showing, yet again. King James converted England from Catholicism to Christianity, in the 1600s. True, Catholicism is pretty much paganism, but they like to think they're Christians. The dates of major Christian holidays had been set centuries earlier.
                          Bible boring? Nonsense!
                          Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                          You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                          • TinyJay
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                            • Sep 2009
                            • 112

                            #28
                            Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                            A closed mind is the greatest loss to mankind !
                            "Speaking words of wisdom LET IT BE" P. McCartney

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                            • Pastor Billy-Reuben
                              Senior Pastor
                              VP of Evangelical Outreach
                              On FIRE for Jesus
                              True Christian™
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 5812

                              #29
                              Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                              BigJay, you seem to have a lot of faith in carbon dating. Would you mind explaining to me, in your own words, how carbon dating works and how you know it is accurate? No searching, copying, and pasting please -- I can Google "carbon dating" and read the Wikipedia article myself. I want your explanation.

                              Originally posted by BigJay View Post
                              So if the earth is 6012 years and 311 days old how do we explain carbon dating of dinosaur fossils dating back millions of years,and early mans remains a hundred thousand years give or take ?
                              Also, would you care to explain, in your own words, how an isotope with a half-life of roughly 5730 years can show something to be hundreds of millions of years old?

                              Originally posted by BigJay View Post
                              OK I have had a test done (DNA ) that shows that I am of European descent,not middle eastern
                              Well hold on a minute -- I thought you said that humans originated from Africa. Why doesn't your DNA show that you are of African descent, then?

                              Originally posted by BigJay View Post
                              Here is a question to ponder. Why do the Christian holy days like Christmas and Easter coincide with the changing of seasons IE,the winter solstice and spring solstice ?
                              Here is a question for you to ponder -- what's another English that word shares an etymological root with "coincide"? The answer to my question is also the answer to yours.

                              Pastor Billy-Reuben
                              Upon request I will cite scripture for all these facts in God's Holy Word.

                              ✝ This is a Christian community and we worship GOD of the Holy bible, the only Living GOD. We worship Jesus Christ, Son of GOD and Savior. Anything else is absurd. ✝
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                              • Rev. M. Rodimer
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                                • May 2008
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                                #30
                                Re: Relativity Explains 6-Day Creation

                                Originally posted by BigJay View Post
                                A closed mind is the greatest loss to mankind !
                                Indeed!

                                So, will you open yours to facts, or will you keep believing that you can use Carbon-14 dating to establish the age of rocks which contain no carbon?
                                Bible boring? Nonsense!
                                Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                                You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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