[filip]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

How can we debate when you insist on dragging in "facts" from a theory in crises already discredited by the Discover Institute friend?

Don't feel like posting these discrediting counter facts or atleast a link then?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Don't feel like posting these discrediting counter facts or atleast a link then?

Much easier to give you the links friend so you can see for yourself (in case you have some wacky idea that we are somehow some rouge band of Christians extremists)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

http://www.discovery.org/

http://creationmuseum.org/

The Christians scientists there can explain it best.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Well, I'm sorry.

Apology accepted.

If we are not allowed to debate, why put it here at all?

Because there is nothing to debate. God is perfect, the Holy Bible is perfect, even if you don't think so.

Besides, just because it contains personal attacks it doesn't make my arguments or replies invalid.

Why is it that you atheists are all so angry and hateful? Christians are calm and filled with the love of Jesus.

[True Disciple]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Well, because I'm in a nice mood, I'm going to explain why some of your answers are dramatically wrong.

Are you playing stupid on purpose? All land animals, including those who occasionaly feed on humans, and deffinatly would feed on you when you bring a bible instead of a rifle into the woods... Also evolved from sea living organisms.

Yes, but according to evilutionist theories, they were hunted by sharks before they "evolved" into birds and snakes and dinosaurs and people.
Those "ancestors" would be one species, hunted by sharks. So, at the time they supposedly "crawled out of the sea," the sharks were their predators, and would have followed them, as it would definitely be "beneficial" for them to grow legs and pursue them.
However, we see that all sharks live in the sea, which conclusively proves evolution is a hoax for stupid atheists.

Tell that to the people who burned people for claiming that there was other planets.

What does that have to do with anything?

Anyhow, just because there once was liquids on Mars, why does that mean that the earth was once flooded. No logic there. Because the sun is yellow, why am I not?

Because Earth and Mars are both planets, and you are not a great hot glowing ball of coal, like the sun. If you were, you would be yellow too.

Define unsuccessful groups of stupid humans? I'm starting to doubt evolution simply because of the giant number of religions humans on the planet.

Stupidity is detrimental for the well-being of people, both now and in the past. A human living in an early age of creation wouldn't last long if he didn't realize that eating those bright-colored toads might be a bad idea. Stupid humans wouldn't realize this, so they would die out because of overconsumption of poisonous toads.
Likewise, a more modern human might realize that sticking a screwdriver into a plug connection to see if it's still working is a bad idea. However, stupid humans die every year because of stupidities like this. So, if evolution were true, these people would go extinct, and have gone extinct long ago.

However, there are still stupid humans among us, of which we are reminded daily by atheists who come to this forum in the illusion they know anything about anything, but who are in reality as stupid as a donkey's backside. This offers definite proof that evolution is a Lie of Satan.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Filip, if you would like better (in my opinion) answers then yours then please go back a couple pages and read mine, I actually explain things, you are just giving these people another reason to hate Atheists. Just because people believe in the Bible doesn't make them stupid any more than somebody who doesn't believe in the Bible, even though these people think you are stupid because you don't believe what they do. Respect in one another and understanding that we all have different belief systems while discussing them in an intelligent manner is far better then flaming eachother. But that's just my opinion. Even though my temper can get going as well as others around here sometimes.

Anywayyyyy,........

You claim:

1. cells have an intrinsic quality that limits their age and the amount of times they can divide;
2. cells die and divide;
3. evolution hasn't found an answer to death;
4. not dying would result in overuse of resources, and is thus necessary to keep a balance;

All of these claims are wrong.

1. Bacteria have lived since the beginning of time, over 6000 years in total, never dying, just dividing. Some human cells, like skin cells and cells lining the intestines, can divide thousands of time in a human lifetime, while others can only divide a small number of times before they die. Even reproductive cells are created by division, if there was a limit to the amount of divisions a cell could survive, then there logically should be a limit to the number of human generations, but reality shows there isn't such a limit. All this put together shows that only cells that are expected to live to a certain age are limited to a number of divisions, other cells will keep dividing as necessary. Someone has programmed them to die at a specific point in time.
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2. Cells don't die during division or before.
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3. Evolution does have answers to death, look at bacteria, look at certain plants that stay alive forever, look at fungi that stay alive forever. The most primitive forms of life, even according to evolutionism, don't die, while more "evolved" species do, so if evolution were true then there has to be a reason why death was introduced.
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4. It hardly matters whether or not parents die after they've had children. A group of 50 married couples with 8 children per couple per generation would after 20 generations have 110 trillion offspring without parents living, if all previous generations stayed alive it would be about 145 trillion. Either way that's far more humans than can live in that single tiny village, in reality the village might have grown to maybe a thousand people after 20 generations. Death through old age is cause of only one quarter of all death, so obviously there are other ways population growth is stopped besides death through old age. If all those other deaths were caused through accidents etc, then according to evolution the couples would simply have more children to compensate, so that's not the problem, so either God smites all of them or the reason why so many people would die is because of lack of resources. Another example: one year there might be a lot of mice, so owls will have an easy time feeding on them, there will be more owls the next year, this will kill too many mice and another year later the owls will starve and the cycle starts again. By using either logic or by looking around you you can see that life already uses all resources it can claim, the balance is enforced by resource availability, so death through old age is not the evolutionary answer to that problem. Also if death was the limiting factor then it would simply be the non-dying species that use up all resources.

Scientists make up lots of these claims, but they have secluded themselves in their ivory towers, they are unwilling or unable to look at the ever changing world around them, so their beliefs can never match up with reality. Only by looking at the fundamental truth underlying life, this world and the universe can you begin to understand why and how it works. This fundamental truth is not hidden in the difficult words (e.g. telomerase) scientists prefer to use so as to stay incomprehensible to the lay person, it's not spread out over millions of issues of peer reviewed scientific journals (b.t.w., peer review means scientists leave out any knowledge that conflicts with their world view like Christian science), God has provided it to us all in one book: the King James 1611 Bible: read it and understand everything!

I think we can simply agree to disagree on scientists and how they look at things, and I am sorry but although I do wish I knew more about The Bible, as well as all others religions out there since they fascinate me, I will not be doing this, I enjoying learning about it from the people who practice it such as you all.
And I am not going to do any more research on the points right now unless you reply saying you would like be to, because as I said before, even if I don't know all the answers, I still believe they are out there. However this is something that I will be sure to ask somebody who is a bit more knowledgeable about the subject when I get the chance.
1) Hey hey there, you are mixing the Bible with my evolutionists answer hehe, besides it sounds worse for me when you say millions of years. I do not know enough about the difference between bacteria cells and the cells in your body. I unfortunately do not know enough about biology (but it doesn't mean nobody does).
2 ) I am assuming you say this because I said "your cells die and divide." in my last post and I am sorry for the confusion but I meant in general, not in that order.
3) I thought I explained this in my last post, can you please be little more clear.
4) I was trying to be short in my answer since I didn't want a really long post but I wasn't saying that death is the sole thing that keeps balance to things, but if nothing died then there would be no reason for the species to reproduce. And without reproducing it would not evolve. A good point about the owls and mice but that would only make sense if they were all locked in a open room together. Mice can burrow underground and leave a dangerous area. Owls are also rarely together outside of mating (researched that) so if there were a lot of mice in an area with an owl and the owl ate one, the rest of the mice would be on high alert and run. Mice also multiply much faster then owls do, so it would be fairly easy for a couple of mice to get out of a dangerous area and reproduce. There is no reason this can't happen indefinitely.

A little off topic now that I notice the "full of it" and "crazy" icons by my name, but why do you have to show such disrespect to me or anybody simply because they do not share your beliefs. You think your Gods gift to the earth and that you are the greatest people on the planet, we get that, a little PRIDEFUL of you, but you don't exactly hide it. I understand that you get a lot of stupid flamers coming around here and many of them do not show respect but I have don't nothing of the sort, I have been avoided throwing insults (besides calling True Disciple a mor-on for good reason) as you have done, making false accusations as you have done, and disrespecting my way of thinking as you have done. And also getting infractions that were not deserved, even on this own thread for answering the questions asked to Evolutionists I received an infraction from Heathen Basher which he has still not commented on. True Christians? True Assholes by what I have seen. Cranky Old Man so far has been the most intelligent and respectful out of all of you outside of this thread (even though we had a rocky start too). A Follower and Bobby Joe I do appreciate your intelligent thoughts and comments in response to my answers as well.

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

... if nothing died then there would be no reason for the species to reproduce. And without reproducing it would not evolve. A good point about the owls and mice but that would only make sense if they were all locked in a open room together...

Boy, the reason critters reproduce is for the fun of it. If you was ever on a farm or zoo , you would see the look in their eyes. They like it. They aint' lookin' to evolve, they are looking to make some whoopie and jest have a good time. {you get a girlfriend and marry her and you will see what I mean}
Furthermore, you simply can not get a mouse and an owl to mate. They don't even like each other, and I am pretty sure the owl is looking more at the mouse like it is his next meal.

Now a little off-topic but iffin' you feel a deep self conciseness infeariority complex about the answers you been gettin', it is cause the questions you ask are a little on the ignorant side. No offense inteneded , but boy, you are not reading the Bible are you?
Have ya thought that "your way of thinking" is pretty incompleat?
Go towards the Light and seak some salvation, and for Heaven sake, quit playing with the evolutionist. They will just get you in trouble cause they are p*ssed off they can't proove their half-arsed theory. They can't even get to first base answering evolutionism questions.
Example:
How did life get started?
Scientist don't know.
{See , I told you they were trouble.}

Answer: The Bible has the answer, see Genesis

Rev Jeffrey Lebowski
Sister Verna Too {she thinks you should have your Pappy tell ya about the birds and bees}

PSS ... Sister Petal is single, and we do have a fine Meet Christian Singles Forum. Maybe it be time to quit diddling your self over evolution and practice some real pro-creatin'. You'll see how fun it is, and ya won't even think of evolving.

[True Disciple]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

PSS ... Sister Petal is single, and we do have a fine Meet Christian Singles Forum. Maybe it be time to quit diddling your self over evolution and practice some real pro-creatin'. You'll see how fun it is, and ya won't even think of evolving.

Sister Petal might be a little young for that, Brother.

Nevertheless, there is always Miss April. I think you two would fit nicely together.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

They aint' lookin' to evolve, they are looking to make some whoopie and jest have a good time. {you get a girlfriend and marry her and you will see what I mean}
Furthermore, you simply can not get a mouse and an owl to mate. They don't even like each other, and I am pretty sure the owl is looking more at the mouse like it is his next meal.

I like your answer, and I agree that animals mate for the sake of whoopie as you put is but they still evolve regardless. On a side note I know what you mean lol.
And I never said anything about a mouse and on owl mating, not sure where you got that. Did you read the whole post and the one I was replying to, or did you only read the small part you quoted me on?

[chasevan]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Account for the missing land sharks
If we evolved from fish, why haven’t sharks, who according to your theory predate us, evolved into land animals and are hunting us?

Sharks are the perfect predator. They have had no reason to evolve cause they are perfectly adapted to their environment.

Explain floods on Mars with out the Great Flood of the Bible
If Noah’s flood didn’t happen then how do explain the evidence of a great flood on Mars?

There used to be water on Mars and...ITS MARS..its 100 times larger than Earth...of course there would be a great flood.

Account for fools
If evolution is survival of the fittest then how do explain the continued survival of unsuccessful groups of stupid humans?

This question is very opinionated and should not even be listed here. It all depends on what you would classify as a stupid human. To you, it would be anyone who is not a 'true' christian. But as we can see, society is filtering out that noise already. But if this is a matter of mental disability, here is my answer. 500 years ago, people with Trisomy 21 and other mental disabilities would not be able to survive on their own. Because of medical advancements of the modern age, we are helping these people to live longer and happier lives. Higher population of people with these disabilities, the more children being born with these disabilities. Its simple. Read a Biology textbook before you make these stupid assumptions.

Explain why human's aren't perfect
If we are evolving why don’t we have third arms now?

Another stupid question. Our evolutionary advantage is our brains, they are why we have sentient thought and make up such things as religion, etc. It is why we have conquered above all the rest. Why would we need a third arm? thats stupid. Again, go to the library..rent a Biology textbook. Get your facts straight.

Explain infant murder
If we are evolved to nature our young then how do you secular humanist explain your groups pathological desire to kill yours with abortions?

This is a very touchy subject and has nothing to do with evolution. Its a personal choice and i know i won't win this argument with you people so i won't even try.

Why no bodies?
If humanity was roughly a million people living at one time. If the human race is 150,000 years old like you maintain that means there have been 150,000,000,000 who lived before the current era. If each corpse takes up 3 by 6 feet then that means the remains of human ancestors cover 1350 billion square feet of the earth! Why are we not buried under the remains of 150 billion people?

Another stupid question. There were a lot less people back in the day. So your math is incorrect and its called DECOMPOSITION. Our bodies decompose when we die and go back into the Earth. AGAIN, bio textbook.

Were do angels and demons fit into the Evolutionist tree of life?
Please explain the earliest common ancestor with all animals, angles and demons. What is their ancestry and transitional form?

Angels and Demons are a human invention. Another touchy subject. Science and Religion do not mix. If you understand anything about evolution, there is no such thing as angels.

Explain talking snake in the garden threw evolution.
Please tell me when serpents lost the power of speech and the process with which it happened. Please include any fossil of impaired speech snakes.

Another religion-based evolutionary question. The two DO NOT mix. In evolution/science, snakes never talked.

Explain the Loch Ness Monster threw evolution.
I find it hard to believe that a whole species can sustain itself from so few individuals as observed in Loch Ness. Sounds like a hole in your theory to me

Nobody REALLY believes in the Loch Ness monster. Its a superstition that keeps people interested. Another stupid question.

If evolution is true, then why don't trees stretch up to the stratosphere?
Scientists say that trees grow taller and taller because natural selection forces them to compete for light with other trees. However, they have supposedly had hundreds of millions of years to evolve, but the tallest tree in the world is a mere 370 feet tall.

Trees also need oxygen to survive. The higher up into the atmoshpere you go, the less air you will find. Its impossible.

Why don't we act like monkeys
If we are evolved from monkeys why do we behave like them; service our selves constantly an throw our feces about? Asked by Eight or Better

WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKIES! Go read a bio textbook, please. We evolved from the same species that monkies evolved from. That is why we are so biologically similar. They just went one way, we went a different way.

Why are there still monkey?
Evolution predicts the stronger species (humans) would crush and exterminate the weaker species(monkeys) it evolved from. Asked by ChristianSoldier

One, monkies do not taste good so we do not have any real reason to 'exterminate' them. Two, we did do a good job of exterminating a lot of the creatures on this Earth and now humanity is doing its best to preserve them. Stupid question.

Please account for quick extinctions.
According to evolution theory it takes millions of years for a species to go extinct. Yet we have examples of species dying out in a few hunderd years like the Dodo. Please account for this.

The Dodo had a very small habitat and had a very fragile niche. Human beings destroyed that and made the species go extinct. Your facts are WAY off. GO READ A BIO TEXTBOOK.

Were are ancestors and fossilizes remains of the dragon, satyr and unicorn?
I would say the lack of fossils for these three creatures presents a clear gap in the record.

This is insulting. Any scientific evolutionist, logical man you presented this question to...would slap you in the face.

Why are no human ancestors mentioned in The Bible?
The very fact that Neandertals, Homo-Erectuces are not mentioned in The Bible proves they are made up. I mean you would think God would have mentioned them 6,000 years ago when He wrote The Bible. duh.

Another opinated question. The Bible very liability is not proven. And your facts are off again...atleast use google or something...

Explain wasps with evolution.
Wasp paralyze spiders and then implant their young in them to feed on living, but helpless insect. If evolution was true them spiders would have anti-wasp poison in their blood. But they don’t. The only way you can get such a horrific death as those countless spiders suffer is threw the power of God.

There is no such thing as anti-wasp poison. It sounds like your getting your 'facts' on evolution...from the Wild Wild West. Will Smith is an actor...not a scientist.

How could Cain could procreate with his sisters if evolution was true?
If can was getting busy with his sister like The Bible relates then the human race should be a race of inbreed deformities like the English Royal Family. Instead we see the general population is healthy. This can only happen if Cain and his sister were of the pure first generation after Adam not corrupted by sins yet.

Again, too controversal. This actually disproves the Bible. If Cain did get busy with his sisters than we WOULD all be inbred idiots.

The Genealogy of Henry III
The "Evidence From Genealogy" display, donated by Edgar Nurnberg, is one of the more favorite displays of our visitors. These scrolls from the Lambeth Palace in England trace the genealogy of King Henry the 6th back to Adam and Eve.
Asked by Heathen Basher 8/18/09

The English believed their rulers were the voice of god and hand-chosen by him. They would make their records look like that. Propaganda.

Unicorn Horns
What so-called "evoloutionary role" does the horn on a unicorn play? I was taught evolutionary theory, and I can't figure it out! Asked by H. Montague Worthington's 8/24/09

Unicorns never exsisted. Stupid question.

Transitional fossils for single celled organism.
The Darwinists would have us believe that life evolved from single-celled organisms to more complicated forms. If that's true, then we should expect to see intermediaries between organisms with one cell and organisms with millions/billions/trillions of cells, but that's exactly what we don't see. Where are all the two-celled organisms that we should see if evolution was true? Where are all the five-celled organisms or twelve-celled organisms? Are we supposed to believe that 50 million amoebas randomly assembled into a fully formed flatworm by chance? Asked by Pastor Billy-Reuben. 8/25/09

They decomposed before they fossilized. Fozzilization takes millions of years..even if a one-celled organism was preserved, we would not be able to find it. it is way way too small. Dumb question.

Why is there still mud?
Darwinists claim that life originate in mud. If you really believe that a big pile of mud turned into a fish, which sprouted legs and arms and turned into monkeys, which turned into human beings, then you're more stupid than I thought. For a start, if that's true, why's there still mud around, and why do babies not have tails like monkeys when they're born? Asked by Rachel Pierce 11/4/09

READ A BIOLOGY TEXTBOOK! THIS QUESTION IS SO SO SO SO SO SO STUPID. NO WHERE...NO WHERE IN EVOLUTION DOES IT STATE THAT LIFE CAME FROM MUD.

Why don't chemicals think?
If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think? Rev. Jim Osborne 1/11/10

That is like asking if rocks have feelings. Stupid question. Does your god claim that chemicals think?

Why don't we have natural clothing?
People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then? Rev. Jim Osborne 1/11/10

A decent question. But just as stupid and worded horribly. We have not developed a 'second' skin because of that exact reason. We made our own 'second skin'(clothing) so we never had a reason to grow our own.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Sharks are the perfect predator. They have had no reason to evolve cause they are perfectly adapted to their environment.

Then why are we not all sharks?

There used to be water on Mars and...ITS MARS..its 100 times larger than Earth...of course there would be a great flood.

Not even atheist scientists believe this.

It all depends on what you would classify as a stupid human.

It would require a mirror to explain this to you.

Another stupid question. Our evolutionary advantage is our brains

Somehow when you say that it is not very convincing.

The Bible very liability is not proven.

Of course it is a proven fact. The Bible is the proof God exists and God created the Bible. But you will never figure this out if you refuse to read it and waste time on reading biology fairy tales instead.

Will Smith is an actor...not a scientist.

What would the difference be? Scientists are just actors who try to steal tax money with their acts. Just Google for "climategate" (>12,000,000 hits) or follow the link in my signature to see PROOF scientists are liars.

READ A BIOLOGY TEXTBOOK! THIS QUESTION IS SO SO SO SO SO SO STUPID.

READ THE BIBLE. YOUR ANSWER IS SO SO STUPID.

[Caboose]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Then why are we not all sharks?

Why dont all birds look the same, why are all fish not identical, why are all reptiles not alike? Its because different species have different climates. Microclimates can affect the trasnition of evolution over thousands of years. And sharks have changed. the Charcharadon Megaladon was an ancestor of the shark today. Sharks have evolved.

Not even atheist scientists believe this. ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6849802.ece
They found it, no believing required.

What would the difference be? Scientists are just actors who try to steal tax money with their acts. Just Google for "climategate" (>12,000,000 hits) or follow the link in my signature to see PROOF scientists are liars.

Research particular items, i bet you have neaver even heard a whisper of 99.9% of the researchers and scientists who have help made discoveries.

[Caboose]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

If you can accuratly tell me what the "Higs Boson" is i'll give you a cookie, only if you dont look it up.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Sharks have evolved.

Chasevan claimed sharks had no reason to evolve. You claim sharks evolved. See how many inconsistencies there are in these evolution theories? We do not have this problem, the Holy Bible has facts instead of theories, it is very clear and it is very consistent.

http://kingjbible.com/genesis/1.htm " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ... And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. ... And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6849802.eceThey found it, no believing required.

Chasevan claimed Mars to be 100 times larger than Earth. How does your link prove that? Like I already said not even atheists scientists believe that. It's complete nonsense. Apparently only you and chasevan believe Mars to be 100 times larger than Earth. Athesists don't (they believe it to be smaller) True Christians don't (they believe it to be much much smaller). But I suppose it is nice for the both of you to have found someone of equal stupidity.

Research particular items, i bet you have neaver even heard a whisper of 99.9% of the researchers and scientists who have help made discoveries.

Ever heard of lies, big lies and statistics? I assure you that number is not even close to 99.9%. Please note I do not claim all scientists to be liars, some of them did some great work, but a lot of them just falsify data to get government grants.

If you can accuratly tell me what the "Higs Boson" is i'll give you a cookie, only if you dont look it up.

No need to. I know. Some scientists believe it plays a role in gravity. But the search for the God particle is clearly blasphemy and it is no accident the great evil donut of Satan has been having problem after problem.

[Caboose]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Chase may have not actually completed as much marine biology research as myself. but alas.

Either or... i beleive my views to be right.
You beleive yours, as they are our views we could argue untill the cows come home.

Alas, i must now go to work, play with all my lizards and snakes. I'll take some pictures for you!

Ciao for now!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Chase may have not actually completed as much marine biology research as myself. but alas.

So if you learn a little biology they learn you sharks did not evolve and if you learn a lot of biology you learn sharks evolved? What else will they change if you learn even more biology? Does that not make you suspicious? Does that not show you that you are being deceived by false prophets?

Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

I am amazed you are still unable to see the truth. I will pray that you will see the light of our Savior Jesus Christ at some point in your life.