Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

**MitzaLizalor** · 05-17-2013, 11:11 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

If a theory is incorrect in one case, than the entire theory is broken. Knowing Newton's theory is broken proves that the entire system of science and education is broken:

Thank you for your witness Mr Follower, and for your appeal to reason, in the special case of Reality's local universe.

ISAIAH 1
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
21a How is the faithful city become an harlot!
KJV

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Newton's model cannot predict Mercury

Now that the question of Newton has been settled (together with the matter of secularist education being so warped as to provide a crumbling foundation for even its own later schemes—at college—to deny Jesus) we can see what results when the God shaped space in every soul if filled with pseudoscientific claptrap and the ever shifting sands of woe.

Everything taught becomes tainted, the world is viewed through a distorting prism like an unbeliever peering through her upturned absinthe bottle.

Dark matter has very strong evidence, and it has been observed in gravitational observations many times. There is, however, some dispute as to what it is (although we do have a pretty good idea by now).

That would be an interesting "observation"

many times just posting one of them will do
pretty good idea by now and the explanation is . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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**Pastor Ezekiel** · 05-18-2013, 02:08 AM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Einstein was a damned hook-nosed joo and a communiss to boot. Why anyone listens to him is beyond me.

**Billy Bob Jenkins** · 05-18-2013, 03:19 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

But, it's only a painting. You can't see it in the real world. There is not edge on planet Earth. Unless if you can provide evidence for that, the Earth is still spherical.

Atheists are always shifting the burden of proof onto those they disagree with. That is their only argument.

My proof that the Earth is flat is that the Bible says so. Unless you can disprove the Bible, then the Earth is flat.

**~~IdiocyofMYUniverse~~** · 05-18-2013, 03:56 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by Billy Bob Jenkins View Post

My proof that the Earth is flat is that the Bible says so. Unless you can disprove the Bible, then the Earth is flat.

My proof that the Earth is spherical is because the Holy Giraffe says so. Unless you can disprove the Hold Giraffe, then the Earth is spherical

Anyway, even when the evidence supports the truth that the Earth isn't flat, you will still believe it's flat because the Bible says so? With a mind like that, it's a disgrace to the human species. We've known for a very long time the Earth is a spherical shape. Boats gradually sink below the horizon, as do buildings on the shore from the viewpoint of the sailors, proving the earth is spherical. The lunar eclipses prove the spherical of the earth. Getting on a plane or boat and travelling around the earth, eventually ending up in the same place you've left off at proving the Earth isn't flat because you didn't see an edge on your travel.

**Redeemed Papist** · 05-18-2013, 04:15 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

blaaaaaah
The lunar eclipses prove the spherical of the earth. Getting on a plane or boat and travelling around the earth, eventually ending up in the same place you've left off at proving the Earth isn't flat because you didn't see an edge on your travel.

God wants the moon to go dark so it goes dark. Simple. What's that got to do with anything?
Ever blindfolded yourself and tried to walk in a straight line? You'd swear you had but you walk in a circle. The earth's kinda big, it's really easy to lose your bearings and walk in a circle if you have bad woodcraft. It's obviously the same with these airliners. Try to get your head out of science books and use real world experience to help you see the glory of God's word for once!

**~~IdiocyofMYUniverse~~** · 05-18-2013, 04:31 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by Redeemed Papist View Post

God wants the moon to go dark so it goes dark. Simple. What's that got to do with anything?

No. Nature will make the moon go dark because that how she plays. A lunar eclipse occurs whenever the Moon passes through some portion of the Earth's shadow. For whereas in the monthly phases of the moon the segments are of all sorts--straight, gibbous [convex], crescent--in eclipses the dividing line is always rounded. Consequently, if the eclipse is due to the interposition of the earth, the rounded line results from its spherical shape" Of course a Frisbee, properly angled, would make a round shadow too. But if the Frisbee rotated while the eclipse was in progress, the curvature of its shadow would change. The earth's does not. Simple enough to understand?

Originally posted by Redeemed Papist View Post
Ever blindfolded yourself and tried to walk in a straight line? You'd swear you had but you walk in a circle.

**Ezekiel Bathfire** · 05-18-2013, 04:44 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Most probably because you have no reference frame...

I have Jesus.

If you travel north or south a significant distance, you will see a different set of stars at night.

Only when you get to the edge of the Earth. Right there, up on the Great Ice Wall, you can look down and see new stars or so it is said - I've never been there. Perhaps you have?

**~~IdiocyofMYUniverse~~** · 05-19-2013, 08:48 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post

Only when you get to the edge of the Earth.

Many, many people, including me, have traveled around the world and we have not seen an edge. Especially, when the astronauts are see the planet Earth from space.

Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post

Right there, up on the Great Ice Wall

There is no Great Ice Wall. Just a nice ice sheet.

**James Hutchins** · 05-19-2013, 08:55 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Many, many people, including me, have traveled around the world and we have not seen an edge. Especially, when the astronauts are see the planet Earth from space.

There is no Great Ice Wall. Just a nice ice sheet.

Looks just like your 'moon shots'.

**~~IdiocyofMYUniverse~~** · 05-19-2013, 08:59 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post

Looks just like your 'moon shots'.

Well, at least in this situation, you can go there only for a few thousand of dollars.

**James Hutchins** · 05-19-2013, 09:06 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Well, at least in this situation, you can go there only for a few thousand of dollars.

Friend, Hollywood is just a few hundred dollar bus ride. Most of those sets are still there and you can 'walk on the moon' during a studio tour. Been there, done that. I think the cost was $10. If you paid thousands, I almost feel sorry for you.

**~~IdiocyofMYUniverse~~** · 05-19-2013, 09:27 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post

Friend, Hollywood is just a few hundred dollar bus ride. Most of those sets are still there and you can 'walk on the moon' during a studio tour. Been there, done that. I think the cost was $10. If you paid thousands, I almost feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for you that for most of your life you have been in denial of the truth of the world around you. Why don't you actually get off your arse and attempt to search for the truth.

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Book a travel to the south pole. You won't be going into a building, nor Hollywood; you'll be going to the south pole and you won't meet and great ice wall.

People like you really are destroying the human species.There are SOOOOO many Christians that believe the Earth is spherical, believe in Evolution and so on. You say there are 2 Billion people who are Christians, but, according to you, because they don't believe in those things, they aren't True Christians, thus decreasing the numbers by a large number! Stop being an ridiculous human being and look at the evidence around you and not 'evidence' you perceive to be in a book.

**Pastor Ezekiel** · 05-19-2013, 10:20 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityofMYUniverse View Post

I feel sorry for you that for most of your life you have been in denial of the truth of the world around you. Why don't you actually get off your arse and attempt to search for the truth.

Visit Antarctica | Antarctic Logistics & Expeditions (ALE)

http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights

ALE is the premier provider of deep field Antarctic experiences. Climb the tallest peaks, visit the South Pole, or camp with penguins.

Book a travel to the south pole. You won't be going into a building, nor Hollywood; you'll be going to the south pole and you won't meet and great ice wall.

People like you really are destroying the human species.There are SOOOOO many Christians that believe the Earth is spherical, believe in Evolution and so on. You say there are 2 Billion people who are Christians, but, according to you, because they don't believe in those things, they aren't True Christians, thus decreasing the numbers by a large number! Stop being an ridiculous human being and look at the evidence around you and not 'evidence' you perceive to be in a book.

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His ferocious love, and that you will tithe robustly immediately using the Paypal button at the bottom of this page.

**A Follower** · 05-19-2013, 10:46 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Newton is good for everyday life on Earth, that's why it is taught at schools and that's perfectly justified.

So you admit you lie to children out of convenience, because it's less of a hassle for you. I, and God with me, think lying is wrong and evil. Only someone completely in the employ of the devil would resort to lying to children.

Proverbs 13:5-6
5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame.

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Einstein's theory of general relativity is indeed a better description than Newton's laws (I'll describe them in more detail in a minute). It is, however, far too complicated for a high-school level. I did general relativity in my final year of college physics, and it was by far the hardest course I ever did- it took several years of college to even understand the mathematical principles needed to understand it. Of course, professional physicists do use GR instead of Newton's laws, but they operate at a far more advanced level than a high school student needs. You need tensor calculus to understand GR, and you just can't get that at high school.

Thank you for admitting that Einstein's theories are utter nonsense, and only someone who has been indoctrinated/brainwashed with science for years or decades could even begin to appreciate it. Also thank you for admitting that you lied to us in your earlier posts where you said that Newton's theory was correct. Apparently it isn't any more, and all in the space of a few days. I think if you didn't have anything to hide you wouldn't have to lie all the time.

Job 13:4
But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.

You with your fancy college education, you may have a title of doctor, but you are a physician of no value, just as the Bible says. I doubt you could even set a broken leg.

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

Dark matter has very strong evidence, and it has been observed in gravitational observations many times. There is, however, some dispute as to what it is (although we do have a pretty good idea by now). The jury is still very much out on what dark energy is- it's basically whatever is responsible for the expansion of the universe being faster than theory predicts. This might be either due to other factors involved (most physicists think it is), or it might be because the current model is incomplete- although so far, every attempt at expanding GR to cover dark energy has failed.

So what exactly did you observe? Did you observe any actual matter? Or are you lying once again, this time to yourself, and did your observations simply not match your theories? It's humorous though that all you physicists are too stupid to write a simple formula for gravity, but you still dare to claim that gravity exists and you know exactly how it works and we should just trust you and listen to you, and give you billions of dollars for "research" (hookers and blow more likely, if I know anything about atheists).

Originally posted by RealityoftheUniverse View Post

As technology improves, we can perform better and more accurate experiments, so we can improve upon existing theories, find flaws in existing models, and make improvements upon them. Science is improving all the time, and as we gain more knowledge, we can update and improve upon our understanding.

Cute, but there is no flaw in one existing model: the KJV 1611 Bible is flawless. It is the exact Word of God as He intended it. And once you scientists start to accept that you will realize why all science tends to eventually match the Bible. Two hundred years ago there was a scientist named Darwin who claimed there was something called evilution, all species on earth come from a common ancestor, but today scientists mostly agree that that's just ridiculous. They talk about DNA coming from outer space (and guess Who happens to be in outer space? God.) Curious isn't it? Two centuries ago scientists didn't believe in God at all, and today many high schools around the world teach creationism as an equal if not better alternative to evilution. This goes to show that all science can eventually prove is that God is right.

The Bible even tells us about your "dark matter" and "dark energy" that you "observe" beyond the stars.

First, as everyone knows, there is a firmament covering earth

Genesis 1:6-10
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Onto which the stars, moon and sun are affixed.

Genesis 1:16-17
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

The water that is on the other side of the firmament is still there, God used it for example to kill all life on earth when He felt that was necessary (except of course for Noah and those on his ark).

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Water is of course translucent, that's why you can't observe it, but it is out there beyond the stars, and plenty of it. That's your "dark matter". How do I know God is right and physics is wrong in this? Because if dark matter was some sort of product from an alleged big bang, then it would exist all over the universe, even near here, but all astrologists agree that that's not the case, it only happens to exist on the other side of the universe where no can check if it actually exists.

As for your "dark energy" (with dark you mean that you can't see it of course, it does not have an evil connotation). You physicists claim that dark energy is 10 times as powerful as all the visible universe. What superpowerful "thing" from the Bible could have that much power, be that strong, be that great? Only God matches that description exactly. Yet again proof of what I said earlier, all science eventually matches the Bible exactly. But you don't have to wait thousands of years until you scientists catch up with your research, you can skip right ahead and become a Christian today!

Adding Christianity to science makes it all more logical and believable. Creationism is like evolution but without the monkey parents, but with God added in. Logical

Intelligent Pulling is gravity but without all the formulas and missing matter, but with God added in. Makes sense to me

Climate Stability is global warming with knowledge of God's promises added, and all the CO2 nonsense removed. Remember, plants grow on CO2, so it's good for earth, and oil is of course a completely natural biological renewable energy source, so it can't harm the environment. We know that God promised never again to flood the entire earth, so we know that melting icecaps can't be true: there are still rainbows every day.

Genesis 9:11-16
And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

These three reasons and many more are why I and many Christians with me take your last message very serious:

Originally posted by RealityofMYUniverse View Post

Stop being an ridiculous human being and look at the evidence around you and not 'evidence' you perceive to be in a book.

You can't just ignore the Bible: it is ridiculous to not look at the evidence as you say. People who would rather believe some physics or mathematics textbook than the evidence of God are out of their minds.

**~~IdiocyofMYUniverse~~** · 05-22-2013, 05:15 PM

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

None of this proves that a god exists; it's just one unsupported assertion after another.

Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

You're shifting the burden of proof.

Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God.

Because there isn't sufficient evidence to support the claim.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

Bible is flawless.

No serious Christian scholar makes this claim. Instead, they might claim that the Bible was perfect in its original form - which we don't have. I'd recommend that you talk to some actual experts in this area before making grand claims about its flawlessness. You can start by investigating Mark 16:9-20 ...which is almost certainly a late addition.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

It is the exact Word of God as He intended it.

How do you know this?

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

Darwin said that all species came from common ancestors, but today scientists are agreeing this is ridiculous.

No, they don't. This is another reason I didn't take your e-mail seriously. Common ancestry and common decent are still part of the model of natural selection. Our shared ancestry with the other great apes, for example, is demonstrable.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

They are talking about DNA coming from outer space, where God is.

First of all, no serious theologian (and virtually no believers) would claim that God exists in outer space. The conventional model is that God exists outside of both space and time. Your repeated over-simplifications and misstatements are damning.

Additionally, you misunderstand and conflate evolution with abiogenesis and falsely imply that one possible explanation for abiogenesis (panspermia) is the prevailing model - it's not.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

Scientist didn't believe in God at all two centuries ago

False claim.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

but many high schools around the world teach creationism as an equal if not better alternative to evolution, proving God is right!

What schools teach doesn't prove that god is right. That's a horribly flawed argument.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

Adding Christianity to science makes it all more logical and believable.

No, it doesn't - it does the opposite.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

You can't just ignore the Bible

The Bible cannot be confirmation that a god exists. The claim requires more than just the writings of ancient people who believed it - that's not how we determined whether or not something is true.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

it is ridiculous to not look at the evidence as you say.

I look at the evidence - there simply isn't sufficient evidence to confirm the existence of god and most theologians and believers acknowledge this. Instead, they appeal to faith.

Originally posted by A Follower View Post

People who would rather believe some physics or mathematics textbook than the evidence of God are out of their minds.

Mathematics and physics are demonstrable and based on reason and hard evidence which is independently verifiable by anyone. To compare those disciplines to the Bible is already odd but to claim that they're epistemologically inferior is just absurd.

There aren't thousands of denominations of mathematicians. There's not disagreement over whether 1+1=2.

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