[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Many people have reached the south pole. Many separate countries have bases at or near the south pole. There are international treaties involving the continent of Antarctica. The edge of the world does not exist.

[Basilissa]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Many people have reached the south pole. Many separate countries have bases at or near the south pole. There are international treaties involving the continent of Antarctica. The edge of the world does not exist.

And you know that because you've been there?

Idjit. Taking the word of some strange/crazy people over the words of the Holy Bible.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

And you know that because you've been there?

Yes. And if you haven't, you can travel there if you have the money to do so.

Taking the word of some strange/crazy people over the words of the Holy Bible.

I don't know if you noticed - but the bible was written by some strange/crazy people. Anyway, according to the catholic church the bible is misleading and vaque. Why don't you take the word of Alice in Wonderland? Because it's fiction - like the bible - plain and simple. Are you trying to tell me that it wasn't written by swivel eyed loonies. The guy who wrote Revelations would be in a straight jacket, heavily sedated if he came out with that cr*p today. The bible is the words of some very strange and crazy people! Read it to see the truth of that. There is no truth in the bible. It has no truth when it comes to the proof of God.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Originally Posted by A Follower

The Bible is flawless.
No serious Christian scholar makes this claim.

Of course they do!

Instead, they might claim that the Bible was perfect in its original form -

No they don't! Men corrupt words and so the words, to convey the message, must change. KJV1611 is the final revelation of God's Word.

I'd recommend that you talk to some actual experts in this area before making grand claims about its flawlessness.

You don't think I would say these things without speaking to Pastor Zeke, do you?

You can start by investigating Mark 16:9-20 ...which is almost certainly a late addition.
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"almost certainly" ... almost? Son, it either is or it isn't and absent anything from you, it is God's Word.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

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[Didymus Much]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

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Demons?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

His soul has been seized by Satan - it happens to atheists.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

...it happens to atheists.

Now, you tell me. Let's start opening to Jesus!

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I believe Mr idiocy's account has been highjacked, it has happened to me before. This act of censorship is very immature.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Anyway, according to the catholic church the bible is misleading and vaque.

Duh! All Catholics are child raping Satanists who ignore God and will all burn in Hell. No exceptions.

A True Christian™ knows the Bible is perfect (Psalm 12:6-7) and follows it to the letter (James 2:10).

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

This is a problem then because we do not have a complete original copy f the bible. As we find earlier and earlier pieces, we notice differences between them and modern ones (including your king James one)

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

This is a problem then because we do not have a complete original copy f the bible. As we find earlier and earlier pieces, we notice differences between them and modern ones (including your king James one)

I assure you my King James Bible is complete and no pages are missing from it. Everything else is just nonsense spread by Satan to confuse God fearing Christians!

[Asshat Turdhead]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Really, what does the king James bible say the number of the beast is, 666, nope that's incorrect. In a revelation manuscript known as papyrus 115, the number of the beast is 616. If there is one error, there is likely others.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Really, what does the king James bible say the number of the beast is, 666, nope that's incorrect. In a revelation manuscript known as papyrus 115, the number of the beast is 616. If there is one error, there is likely others.

And what does any of that claptrap have to do with the earth being flat?

I'm tellin' you boy. You're skating on thin ice right now.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

"Our ancestors understood origins by extrapolating from their own experience. How else could they have done it? So the Universe was hatched from a cosmic egg, or conceived in the sexual congress of a mother god and a father god, or was a kind of product of the Creator’s workshop—perhaps the latest of many flawed attempts. And the Universe was not much bigger than we see, and not much older than our written or oral records, and nowhere very different from places that we know.

We’ve tended in our cosmologies to make things familiar. Despite all our best efforts, we’ve not been very inventive. In the West, Heaven is placid and fluffy, and Hell is like the inside of a volcano. In many stories, both realms are governed by dominance hierarchies headed by gods or devils. Monotheists talked about the king of kings. In every culture we imagined something like our own political system running the Universe. Few found the similarity suspicious.

Then science came along and taught us that we are not the measure of all things, that there are wonders unimagined, that the Universe is not obliged to conform to what we consider comfortable or plausible. We have learned something about the idiosyncratic nature of our common sense. Science has carried human self-consciousness to a higher level. This is surely a rite of passage, a step towards maturity. It contrasts starkly with the childishness and narcissism of our pre-Copernican notions.

And, again, if we’re not important, not central, not the apple of God’s eye, what is implied for our theologically based moral codes? The discovery of our true bearings in the Cosmos was resisted for so long and to such a degree that many traces of the debate remain, sometimes with the motives of the geocentrists laid bare.

What do we really want from philosophy and religion? Palliatives? Therapy? Comfort? Do we want reassuring fables or an understanding of our actual circumstances? Dismay that the Universe does not conform to our preferences seems childish. You might think that grown-ups would be ashamed to put such disappointments into print. The fashionable way of doing this is not to blame the Universe—which seems truly pointless—but rather to blame the means by which we know the Universe, namely science.

Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign.

Its conclusions derive from the interrogation of Nature, and are not in all cases predesigned to satisfy our wants.

We recognize that even revered religious leaders, the products of their time as we are of ours, may have made mistakes. Religions contradict one another on small matters, such as whether we should put on a hat or take one off on entering a house of worship, or whether we should eat beef and eschew pork or the other way around, all the way to the most central issues, such as whether there are no gods, one God, or many gods.

If you lived two or three millennia ago, there was no shame in holding that the Universe was made for us. It was an appealing thesis consistent with everything we knew; it was what the most learned among us taught without qualification. But we have found out much since then. Defending such a position today amounts to willful disregard of the evidence, and a flight from self-knowledge.

We long to be here for a purpose, even though, despite much self-deception, none is evident.

Our time is burdened under the cumulative weight of successive debunkings of our conceits: We’re Johnny-come-latelies. We live in the cosmic boondocks. We emerged from microbes and muck. Apes are our cousins. Our thoughts and feelings are not fully under our own control. There may be much smarter and very different beings elsewhere. And on top of all this, we’re making a mess of our planet and becoming a danger to ourselves.

The trapdoor beneath our feet swings open. We find ourselves in bottomless free fall. We are lost in a great darkness, and there’s no one to send out a search party. Given so harsh a reality, of course we’re tempted to shut our eyes and pretend that we’re safe and snug at home, that the fall is only a bad dream.

Once we overcome our fear of being tiny, we find ourselves on the threshold of a vast and awesome Universe that utterly dwarfs—in time, in space, and in potential—the tidy anthropocentric proscenium of our ancestors. We gaze across billions of light-years of space to view the Universe shortly after the Big Bang, and plumb the fine structure of matter. We peer down into the core of our planet, and the blazing interior of our star. We read the genetic language in which is written the diverse skills and propensities of every being on Earth. We uncover hidden chapters in the record of our own origins, and with some anguish better understand our nature and prospects. We invent and refine agriculture, without which almost all of us would starve to death. We create medicines and vaccines that save the lives of billions. We communicate at the speed of light, and whip around the Earth in an hour and a half. We have sent dozens of ships to more than seventy worlds, and four spacecraft to the stars.

To our ancestors there was much in Nature to be afraid of—lightning, storms, earthquakes, volcanos, plagues, drought, long winters. Religions arose in part as attempts to propitiate and control, if not much to understand, the disorderly aspect of Nature.

How much more satisfying had we been placed in a garden custom-made for us, its other occupants put there for us to use as we saw fit. There is a celebrated story in the Western tradition like this, except that not quite everything was there for us. There was one particular tree of which we were not to partake, a tree of knowledge. Knowledge and understanding and wisdom were forbidden to us in this story. We were to be kept ignorant. But we couldn’t help ourselves. We were starving for knowledge—created hungry, you might say. This was the origin of all our troubles. In particular, it is why we no longer live in a garden: We found out too much. So long as we were incurious and obedient, I imagine, we could console ourselves with our importance and centrality, and tell ourselves that we were the reason the Universe was made. As we began to indulge our curiosity, though, to explore, to learn how the Universe really is, we expelled ourselves from Eden. Angels with a flaming sword were set as sentries at the gates of Paradise to bar our return. The gardeners became exiles and wanderers. Occasionally we mourn that lost world, but that, it seems to me, is maudlin and sentimental. We could not happily have remained ignorant forever.

There is in this Universe much of what seems to be design.

But instead, we repeatedly discover that natural processes—collisional selection of worlds, say, or natural selection of gene pools, or even the convection pattern in a pot of boiling water—can extract order out of chaos, and deceive us into deducing purpose where there is none.

The significance of our lives and our fragile planet is then determined only by our own wisdom and courage. We are the custodians of life’s meaning. We long for a Parent to care for us, to forgive us our errors, to save us from our childish mistakes. But knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring fable.

If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal."