[O' Hypocrites]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

I have said my piece of Good News for the sinners and the saints. Now, I will likely never come back to this server. As long as I have shouted about God's Saving Grace from the mountaintops, I'm living a swell life! I love you all and wish you all the best. I hope that, those of you who have accepted Christ, we will all walk in heaven together! Aren't you just so glad to trust in Jesus? lol I'm giddy.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

I have said my piece of Good News for the sinners and the saints. Now, I will likely never come back to this server. As long as I have shouted about God's Saving Grace from the mountaintops, I'm living a swell life! I love you all and wish you all the best. I hope that, those of you who have accepted Christ, we will all walk in heaven together! Aren't you just so glad to trust in Jesus? lol I'm giddy.

You will not be missed. Such a snarky response to the people that really love God!


Jeremiah 9:23 "Thus saith theLord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:


1 John 4:20: "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"




In Him

[O' Hypocrites]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

Bless him, Lord.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

God loves EVERYONE.

Ok. Let us see:

Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Both the OT and the NT agree here. There was a person God hated. You have a couple of options as follows:

• You could admit that you erred. No big deal. This does not count as an unforgivable sin (Matthew 12:31) so you still have a chance for Heaven, albeit a slim one.
• You can tell that it is all statistics, that one person does not matter. How could it not matter, as everyone means every single one without exceptions?
• You can tell that this part of the Bible is fallacious or doesn't matter in which case you must give us (and Jesus) a detailed list of the sections that do matter, why they matter and why everything else can be discarded.

Please, make the right choice for your Salvation! I'm praying for you, dear child!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Basilissa]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

Sad as it is to say, I laughed at many of your replies to my exhortation

Thank you for your persecution. It reassures me that we're right and you're wrong.

2 Timothy 3:12 - Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

No, I have ignored nothing.

Except for the Holy Bible, sweetie.

Jesus has not abolished the old law, but we should not let it hang over our heads such as is happening over this "forum".

Please cite Scripture to support your claim.

I looked at the scripture that a couple of you have used, and it only furthered my sadness...

Why?

All of the quotes used against the arguments made in the position of "God hates the sin, not the sinner" did not have a great foundation, if I may say so.

Ooh?

Many of them were flimsy in the sense that they referred to old laws, but not the absolute hate from God, and I see that just about all of them were Old Testament, which I have nothing against.

If you have nothing against it, then why don't you want to do what Jesus tells us to do - FOLLOW IT?

Now, concerning the many where only the people committing the sin were MENTIONED but not CONDEMNED TO DEATH,

God wants them to be stoned to death. How is that not a condemnation, exactly?

I almost laughed at that one and cried all at once, if that can make sense to any of you.

Not really, but you haven't been too coherent so far, so it's not really surprising.

Jesus is merely calling out the different sins being committed by those that "uphold the law" (speaking of the OT law). Just like the law itself, he calls out the imperfection in the Pharisees and such people.

No He doesn't. READ IT. He actually says that the Pharisees are righteous people, but that True Christians™ have to be even more righteous.

However, if you read on throughout the Gospels, he always comes back to the grace and salvation he is offering them after each new sin is revealed. So...how can one say that God hates a sinner if he also loves him enough to give him a Way to salvation?

Dr. White has already addressed that question with appropriate Scripture.

Then he revealed grace in its true form. What I am getting at is, it is still too sweet for me to describe with my own, human words.

OK....?

My dear true Christians, those who are out there, I will happily listen to your beliefs that God positively hates sinners if you could lay it out for me.

While it would be advisable for you to read the Holy Bible for yourself, here is a short selection of the verses where God says whom He hates:

Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalm 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

Psalm 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 22:14 The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

Lamentations 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

While I know that very thesis is wrong,

Someone smart once said that mind is like parachute: it works better when it's open.

It would be beneficial for you to be a little bit more humble (James 4:6) and not assume that you already have all the answers.

I would still like to see who can protect the antithesis. I love you all, and forgive you all. ^^

Oh, thank you, sweetie!

I have said my piece of Good News for the sinners and the saints. Now, I will likely never come back to this server. As long as I have shouted about God's Saving Grace from the mountaintops, I'm living a swell life! I love you all and wish you all the best. I hope that, those of you who have accepted Christ, we will all walk in heaven together! Aren't you just so glad to trust in Jesus? lol I'm giddy.

Bye then! Enjoy your life before you enter the gates of Hell!

[Mary Etheldreda]

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First off, I do enjoy paragraphs, but I do not find them necessary at all moments in time.

You do realize there's a whole world between "no paragraphs / wall of text" and "all paragraphs at all moments in time"?

So...how can one say that God hates a sinner if he also loves him enough to give him a Way to salvation? That seems a tad bit double-minded.

So instead you prefer to think that God loves everyone, and then proceeds to toss most of the people He loves into Hell for all eternity (Matthew 25:31-46)? Doesn't that seem, er, a bit... psychopathic to you? I mean, with friends like that, who needs enemies, right?

Egads, I'd hate to see how you treat people you love if this is fine by your moral standards.

[Regis Alexandrus]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

Harold Camping made his numerous false predictions by using numerology and making allegorical interpretations of the Holy Bible to make it say whatever he wanted it to say even though 1 Peter 1 and Acts 1 tell us that no true prophecy comes by one's personal interpretation and Acts 1 tells us that it is not for us to know the date of the last day.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

An interesting fact about the warning in Deuteronomy 18:10-13 is that hidden within those verses is a Message from God proving that it was He who wrote the words, and not Ezra who was the High Priest at the time The Book of Deuteronomy was found hidden among the archives.

Please note the position in the verse that the letters which clearly spell out “no numerology” are in the verses:
De:18:10: There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
De:18:11: Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
De:18:12: For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
De:18:13: Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

To save you counting, I have done that for you:

Simply add the numbers together, then add the digits of the result and, if necessary at the digits of that result: this is your final number.

11+23+50+74 = 158 = 1+5+8 = 14 = 1+4 = 5 -> Deuteronomy is book 5
8+21+64 = 93 = 12 = 3 -> we look at Chapter 3
12+47+84+90 = 233 = 8 -> we look at verse 8 -> De:3:8: And we took at that time out of the hand of the two kings of the Amorites the land that was on this side Jordan, from the river of Arnon unto mount Hermon;
33 = 33 = 6

To check this, we now add the digits of each number

1+1+2+3+5+0+7+4 = 23 = 2+3 = 5
8+2+1+6+4 = 21 = 2+1 = 3
1+2+4+7+8+4+9+0 = 35 = 3+5 = 8

Amazingly, the sums are the same!!!

This is the God's Work!!!. These verse clearly describes the hatred that God has for those who practice Numerology - God will see them defeated!

Here we have proof that numerology is truly an abomination in the Sight of God!

[Brother Gonzalez]

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I wonder if Deuteronomy 18:10-11
There shall not be found among you any one ... that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


Can be applied to meteorologists. They are observer of times, and try to predict the future, with many days of advance:





Any Pastor or True Christian that could kindly answer? Please do not use big words, as I'm really slow.

[rainmom4x]

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WOW. Hate overfloweth here!


1) Is there not an entire book of the bible titled "NUMBERS"? Words have a broad application depending on one's definition. The bible is chock full of symbolism REGARDING NUMBERS. The bible starts out using numbers in Genesis, i.e. ... 7 days of creation. God made the earth that has 7 oceans, 7 continents, and the number 7 and it's derivatives are used 562 times in the bible. The number 40 is used over 200 times in the bible. The number 12 ... Jesus had 12 disciples, 12 tribes of Israel. In revelations 12:1 the 24 elders and 144,000 are both multiples of 12. The new Jerusalem has 12 foundations, 12 gates, 12 thousand furlongs, a tree with 12 kinds of fruit 12 times a year eaten by 12 x 12000 or the 144,000. Books of the bible are numbered as are the chapters and verses. Every statement in the bible numbered. Additionally, Jesus incorporated numbers into some of his parables as they relate to the future. In accordance with your definition of "numerology" Jesus stands guilty of using numerology and telling all of us who read them to as well as his parables relate to the future and involve numbers. The number 40 is used over 200 times in the bible, the number 9 is often found in scripture as is the number 1. The very principle of the New Testament is based on the Trinity (the number 3). I cannot find anything specific in the scriptures that blatantly states that numerology is a sin.


2) That being said, I am appalled by the hate that every single post here displays towards fellow brethren in Christ. The very thing Jesus warned of the most and apparently it is completely lost on you folks. Guard your hearts and minds from hate. Hate is the enemy. You single out verses and apply them out of context to suit your personal agendas and bolster your arguments as we see all too often on Christian based forums. Love for one another is nowhere to be found in your hearts and that is obvious based on your words. You can share your perspective without the proverbial stoning of one another out of hatred. Love takes precedence even over faith and that makes it the most important message of the bible.


Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus replied, "Love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself."


1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.


1 Corinthians 13:13 And now these three remain: Faith hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


1 Corinthians 13:4-5 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.


Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; bearing with one another in love.

1 Peter 4:8 Above all, love each other deeply because love covers over a multitude of sins.


1 John 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.


Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.


3) It appears that most of you commenting on the subject of numerology and the many scriptures quoted out of context here are absolutely certain your definitions and perspectives on God's word are the only correct definitions and perspectives despite the vast amount of ambiguity throughout the bible. You are so certain you have it ALL figured out with your limited and rigid perspectives that you seem unwilling to glean any new insight regarding the bible which is full of mystery. If this is not true then explain the book of Revelations just to start. You seem so certain your interpretation is correct that you are willing to take it upon yourselves to go ahead and condemn anyone not agreeing with you to hell's fire. We are expressly told in the bible not to take the words literally and if we do it will lead to spiritual death. I have been struggling so hard to understand the various messages conveyed in the bible and because of the complexities therein I am certain I will not reach a complete understanding of the same in this short lifetime, however, I am content with remaining a student anxious to learn and listen to all opinions in my quest for meaning which is the very thing that brings me to this forum and many like it. I am saddened to say that the only thing they all seem to have in common is hate and intolerance for one another.


2 Corinthians 3:4-6


The Spirit, Not the Letter
And we have such trust through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;[a] for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


2 Corinthians 4


The Light of Christ’s Gospel
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


4) Last but not least, I am dumbfounded by the fact that you wrap Jesus in the American flag when clearly American culture is steeped in Egyptian symbolism, including the donations you are happy to collect on behalf of your ministry (pyramids on the back of the dollar bill). The Washington monument is an obelisk. You are worshiping your country simultaneously while wrapping your Lord and Savior in the American flag. Are you suggesting God condones your doing so? Can you please explain what makes you think that?

[Brother Gonzalez]

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I'm going to adress some of your questions, only some. The pastors can come and answer everything. I'm just a humble servant of God.


Speaking of who I am, why don't you tell us a little about you? there is a forum for this, and it is expected taht someone entering this forum will go there and present himself. Please do. Otherwise you are being just rude.

WOW. Hate overfloweth here!


2) That being said, I am appalled by the hate that every single post here displays towards fellow brethren in Christ. The very thing Jesus warned of the most and apparently it is completely lost on you folks. Guard your hearts and minds from hate. Hate is the enemy. You single out verses and apply them out of context to suit your personal agendas and bolster your arguments as we see all too often on Christian based forums. Love for one another is nowhere to be found in your hearts and that is obvious based on your words. You can share your perspective without the proverbial stoning of one another out of hatred. Love takes precedence even over faith and that makes it the most important message of the bible.


Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus replied, "Love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself."


1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.


1 Corinthians 13:13 And now these three remain: Faith hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Yes, we do love our neighbors. We have adressed who are our neighbors here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=71358


And of course, of faith hope and love, love is the greatest.


But God also command us to hate. There are several passages of the Bible about hate, the one I like the most is this:


Romans 9:13 “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”

I love the simplicity in which God tell us to hate someone, because he hates him.


So, in the end, we love the people God tell us to love, and hate the people who God tell us to hate. Simple as that.

[Basilissa]

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WOW. Hate overfloweth here!

Amen! Exactly as God commands:

Deuteronomy 7:26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

1) Is there not an entire book of the bible titled "NUMBERS"? Words have a broad application depending on one's definition. The bible is chock full of symbolism REGARDING NUMBERS. The bible starts out using numbers in Genesis, i.e. ... 7 days of creation. God made the earth that has 7 oceans, 7 continents, and the number 7 and it's derivatives are used 562 times in the bible. The number 40 is used over 200 times in the bible. The number 12 ... Jesus had 12 disciples, 12 tribes of Israel. In revelations 12:1 the 24 elders and 144,000 are both multiples of 12. The new Jerusalem has 12 foundations, 12 gates, 12 thousand furlongs, a tree with 12 kinds of fruit 12 times a year eaten by 12 x 12000 or the 144,000. Books of the bible are numbered as are the chapters and verses. Every statement in the bible numbered. Additionally, Jesus incorporated numbers into some of his parables as they relate to the future. In accordance with your definition of "numerology" Jesus stands guilty of using numerology and telling all of us who read them to as well as his parables relate to the future and involve numbers. The number 40 is used over 200 times in the bible, the number 9 is often found in scripture as is the number 1. The very principle of the New Testament is based on the Trinity (the number 3).

Are you aware that the words "numbers" and "numerology" have very distinct meanings?

I cannot find anything specific in the scriptures that blatantly states that numerology is a sin.

It's divination. God hates it:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12
10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

2) That being said, I am appalled by the hate that every single post here displays towards fellow brethren in Christ.

You say hate, I say tough love.

Proverbs 27:5 - Open rebuke [is] better than secret love.

1 Timothy 5:20 - Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Titus 2:15 - These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

The very thing Jesus warned of the most and apparently it is completely lost on you folks. Guard your hearts and minds from hate. Hate is the enemy.

That's not what God says, dear.

You single out verses and apply them out of context to suit your personal agendas and bolster your arguments as we see all too often on Christian based forums.

That's precious, accusing us of not following the Holy Bible faithfully enough! Sunshine, we follow it 100%. Totally. Completely. All of it.

Love for one another is nowhere to be found in your hearts and that is obvious based on your words. You can share your perspective without the proverbial stoning of one another out of hatred. Love takes precedence even over faith and that makes it the most important message of the bible.

Yes- but remember, God's love is conditional love:

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You are so certain you have it ALL figured out with your limited and rigid perspectives that you seem unwilling to glean any new insight regarding the bible which is full of mystery.

Are you suggesting that God gave humans such a complicated and mysterious Manual of Life that most people cannot understand it?

Why do you believe in such a cruel and hateful God?

[quot]We are expressly told in the bible not to take the words literally and if we do it will lead to spiritual death. [/quote]

Wrong.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I have been struggling so hard to understand the various messages conveyed in the bible and because of the complexities therein I am certain I will not reach a complete understanding of the same in this short lifetime, however, I am content with remaining a student anxious to learn and listen to all opinions in my quest for meaning which is the very thing that brings me to this forum and many like it.

You're overthinking it. God hates you for it:

1 Corinthians 3:18-20
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

4) Last but not least, I am dumbfounded by the fact that you wrap Jesus in the American flag when clearly American culture is steeped in Egyptian symbolism, including the donations you are happy to collect on behalf of your ministry (pyramids on the back of the dollar bill). The Washington monument is an obelisk. You are worshiping your country simultaneously while wrapping your Lord and Savior in the American flag. Are you suggesting God condones your doing so? Can you please explain what makes you think that?

How about this, dear:

Romans 13:1-7
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

[rainmom4x]

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Afterthought: I see under my username you have me listed as "Unsaved Trash". WOW! Additionally, in the upper left hand corner of this page your banner says "Unsaved Unwelcome" while in the right hand upper corner it clearly states, "Welcome Rainmom4". WOW!

[Basilissa]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

Afterthought: I see under my username you have me listed as "Unsaved Trash". WOW! Additionally, in the upper left hand corner of this page your banner says "Unsaved Unwelcome" while in the right hand upper corner it clearly states, "Welcome Rainmom4". WOW!

We have many new members every day, and 99% of them are, in fact, unsaved trash. Therefore, this is the default label for newcomers. You will remain labeled as "Unsaved Trash" until the Department of Faith finishes a detailed background check. Afterwards it will be decided whether a label change is appropriate.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Numerology is a SIN!!

Is there not an entire book of the bible titled "NUMBERS"?

Indeed! you should read the whole entire Bible, dear, not just one book. It'll change your life! Also, you might consider reading the OP of a thread to which you respond. I you have a 5th grade reading comprehension you shouldn't embarrass yourself again. If not, I would suggest you ask your care-taker to help explain the big words and complicated ideas to you in a simplified manner.

Please note, the Holy Word of God does not change Its message to appease the Special Snowflake Millennial. His promise to offer Salvation to those who meet His condition apply whether or not you personally think you're worth it.

Perhaps you'd like a snack or a little lie-down before you return. You seem awfully grumpy. Then, when you come back, you can tell us all about yourself! We'd love to fellowship with you!