[Cursed]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

If heaven is reserved only for a chosen few, then why do you want people to fear him NOW? Aint that just pure mocking? Like a child bullying another: "You are stupid, nananana! You are going to burn in hell, nananana!" No wonder people turns his back on Him then!

Mr. Collins, you act as if this is of my own devising. I did not write the Bible, GOD did.

The Holy Bible clearly and irrefutably states that He who is without fear of the LORD has no place in Heaven... it doesn't matter what you think, that's irrelevant. It may seem cruel or mocking to you, but we can't understand GOD, our minds are too tiny! Your projecting motivations that YOU are familiar with to the Almighty; He transcends your ability to comprehend.

Now, you can try to argue with GOD all that you want after you die, but He will not listen to you as you scream curses in Hell. He'll be up in Heaven, listening to True Christians as we sing His praises forever and ever and ever, hallelujah!

If they are destined for hell, then why live in shame and fear now? When they can have years of happiness on earth before they die and go to hell. Their time is now, so they need no God! He would just remind them of what horrible things they will experience eventually.

They should live in shame and fear now because GOD TOLD THEM TOO. It's not about them and their selfish wants! It's about GOD. We are here to serve Him!

It's very simple. Everybody should do what GOD tells them to do. He made them, after all.

The numbers of non-believers grows with every minute, too many negative things are being associated with religion. It does not fit in, in the modern world. In a hundred years from now religion will only be a part of human's history, I bealive. There's simply no room for it anymore, pushed away by science and technology.

Poppycock! The reason non-believers, science, and technology are exponentially increasing is that this is the end times. We won't be here in a hundred years, get real!

People do not want to live in fear, so they abandon God and seek explanations!

That's their call, but that decision will result in their burning in Hell forever and ever! I don't know why anyone would pick that.

As I said, nothing good has never come from a rule of terror, it destroys itself from within eventually, this same thing is happening to religion, that is the only explanation i can come up with about people abandoning their faith. If you have another, please enlighten me!

To me, the reason is obvious. GOD has hardened their heart, as is His wont (see Exodus 11:10, etc.). I suspect He's happy with His chosen few and the angels are preparing True Christian mansions as we speak! Praise Him!

I wonder if even I'll get a mansion? No, that's too much... I think I'll probably get cozy cottage in the woods, as I am a mongrel bastard and not as pretty as the rest of the True Christians.

I love God. But since the chances for me being one of the 144.000 is very slim. Then why should I praise him? There's simply aint nothing for me in it, or is there?

You're lying, and GOD hates liars (Proverbs 6:16-19)! If you loved GOD, you'd serve Him, you'd fear Him, and you'd dread Him, just like He told you too with His own words!

Why won't you obey your master? Why do you spurn GOD?

[TomCollins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Because they can REPENT! Get washed in the Blood of Christ! It's as simple as that. You have a FREE WILL to repent.

What is the meaning? They are still doomed, are'nt they? They can print bibles and piss on them, they would still end up the same way as if they prayed a hundred times every day and lived accordingly!

They should live in shame and fear now because GOD TOLD THEM TOO. It's not about them and their selfish wants! It's about GOD. We are here to serve Him!
It's very simple. Everybody should do what GOD tells them to do. He made them, after all.

The problem is, that a master, say for instance a keeper of a slave, would punish his slave if he did wrong. The problem with God is that he dont, atleast not until they die, and that's so abstract people dont even bother thinking about it! If he truly were allmighty, and created us out of his image, then why isn't everything just GREAT? For someone as powerfull as him, he could have created a place were everything was nice. He didn't. Because he didn't know how? Because he just wanted to use us as toys and play around? Because he was stupid? There are too many unanswered questions. To many gaps! Why do you need to convince people? He is almighty, isn't he? Could'nt he just make people believe?

And one more thing, if heaven is booked only for 144.000 people, then it is indeed stupid of you to try and convince others of that. Makes your chances even less! And why bother, in 2000 years God ought to have picked his little sheep-herd already! If what you believe in is true, and what you say about the world ending any minute now, then you will burn in hell as much as all others who didn't waste time in believing. I see now that religion is the true enemy. Progress is the future. And religion equals conservatism. Which deny things to become better. In your opinion I will burn in hell. But you have convinced me enough for me to know that so will you. God is the enemy. Through out the ages people has always rebelled against tyrants, this you must agree with! People has always been fighting for freedom, and against oppression! Who would symbolize the fight against oppression better if not SATAN? It is marvelous, that with your sad and tiny image of the world, you have managed to destroy my picture of religion....

[Cursed]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What is the meaning? They are still doomed, are'nt they? They can print bibles and piss on them, they would still end up the same way as if they prayed a hundred times every day and lived accordingly!

They should serve because it's the right thing to do, not for the reward. We were created to serve GOD.

If you're one of the Chosen, you know it. Since you don't know it, you're not. But you should still serve GOD. Perhaps the fires will be a little less hot for you if you behave? Maybe you all burn in the same temperature fire, but the ones that serve GOD don't get tortured by demons quite as much?

It's a mystery, but you'll know soon!

The problem is, that a master, say for instance a keeper of a slave, would punish his slave if he did wrong. The problem with God is that he dont, atleast not until they die, and that's so abstract people dont even bother thinking about it!

How is that abstract? They know they're going to die, and they know what's going to happen to them if they don't serve GOD. It's not as if Bibles are hard to find!

They are just too lazy and keep putting it off, procrastinating their salvation. Well, they'll have forever to regret in the Lake of Fire!

If he truly were allmighty, and created us out of his image, then why isn't everything just GREAT?

Everything was GREAT! Adam and Eve had it made, but that dumb whore had to shove the fruit of the tree into Adam's gob, and here we are, in this twisted, evil refuse of the Garden of Eden called Earth.

For someone as powerfull as him, he could have created a place were everything was nice. He didn't. Because he didn't know how? Because he just wanted to use us as toys and play around? Because he was stupid? There are too many unanswered questions. To many gaps! Why do you need to convince people? He is almighty, isn't he? Could'nt he just make people believe?

What's the fun in that? Sure, He could just force everyone to submit, but He's a gentleman. So instead, He let's them make a choice, most of the time.

Sometimes He hardens their heart when it suits Him, though. GOD can even break His own rules! After all, if He couldn't do anything, He wouldn't be GOD.

And one more thing, if heaven is booked only for 144.000 people, then it is indeed stupid of you to try and convince others of that. Makes your chances even less!

Look, we're not here to compete or pull the wool over anyone's eyes. We just report the facts as GOD presents to us in the 1611 King James Bible.

And why bother, in 2000 years God ought to have picked his little sheep-herd already!

He did! He picked all of His future guests in Heaven, He's knows everything! But some of those Heavenly guests may not have been born yet, we have no way of knowing.

If what you believe in is true, and what you say about the world ending any minute now, then you will burn in hell as much as all others who didn't waste time in believing.

That's just crazy! I know I'm going to Heaven because Reverend Jim Osborne told me so, and he's going to Heaven for sure, so he would know.

I see now that religion is the true enemy. Progress is the future. And religion equals conservatism. Which deny things to become better. In your opinion I will burn in hell.

WRONG. It's not MY opinion, it says so in The Holy Bible. It's GOD's opinion, which means it's fact, because whatever He wills is so.

But you have convinced me enough for me to know that so will you. God is the enemy. Through out the ages people has always rebelled against tyrants, this you must agree with! People has always been fighting for freedom, and against oppression! Who would symbolize the fight against oppression better if not SATAN? It is marvelous, that with your sad and tiny image of the world, you have managed to destroy my picture of religion....

You fool! You'll burn in Hell forever for talking like that, you should get down on your knees NOW and pray for the Holy Spirit to consume you!

It's your only hope, stop being hateful to your Creator!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What is the meaning? They are still doomed, are'nt they? They can print bibles and piss on them, they would still end up the same way as if they prayed a hundred times every day and lived accordingly!

The Bible addresses your concern. Basically, it says you are evil and have NO right to question God.

Romans 9:17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?

The problem with God is that he dont, atleast not until they die, and that's so abstract people dont even bother thinking about it! If he truly were allmighty, and created us out of his image, then why isn't everything just GREAT?

Because God doesn't want things to be great. God is the creator of all evil.

2 Kings 6:33 Behold, this evil is of the Lord.

Isaiah 45:7 I ... create evil.

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Because he just wanted to use us as toys and play around?

Yes, exactly. God even forces people who might have been able to believe in Him to become confused so they cannot be saved. AMEN!

He explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, "lest ... they ... should understand ... and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:10-15

The reason people didn't believe in Jesus was that God had "blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart." God did this so that they would not "understand with their heart, and be converted." John 12:40

God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And one more thing, if heaven is booked only for 144.000 people, then it is indeed stupid of you to try and convince others of that. Makes your chances even less! And why bother, in 2000 years God ought to have picked his little sheep-herd already!

Nope. Bible clearly states there will be still be saints living on earth when Jesus returns.

It is marvelous, that with your sad and tiny image of the world, you have managed to destroy my picture of religion....

It is marvelous. God is using us as the means to bring about your damnation. Let me tell you, I will enjoy watching from the balconies of heaven as you, your family and loved ones being tortured for all eternity

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What is the meaning? They are still doomed, are'nt they? They can print bibles and piss on them, they would still end up the same way as if they prayed a hundred times every day and lived accordingly!

Sure, the lot of them are scum only fit to be a demon's sex toy but that doesn't mean we TRUE Christians can just give up on them friend!

If there is ANY CHANCE one of them might make the correct choice to be worthy of Jesus unconditional love we TRUE Christians MUST take it! After all if people had just gone surrender monkey to Satan we Saved wouldn't be Saved.

Soldier up man, this War of Terror with Lucifer is never ending.

[TomCollins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

So you have submitted to the will of a tyrant even though a rebellion rages. A rebellion that would change the world for the better! You are pathetic in your existence. You bow when you should stand and fight! The time is near as you say. God has at his disposal 144.000 people. A force to be reckoned with, indeed. But what does the rebellion leader have? 99.99999% of all people who ever inhabited the world you said. The world will change. People stoped fearing the fires of hell, that was the beginning. This even proves that God is not flawless. What else might he have missed? Will he stand when hell unleashes its powers unto heaven? We cannot be sure no more and I really doubt it. It's game over for God. Maybe he's been dead for centuries. That would explain alot. And there are other books, I mean that are more up to date! 2000 years ago some stuff happened. a few hundred years later some guys, independent of one another other wrote it down. Have you ever played that children's game? When one whispers something to another, and that one passes it on to another and so on. What comes out at the end is usually not the same as what the first one really said. And this happens in just a few minutes. Imagine years then! This truly means that not all of the Bible is true. It's probably twisted quite alot! We cannot be sure of anything. Neither can we be sure that God even exists. It might just have been the biggest fraud the world has ever seen. I hate to say it, but the chance for us all being bullsh*ted from our very births is about as great as you said the numbers of people that would go to hell are: 99,9999999%.

Why should I fear the fires? It might be them how bring us warmth and comfort? You cannot know. You have only read the bible from heaven's point of view.

You laugh. I rejoice. My world is great. My love is even greater and I am loved even more. I have much more than one should ever ask for. If I will go to hell for bringing joy to the man next to me, then Hell is surely the "good" place and "heaven" is the bad one. Whatever is stated in the Bible. Many things from it is pure rubbish! My example above states this more accurately than for instance your way of proving the earth is flat (another thread I read).

Because some guy told you that you are one of the selected few, you believe him? Once again you fail to question! This will be your undoing! You are wasted lives. Living for a cause that does not exist. I feel pitty for you NOW! And if it is as you believe then you can pitty me when I am dead and you are too! I can atleast rejoice NOW and for many years to come! And maybe even after that. You've somewhat convinced me that the good guy is the one who lives in the basement! Hence I have no fires to fear!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

So you have submitted to the will of a tyrant even though a rebellion rages. A rebellion that would change the world for the better! You are pathetic in your existence. You bow when you should stand and fight! The time is near as you say. God has at his disposal 144.000 people. A force to be reckoned with, indeed. But what does the rebellion leader have? 99.99999% of all people who ever inhabited the world you said. The world will change. People stoped fearing the fires of hell, that was the beginning. This even proves that God is not flawless. What else might he have missed? Will he stand when hell unleashes its powers unto heaven? We cannot be sure no more and I really doubt it. It's game over for God. Maybe he's been dead for centuries. That would explain alot. And there are other books, I mean that are more up to date! 2000 years ago some stuff happened. a few hundred years later some guys, independent of one another other wrote it down. Have you ever played that children's game? When one whispers something to another, and that one passes it on to another and so on. What comes out at the end is usually not the same as what the first one really said. And this happens in just a few minutes. Imagine years then! This truly means that not all of the Bible is true. It's probably twisted quite alot! We cannot be sure of anything. Neither can we be sure that God even exists. It might just have been the biggest fraud the world has ever seen. I hate to say it, but the chance for us all being bullsh*ted from our very births is about as great as you said the numbers of people that would go to hell are: 99,9999999%.

Why should I fear the fires? It might be them how bring us warmth and comfort? You cannot know. You have only read the bible from heaven's point of view.

You laugh. I rejoice. My world is great. My love is even greater and I am loved even more. I have much more than one should ever ask for. If I will go to hell for bringing joy to the man next to me, then Hell is surely the "good" place and "heaven" is the bad one. Whatever is stated in the Bible. Many things from it is pure rubbish! My example above states this more accurately than for instance your way of proving the earth is flat (another thread I read).

Because some guy told you that you are one of the selected few, you believe him? Once again you fail to question! This will be your undoing! You are wasted lives. Living for a cause that does not exist. I feel pitty for you NOW! And if it is as you believe then you can pitty me when I am dead and you are too! I can atleast rejoice NOW and for many years to come! And maybe even after that. You've somewhat convinced me that the good guy is the one who lives in the basement! Hence I have no fires to fear!

You just worship satan because he lets you sin. Admit it.

[TomCollins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I was merely trying to be even more convinced in my faith! I came here wanting to understand, and be convinced in my faith! But the same thing happens as with all religious-fanatic-groups: There is absolutely no way of discussing anything with them! Their arguments fades away like snow on a warm spring morn'. Their line of sight is that of a tunnel. They cannot see anything but what is shu*ed up right in front of their face. To question is to understand! To understand is to have knowledge! To have knowledge is to prosper! To bring prosperity, in a good way of course, will earn you salvation! I see now that fanatic groups cannot yield answers to those who seek it. This is what has made the progressive part of the world abandon them and fight them. You killed yourselves. You failed yourselves. But it aint your fault, friends! It began long before any of you were even born. When (if) I go to hell, if my view of the world has not made me one of Gods chosen, It would surely please Satan (the fighter against the oppression eg. William Wallace = Satan, Edward the Longshanks = God, from a Scots point of view) and I would join forces with him. And when 99.99999997% of all people who ever lived, all the deamons of hell and Satan himself marches against heaven, then you will fear my fiery sword! And the world shall be rid of vermin such as yourself and all shall prosper and rejoice, for that which is evil is gone!

Billy Bob Jenkins:

You are a great laugh! Just like a Torturer from the dark ages, you want me to admit things that I do not. In doing this, you have truly showed me, and everyone else that reads this that you are trying to manipulate the truth and bend it into a truth that fits your world! You are, according to the people of this website an UNTRUE christian. This means that you will burn in hell, someone here told me. Sorry, mate!

[María Gálvez-Villalobos]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I was merely trying to be even more convinced in my faith! I came here wanting to understand, and be convinced in my faith! But the same thing happens as with all religious-fanatic-groups: There is absolutely no way of discussing anything with them! Their arguments fades away like snow on a warm spring morn'. Their line of sight is that of a tunnel. They cannot see anything but what is shu*ed up right in front of their face. To question is to understand! To understand is to have knowledge! To have knowledge is to prosper! To bring prosperity, in a good way of course, will earn you salvation! I see now that fanatic groups cannot yield answers to those who seek it. This is what has made the progressive part of the world abandon them and fight them. You killed yourselves. You failed yourselves. But it aint your fault, friends! It began long before any of you were even born. When (if) I go to hell, if my view of the world has not made me one of Gods chosen, It would surely please Satan (the fighter against the oppression eg. William Wallace = Satan, Edward the Longshanks = God, from a Scots point of view) and I would join forces with him. And when 99.99999997% of all people who ever lived, all the deamons of hell and Satan himself marches against heaven, then you will fear my fiery sword! And the world shall be rid of vermin such as yourself and all shall prosper and rejoice, for that which is evil is gone!

Billy Bob Jenkins:

You are a great laugh! Just like a Torturer from the dark ages, you want me to admit things that I do not. In doing this, you have truly showed me, and everyone else that reads this that you are trying to manipulate the truth and bend it into a truth that fits your world! You are, according to the people of this website an UNTRUE christian. This means that you will burn in hell, someone here told me. Sorry, mate!

Why bring Mel Gibson onto this?
What is your pointer?
You think this is any silly game whit Mel Gibson metafors?
What have scottishs viewpointers have do whit this?
I think you are only intolerant mocker here for annoy people. A game? Lose you youselve please.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

When (if) I go to hell, if my view of the world has not made me one of Gods chosen,

What makes you think your understanding of the world could possibly be better than your creators? For the sake of argument let's assume God is an idiot (which God is not) - that makes you the idiot creation of an idiot god.

[TomCollins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What makes you think your understanding of the world could possibly be better than your creators? For the sake of argument let's assume God is an idiot (which God is not) - that makes you the idiot creation of an idiot god.

I do not believe that my understanding of the world is better than my creator. I do however know that a book, written by many people over a very large time span, does not contain the ultimate truth. Because of this I know that my understanding is greater than for instance yours.

Well, God is not an idiot, so I'm not one=)

And Maria:

Sometimes childish explanations are the ones easiest to understand!
Me being intollerant!!!????? That is absolutely madness! Intollerant is someone who judges before he understands! To make you understand, here's another childish explanation:

Mr. SuicideBomber walks down the street and meets an unknown person. The unknown person asks Mr. SuicideBomber:
"What if your belief is the wrong one?"
Mr. SuicideBomber, being a religious fanatic (which equals extremely intollerant) BLOWS HIMSELF UP!

Another, not as violent:
Mr. True Christian (who by the way is trademarked) sits on a chair and thinking about how wonderful it will be when he goes to heaven. A little boy comes running, asking the True Christian:
"Can you tell me about the evolution theory?"
Mr. True Christian (still trademarked, I wonder if God is trademarked?) answers the boy: "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR MENTIONING THAT, BLASPHEMY, BLASPHEMY!" And he will probably spank/punish the boy aswell. This is intollerance, and all religious fanatics suffer from it! You are not the person to call anyone intollerant!

And I do not mock (except the "trademark" part above, you gotta have a little fun!), I seek answers! You telling me to burn in hell instantly, that is intollerance!

I don't think this is a game. I think it's a quest! A quest for salvation! The more one can understand, the easier will it be to earn it!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

The more one can understand, the easier will it be to earn it!

You don't EARN salvation. You are saved if God wants you to be saved. Nothing you say or do can change that.

• John 15:16: "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

• Romans 9:15-16: "For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy."

• Ephesians 1:11: "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,"

• 2 Thessalonians 2:13: "But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification [by the Spirit] and belief in the truth."

[TomCollins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

• Ephesians 1:11: "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,"

• 2 Thessalonians 2:13: "But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification [by the Spirit] and belief in the truth."

First quote sais that it does'nt matter what we do, we are destined to end up whereever it is we are ending up.

Second quote sais that God choses us because of our belief in "the truth".

This is quite contradictionary, is'nt it? How can we be predestined, but still He does'nt pick us untill he knows that we believe in him? If he knew that we were going to believe in him, then there would be simply no point of saying that he will chose us because of our belief in the truth?

[Wide-Open]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

This is quite contradictionary, is'nt it?

You missed 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion', Scripture provided by the kind HB for your education.

It looks like a contradiction, but yet it isn't. Can't you even see that????

Lordy! Open your eyes!

Perhaps He is waiting for you to do the right thing Tom. Maybe you were predestined all along. But it's YOUR free will to grasp it.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I do not believe that my understanding of the world is better than my creator. I do however know that a book, written by many people over a very large time span, does not contain the ultimate truth. Because of this I know that my understanding is greater than for instance yours.

Lovely, pompous grandstanding that says nothing.

Look kid your statement begs the obvious question- were you find out about the nature of the creator? Only three sources; sacred texts like the Bible, science or personal revelation (as in making it up). Since you have dismissed sacred text that leaves science and making it up. Science says it is quite possible for the creator to mindless so that leaves you with the third option "making it up"

So please do go on about your personal revelations and why they are so much better than The Bible. I could use the laugh.

Idiot creation of an idiot creator indeed.