[GOD=life]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

As a Christian, I refuse to allow the misuse of God's word for personal satisfaction, and manipulation.

That's strange, because that pretty much sums up our position on the Bible. Your argument is that in your opinion, the Bible is wrong and that you know better than God. Nice self-referential argument there...

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And in case you think you're a "good" Christian for making your own version of the Bible, think again:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

[Rev. Aaron]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Dear Rev. Aaron, The "Rev." in your name stands for Revisionist, right? Okay. According to your morals, murdering an innocent child is just fine.

Could you kindly explain to this audience of Christians what exactly this unborn child did to you that makes it worthy of being murdered?

Thank you,

A Concerned Christian

Nope :-)
Rev. Stands for Reverend, Pastor. a.k.a, an ordained and licensed minister.

First of all, Deuteronomy 23:25 says nothing of sex to begin with, and it doesn't even extend to a verse 27. Please put a basic amount of research and self-checking into your arguments.

Furthermore, even the false-Christians who compiled the NIV and other Bibles knew that Deuteronomy 22:28-29 was speaking of rape:

ooops typo I meant Duet 22

[Bob4God]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Nope :-)
Rev. Stands for Reverend, Pastor. a.k.a, an ordained and licensed minister.

It's pretty sad that you could become an ordained minister and not even know what the Bible says. I guess preaching licenses are like drivers' licenses: They'll issue them to just anybody off the street.

ooops typo I meant Duet 22

Would you care to address the rest of my post?

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

OMG, wtf what the HELL is wrong with you, you damn retard!?

1st words came out of my mouth when i read that... my god

"Well, I guess you have to go with what works for you. Enjoy hell! "

In all honesty I could not stand by and watch as someone abuses a girl, and the Word of God.

All of your sentiments have been brought up and ANSWERED in this thread. Here is a summary. Please READ a thread before you post in it!

[Rev. Aaron]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Just as a general reply...I am NOT unsaved trash...I worked hard for my ordination and spent years in ministry school.


I did address the rest of your post, by stating that I put a 23 instead of a 22, and if you go back to the HEBREW, you will find the situation mention in the verses beyond what I quoted are a completely different situation :-). I refuse to be badgered anymore, but I will lurk more.


I would like to thank Mr. Hutchins for giving me an infraction...if I knew how to reply to your message I would do it privately, but since I cannot, I will basically tell you this.....the truth can sometimes burn...especially those that involve themselves in a cult :-)

[Bob4God]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I did address the rest of your post, by stating that I put a 23 instead of a 22, and if you go back to the HEBREW, you will find the situation mention in the verses beyond what I quoted are a completely different situation :-). I refuse to be badgered anymore, but I will lurk more.

No, you addressed the easy part.

If you feel that you can prove us wrong, please do so. Just keep in mind that you're not just going against us, you're going against GOD.

[Rev. Aaron]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

oh no :-) i am going against flesh and blood, and people who have their interpretation of God's word....if I was going against God, I would already be dead

[InvisiblePinkUnicorn]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I did address the rest of your post, by stating that I put a 23 instead of a 22, and if you go back to the HEBREW, you will find the situation mention in the verses beyond what I quoted are a completely different situation :-). I refuse to be badgered anymore, but I will lurk more.

As everyone here knows, I am an atheist. I wasn't going to comment until I saw that you, a professed "normal" Christian are being VERY disingenuous here. The MAIN reason I came to LBC to talk is that they are very up front about their faith. YOU, however, are making assertions that seem to counter what the plan text of your Holy Book says and NOT providing any documentation to back up your assertions. For example, here are various translations of the scripture in quesiton:

28`When a man findeth a damsel, a virgin who is not betrothed, and hath caught her, and lain with her, and they have been found,
29then hath the man who is lying with her given to the father of the damsel fifty silverlings, and to him she is for a wife; because that he hath humbled her, he is not able to send her away all his days.

Young's Litteral

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [a] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

NIV

28"(A)If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,
29then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.

NASB

28-29 When a man comes upon a virgin who has never been engaged and grabs and rapes her and they are found out, the man who raped her has to give her father fifty pieces of silver. He has to marry her because he took advantage of her. And he can never divorce her.

The Message

28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

King James

28 If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged to be married and forces her to have sexual relations with him and people find out about it,29 the man must pay the girl's father about one and one-fourth pounds of silver. He must also marry the girl, because he has dishonored her, and he may never divorce her for as long as he lives.

New Century

28 Suppose a man happens to see a virgin who hasn't promised to marry another man. And the man who happens to see her rapes her. But someone discovers them. 29 Then the man must weigh out 20 ounces of silver. He must give it to the woman's father. The man must marry the woman, because he raped her. And he can never divorce her as long as he lives.

NIRV

Now, ignoring the absurdity that there are so many different translations of the supposed word of God, you MUST acknowledge that ALL of these say that if a man uses force to have sex with an unmarried virgin, he must marry her. Even YOUNG'S LITERAL says so and it is as close to original Hebrew as you can get! Yet YOU claim that they are ALL wrong. Please produce documentation. If you don't, we will all know what a "normal" Christian is all about: Lying about what his Holy Book says and then running away to hide.

[Jacob the Angry Liar]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I am so glad that you as individuals take the verse in Deuteronomy completely out of context. Is it not apparent in English that it is meaning consentual sex? NOT RAPE, A.K.A. FORCED SEX.

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

It says LAY HOLD. To lay hold of is to grab, grasp or seize. This implies that it is forced. This case presented in Deuteronomy is non-consensual sex. The Bible takes both consensual and non-consensual sex into considerations, but the former is in a different passage:

And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife (Exodus 22:16)

I find the answer to this question, also in

Deuteronomy, 23:25-27

25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This is what happens if the woman is married. If she is not married, then she must marry the rapist as per Deut 22:28-29

[James Hutchins]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Just as a general reply...I am NOT unsaved trash...I worked hard for my ordination and spent years in ministry school.


I did address the rest of your post, by stating that I put a 23 instead of a 22, and if you go back to the HEBREW, you will find the situation mention in the verses beyond what I quoted are a completely different situation :-). I refuse to be badgered anymore, but I will lurk more.


I would like to thank Mr. Hutchins for giving me an infraction...if I knew how to reply to your message I would do it privately, but since I cannot, I will basically tell you this.....the truth can sometimes burn...especially those that involve themselves in a cult :-)

You have failed miserably by not following the rules of the forum. We have rules, just as God does. Failure to follow gets you banned.
I mentioned you needed to follow the rules. You blatantly ignored me.
I infracted you, you talked back. My finger is hovering over the button at this very moment.
The Baptist religion is no cult. It upsets you that we actually follow the entire Bible, as it was written, as God intended.

[James Hutchins]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

oh no :-) i am going against flesh and blood, and people who have their interpretation of God's word....if I was going against God, I would already be dead

We do not interpret the Bible, we follow it, as it was written. If you really knew anything about God, he does not strike you down the moment you wrong him. He waits until you least expect it or he hurts someone you love to make the guilt of your evil doings burn long until death at which time He thrusts you into the fires of Hell to burn in excruciating pain for all of eternity, pal.

[Bob4God]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

and if you go back to the HEBREW, you will find the situation mention in the verses beyond what I quoted are a completely different situation :-).

So are you saying the truth and meaning of GOD's divine word has been filtered or lost through the ages?

That's quite a ludicrous and blasphemous thing for a Christian to suggest.

[Rev. Aaron]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Oh no...it is not ludicrous at all :-) the English language is so much less complex than Hebrew, I am fairly certain that you are of the same group of close minded fools that have managed to shove millions away from God's love. I am very certain the the English Bible is inaccurate (especially as seeing as how Greek has 3 separate words for love, with 3 separate meanings as an example :-) )

I will say the most closed minded and unacceptable Christians are in the Baptist denomination, I would much rather discuss religion with a Catholic, or a Pentecostal, than with a Baptist, it is all a bunch of what the preacher said stuff, and never doing any real research. If you wish to ban me, go ahead, but I will say that I have spoken truth today, and apologized for my mistakes.


You can say I will burn in hell, but I will be glad when the day of the sheep and goats comes, and I am with the sheep, and you are with the goats

[Rev. Aaron]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I am going to a class...ill be back later....BYE!

[A Follower]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I assume the word you think is mistranslated in not just the Lord's Holy Bible, but all other Bibles as well is תָּפַשׂ

But even in "complex" Hebrew it means to take something with the intention to use it. It is never used in a consensual way, the word is for when you are talking about using some sort of tool or in this case another object that does not have any say in how it will be used.

You know that by lying about God's Word you are condemning yourself to Hell, right?

And what is a Reverend doing in class? Are you a student and have you lied about yourself to try and give yourself more credibility (like most atheists here seem to do)? You shouldn't do that, especially not when you don't have the knowledge to keep the scam going for more than a few sentences.