[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

At this point we have reached a argumental stalemate.

Dear, this forum doesn't exist to argue points. It exists to praise Jesus, glorify His Holy Name, and expose the beauty and majesty of the Holy Bible.

I have explained myself as much as i could and so have you and I have gotten to you core beliefs (scriptural evidence). I will not be able to get you to go against that nor do i want to.

If you don't want us to go against our core beliefs, why argue against them?

I think everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

It doesn't matter what you or I think, dear. It matters only what the LORD thinks. No one else has the power to offer eternal damnation, or eternal salvation, so whatever anyone else thinks is rather irrelevant. Don't you think?

[Viscous Turdhead]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

At this point we have reached a argumental stalemate. I have explained myself as much as i could and so have you and I have gotten to you core beliefs (scriptural evidence). I will not be able to get you to go against that nor do i want to. I think everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

...In many cases, people afflicted with down syndrome are christian. It hasn't made their symptoms go away though...

The Bible says that God will cure true believers of all their illness, disease, and ailments. If these "christians" have symptoms that do not go away, logic dictates that they are not really Christians.

James 5:15-16 "15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

The link you provided me is just a reiteration of the original post, it contains no scriptural evidence for your argument.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

People CHOOSE to be fools because they hate learning i.e. lazy.

YIC

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

In many cases, people afflicted with down syndrome are christian. It hasn't made their symptoms go away though.

Then they aren't really Christian, now are they?

DNA is actually almost universally accepted. In criminal cases, DNA evidence is put above eye witness accounts in importance. Examining peoples DNA has given people the ability to diagnose other genetic predispositions (Alzheimers, cancer) and perhaps lessen their impact.

So too was the theory of Lamarkian evolution, but that didn't make it true.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

One can say that when they die, their bones can be opened and the marrow harvested. Its also possible to harvest fetal stem cells from other animals. If we can perfect DNA transition, then they might be able to be put into humans.

I hardly think making so called monkey men will gain God's approval

Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

YIC

[Viscous Turdhead]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Of course it is. You can read an in depth and Biblically accurate explanation about this HERE.

The link you provided me is just a reiteration of the original post, it contains no scriptural evidence for your argument.

In any case, the LORD gave all men free will to choose to accept Jesus as the Christ.

In many cases, people afflicted with down syndrome are christian. It hasn't made their symptoms go away though.

All this talk of DNA (which not everyone has faith in anyway) is pointless.

DNA is actually almost universally accepted. In criminal cases, DNA evidence is put above eye witness accounts in importance. Examining peoples DNA has given people the ability to diagnose other genetic predispositions (Alzheimers, cancer) and perhaps lessen their impact.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Down Syndrome is not a lifestyle choice.

Of course it is. You can read an in depth and Biblically accurate explanation about this HERE.

In any case, the LORD gave all men free will to choose to accept Jesus as the Christ, raised from the dead to save those who believe (Romans 10:9), or choose to go to Hell for all eternity. All this talk of DNA (which not everyone has faith in anyway) is pointless.

[Viscous Turdhead]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

One can say that when they die, their bones can be opened and the marrow harvested. Its also possible to harvest fetal stem cells from other animals. If we can perfect DNA transition, then they might be able to be put into humans.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

In no way did I advocate stem cell research, I just mentioned what it would mean if such a study is funded again. Also, stem cells exist in the marrow of all bones. These cells provide a way from red blood cells to reproduce since they do not carry DNA (saves more room to hold oxygen). While these cells are not as flexible as fetus stem cells, they are a way to obtain them in a much less unethical way.

Cracking open someone's bones may be a deterrent from being a Mongol but it does not solve the issue of personal responsibilty.

If a child learns it can drool into it's soup or hoot and holler like a monkey and fling it's business at people without punishment how do you expect it to behave?

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

YIC

[Viscous Turdhead]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

In no way did I advocate stem cell research, I just mentioned what it would mean if such a study is funded again. Also, stem cells exist in the marrow of all bones. These cells provide a way from red blood cells to reproduce since they do not carry DNA (saves more room to hold oxygen). While these cells are not as flexible as fetus stem cells, they are a way to obtain them in a much less unethical way.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Methods of epigenetics is not a viable way to alter the DNA of every cell. You would have to work at one cell at a time, and humans have on the order of trillions of cells. The best way go go about altering every cell would be to introduce a synthetic virus that will infect multiple cells and alter their DNA in a way without killing them, this will not work with every type of cell. Using stem cell research, one could get around this by altering the DNA of a single cell and have it multiply into every other type of cell. Even so, there is no way to voluntarely do this without massive amounts of money.

What are you talking about? Stem cell research is just another way to kill babies.

Look as you are about 21 or 22 years old I don't expect you to know the ins and outs of the discussion but you do at least some research before posting.

YIC

[Viscous Turdhead]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Methods of epigenetics is not a viable way to alter the DNA of every cell. You would have to work at one cell at a time, and humans have on the order of trillions of cells. The best way go go about altering every cell would be to introduce a synthetic virus that will infect multiple cells and alter their DNA in a way without killing them, this will not work with every type of cell. Using stem cell research, one could get around this by altering the DNA of a single cell and have it multiply into every other type of cell. Even so, there is no way to voluntarely do this without massive amounts of money.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

And there is no way that the behavior of a person will change the DNA in every one of their cells to give an extra copy of an entire chromosome. Even modern science can not do that yet

I take it you have never heard of epigenetics

Epigenetics

[Viscous Turdhead]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

These people do in fact go to school. They try to get an education, their parents force them to try to learn, but they are physically incapable of earning at the rate in which most kids learn.

I am not entirely sure how obesity got put into the discussion.

But this stunted growth is not to do with how they eat. there is no correlation between how nutritious the food of a person is and whether they become afflicted with down syndrome. And there is no way that the behavior of a person will change the DNA in every one of their cells to give an extra copy of an entire chromosome. Even modern science can not do that yet