[Mr Holyfire]

Wait a minute...

Would you care to back that up with proof? because I think you are talking out of your... proverbial backside...

Okay, first we will start with your claim of the bible having different versions; therefore corrupt, and your precious Qur'an (which I gladly use as toilet paper) is unchanged; therefore the truth...

You claim the bible is corrupt because it renders a single text with many words and phrases, and that the Qur'an reads exactly the same everywhere in the world in Arabic.
Since the many English translations of the Qur'an also renders a single text with many different words and phraes; does that proof the Qur'an is corrupt?

Answer that first before I answer any more questions...

YIC,
Mr. H

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Wait a minute...

Bro Holyfire, the heretic TruePath will tell you that only the Koran in Arabic is the Word of Allan. However, he knows deep inside his soul that it was copied time and again by ignorant bronze-age goatherders beset by flies and heat, and that the first copy is 400 years after the death of Moohamid and also filled with typos- thus it is at best a vague guess as to what Allan said.

This is in stark contrast to KJV1611 which is, as we here all know, God's Final Word on the matter of His Autobiography and thus perfectly accurate and inerrant.

[TruePath]

Re: Wait a minute...

Okay, first we will start with your claim of the bible having different versions; therefore corrupt, and your precious Qur'an (which I gladly use as toilet paper) is unchanged; therefore the truth...

You claim the bible is corrupt because it renders a single text with many words and phrases, and that the Qur'an reads exactly the same everywhere in the world in Arabic.
Since the many English translations of the Qur'an also renders a single text with many different words and phraes; does that proof the Qur'an is corrupt?

Answer that first before I answer any more questions...

YIC,
Mr. H

only the Koran in Arabic is the Word of Allah. The others are just translations.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: Is Jesus God?

If I have mistranslated it, why is it that so many MUSLIMS reading the original ARABIC seem to agree with me???

http://www.muslimhope.com/AishaNine.htm

Notice how he has yet to respond to this. Whata re you scared of? Do you realize now that your god is a small god and that our God is stronger?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Wait a minute...

Bro Holyfire, the heretic TruePath will tell you that only the Koran in Arabic is the Word of Allan. [...]

only the Koran in Arabic is the Word of Allah. The others are just translations.

Ahem, "Told you so."

Moohamid allegedly got it all from the angel Gabriel, how likely is that? Obviously, Allan was busy somewhere else that day.

[Aristotle]

Re: Wait a minute...

only the Koran in Arabic is the Word of Allah. The others are just translations.

You think God would choose a language that reads backwards and doesn't even show vowels properly?

[Mr Holyfire]

Re: Is Jesus God?

Now to really bring the Truth to you all.

The book of Galatians was written in either 48AD or 55AD.
Muhammad was born in 570AD.

What is my point in stating the above two facts?

I stating this to simply show you all that Galatians was written before Muhammad was even born.

Galatians even states in Chapter 1, Verses 8 and 9, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." We are told if anyone (or even an angel) is to preach a gospel different from the Gospel of Jesus; he is to be accursed! What makes this stand out is the fact Muhammad was told a different gospel by an angel long after we were given the warning through Galatians 1:8-9.
Galatians 1:8-9 clearly warned us that there will be people (and angels) will come preaching another gospel, much in the style of how Muhammad was told by an angel, and how Joseph Smith was also told by an angel.

TruePath, can you explain that? You simply cannot!

[Aristotle]

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Now to really bring the Truth to you all.

The book of Galatians was written in either 48AD or 55AD.
Muhammad was born in 570AD.

What is my point in stating the above two facts?

I stating this to simply show you all that Galatians was written before Muhammad was even born.

Galatians even states in Chapter 1, Verses 8 and 9, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." We are told if anyone (or even an angel) is to preach a gospel different from the Gospel of Jesus; he is to be accursed! What makes this stand out is the fact Muhammad was told a different gospel by an angel long after we were given the warning through Galatians 1:8-9.
Galatians 1:8-9 clearly warned us that there will be people (and angels) will come preaching another gospel, much in the style of how Muhammad was told by an angel, and how Joseph Smith was also told by an angel.

TruePath, can you explain that? You simply cannot!

Does this mean that Mormons are really Muslims? That would explain why they both have multiple wives.

[Mr Holyfire]

Ultimate Evidence

Does this mean that Mormons are really Muslims? That would explain why they both have multiple wives.

Brother, I wouldn't say that, however; I will say this... both Muslims and Mormons believe in a religion that was created by a man who listened to an angel preaching a gospel other than the only true one of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Why would I say that and what legitimate evidence do I provide for saying this?
I say this because of Galatians 1:8-9

Galatians 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9 tells us clearly that if anyone, even an angel, who preaches a gospel other than that of Jesus Christ should be accursed.
Muslims will try to say that I'm referring to a corrupt book (the Bible) but the thing is I'm quoting from a source that was around long before Muhammad was born. Islam would of never started if Muhammad heeded the warning from Galatians 1:8-9 (he could of easily because Galatians 1:8-9 was around even before he was born).

My legitimate evidence is the fact Galatians 1:8-9 existed 515-522 years [basically half a century] before the angel preached to Muhammad a different gospel.

That said; my point is made.

[TruePath]

Re: Is Jesus God?

Galatians? What is Galatians?

It is a letter written by a man who never even met Jesus to a small congregation in Galatia. Hardly scripture in my opinion.

The Noble Qu'ran is dictated by Allah, the same God you worship, by His Holy Vessel the Archangel Gabriel. Not a single word has been changed, unlike your so called scriptures that are altered all the time (just look at how the NLT and the NIV and the TNIV change all the time).

Arabic is the oldest language in the world and was spoken by Adam(pbuh) and Eve(pbuh) and is the language of Heaven. This is the truth and those who disbelieve will burn in hell forever.

[Jerakk]

Re: Is Jesus God?

Galatians? What is Galatians?

It is a letter written by a man who never even met Jesus to a small congregation in Galatia. Hardly scripture in my opinion.

The Noble Qu'ran is dictated by Allah, the same God you worship, by His Holy Vessel the Archangel Gabriel. Not a single word has been changed, unlike your so called scriptures that are altered all the time (just look at how the NLT and the NIV and the TNIV change all the time).

Arabic is the oldest language in the world and was spoken by Adam(pbuh) and Eve(pbuh) and is the language of Heaven. This is the truth and those who disbelieve will burn in hell forever.

The last time I checked we don't worship the moon, we worship God and his only begotten son The Lord Jesus Christ.

[TruePath]

Re: Is Jesus God?

The last time I checked we don't worship the moon, we worship God and his only begotten son The Lord Jesus Christ.

Who worships the moon? Only pagans and devil worshippers who we will soon convert, Insha`Allah.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is Jesus God?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is Jesus God?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

• Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
• Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes
• Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes
• Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
• What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
• Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes
• Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes
• Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
• Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
• Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
• Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
• At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
• Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.
• Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
• Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.
• Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.
• Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”
• Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
• Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.
• What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

[Mr Holyfire]

Re: Is Jesus God?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

• Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
• Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes
• Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes
• Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
• What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
• Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes
• Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes
• Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
• Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
• Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
• Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
• At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
• Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.
• Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
• Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.
• Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.
• Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”
• Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
• Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.
• What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

And he is trying to tell us that the Qur'an is unchanged and unaltered