[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

Hold on a second, I wouldn't class myself as an atheist, I'm more agnostic than anything else,

There isn't a spectrum, friend. It doesn't work like this:

believer ---> agnostic ----> atheist

Gnosticism refers to knowledge. Agnostic means you don't know anything and are too timid to learn.
Theism refers to God. Atheistic means you hate God and rebel against Him.

but just because some people choose to not believe in God, you pair them up with sex offenders and terrorists?

It does work like this:

atheist ---> immoral ----> danger to society

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that God created us with free will?

For the purpose of clarity, can you show which chapter and verse you find "God created us with free will"? Thanks.

If that's the case, then why would he be mad at us for choosing what we want to believe?

He is a jealous God and an angry God. Besides, He makes the rules and His rules are Just because He makes them and He is Just.

Just because people do not believe in God does not mean that they are inherently bad people,

Yes it does:

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luke 18:19

If one does not have the Spirit of God dwelling in their soul, they are incapable of being good.

I'm sure the millions of Doctors, Teachers, Paramedics and numerous other jobs and people, who don't believe in God would agree with me.

Being a doctor, teacher, paramedic or any other profession doesn't make a person good. Nor does it matter because God cares not what you DO, but only what you BELIEVE. (Ephesians 2:8-9) You can be a wonderful, charitable, helpful person and still roast in Hell for all eternity because you chose to spit in the loving face of Jesus who died temporarily for your many despicable sins. (John 3:18)

I'm a teacher, granted I'm not American, but I don't judge people on their beliefs, I couldn't care less if they did or didn't believe in God, as long as they are nice people and have the best interests for their children and their community at heart, I mean, isn't that what God would want?

What makes you think God wants that? Have you read the Holy Bible, friend, or are you just assuming based on what you hear from watered down religion? For your information, God wants us to go teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19) See? Nothing about being "nice" or having the "best interests for their children and their community at heart."

Going after people for what they believe in is, well, in my own very strong opinion, wrong. History is a giant indicator to that, how do you think the majorities of conflicts started?

Well, and I say this in all genteelness, why should we care about your very strong opinion? Can YOU spare us an eternity in Hell? If not, then as nice a guy as you might be, your opinion is really rather useless isn't it? After all, it's not like on Judgement Day you'll change God's mind by telling Him you thought it best to not bother people with telling them the necessity of believing in His Son.

If this does get passed, and makes its way to England, I will be fighting against it.

Pedophiles fight against registration, too, but the LORD will not be thwarted. If it is His Will, and we pray it will be, your fight will be for naught.

Now, I think I put my point across in the most diplomatic way possible. If I have offended anyone, I apologise, that was not my intention, but I hope that if anyone does reply to this post, that they post back without anything hateful.

What makes you think people here would post anything hateful?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Dan

You're quite welcome, Dan. I'd be happy to see you introduce yourself in our Introductions thread. Tell us what church you go to and how has Jesus blessed you this day?

[Spike298]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

Tell me 'Spike', do you think Sex offenders and terrorists are Christians? What kind of a sicko are you?

Where did I say that James? You are jumping to conclusions because I'm not agreeing with you on this topic. But then, where does it say that sex offenders and terrorists cannot be Christians? Surely it is their choice. How am I 'sicko'? You have never met me, and have no idea of the person I am. Is it because I say I'm agnostic? (A belief that a Deity COULD be out there)

[Bobby-Joe]

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Where did I say that James? You are jumping to conclusions because I'm not agreeing with you on this topic. But then, where does it say that sex offenders and terrorists cannot be Christians? Surely it is their choice. How am I 'sicko'? You have never met me, and have no idea of the person I am. Is it because I say I'm agnostic? (A belief that a Deity COULD be out there)

No TRUE Christian is a sicko child rapist or terrorist. Christ forbids such acts (except were God commands us otherwise) However Atheism has no such prohibition in it's religion so they can rape and murder at will.

And The Deity IS here friend. You know it secretly but refuse to admit it.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

Where did I say that James? You are jumping to conclusions because I'm not agreeing with you on this topic. But then, where does it say that sex offenders and terrorists cannot be Christians? Surely it is their choice. How am I 'sicko'? You have never met me, and have no idea of the person I am. Is it because I say I'm agnostic? (A belief that a Deity COULD be out there)

You timid fence sitters will burn.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I bear you no ill will in this; it is but a warning.

Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

There's still time to stop your wretched shilly shallying, to take a good look at God and make the right decision on whether He exists or does not.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Is it because I say I'm agnostic? (A belief that a Deity COULD be out there)

Agnosticism is the belief that humans cannot know God. It's not "believing in maybe".

You either believe there is adequate evidence to support believe in a deity (theist), or you do not (atheist).

You either believe we can know God (gnostic), or you do not (agnostic).

See the difference?

"Agnostic" is not a step somewhere between "theist" and "atheist".

[Mr.Person]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

Agnosticism is the belief that humans cannot know God. It's not "believing in maybe".

You either believe there is adequate evidence to support believe in a deity (theist), or you do not (atheist).

You either believe we can know God (gnostic), or you do not (agnostic).

See the difference?

"Agnostic" is not a step somewhere between "theist" and "atheist".

Hello, just a first comment before I begin. Let the logical people deal with the definitions of words. An agnostic atheist is simply someone who admits there may be a god, or gods, but isn't certain which is the right one. Every argument you make that "yours is the true faith" can be opposed by every other religion.

Ok, main point in hand. Let's say Atheists were to start a petition to list every Christian in their area so they couldn't preach without being arrested. You'd call that being persecuted, wouldn't you? Literally every post for this idea has been full of persecution and hypocrisy. Let me guess "not quoting scripture, so I'll ignore that" because you're afraid of being proven wrong. You are judging, you are hateful, and you are afraid. A lack of god does not mean a lack of morals, same as God does not suddenly give you them. There have been dozens of Christians who have caused genocides, been mass murders and the like. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...cal_Christians) Additionally, if you want to boycott atheists, please do so. Stop using your local grocery store, please turn your computer off right now, and please never touch your car again. I guarantee all are designed or owned by atheists in this day and age (I cannot provide evidence for them all, you can do that yourself).

In conclusion. An atheist chooses to live life in any way he pleases. I have never intentionally hurt another, drunk, smoked, cheated on a partner. I do this because it is simply the right thing to do, not because I fear the afterlife I may earn from it. Also, people are joining this site JUST to tell you how closed-minded you are being. That should tell you something.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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In conclusion. An atheist chooses to live life in any way he pleases.

Well that's just the thing, Mr. Person. A person who does whatever he wants is a sociopath. That's a danger to society. For the sake of the women and children, we ought to know where you people live so we can avoid you for our own safety.

God Bless.

Mary

[Mr.Person]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

Well that's just the thing, Mr. Person. A person who does whatever he wants is a sociopath. That's a danger to society. For the sake of the women and children, we ought to know where you people live so we can avoid you for our own safety.

God Bless.

Mary

It is really lovely that you had to read through my entire argument to find the one scrap that you could try and twist. That is not what I said, and everyone here knows it. A person is free to do as they choose as long as it is not directly harming others. You are not the police force, and if you were, this would be called profiling. You assume that because one atheist has been bad, they all will be. You are really trying your best to keep the blinkers on, and I do commend you for you commitment, really. Please read the rest of my posts next time.

Also, I meant an agnostic in my first post, slight mix-up in definition, I'm only human

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

It is really lovely that you had to read through my entire argument to find the one scrap that you could try and twist. That is not what I said, and everyone here knows it. A person is free to do as they choose as long as it is not directly harming others. You are not the police force, and if you were, this would be called profiling. You assume that because one atheist has been bad, they all will be. You are really trying your best to keep the blinkers on, and I do commend you for you commitment, really. Please read the rest of my posts next time.

Also, I meant an agnostic in my first post, slight mix-up in definition, I'm only human

And you're right there to define what harms others?

Look, friend, this silly agnostic nonsense is the problem right now. You think you can have it all ways and make up all your own rules. So what if you say that personally you would only do that which doesn't harm others? Why should others respect that?

You can't even make your mind up if God is there judging your ridiculous shilly shallying and deciding to burn you in Hell or not. How can we trust you to judge what is right or wrong or what other people perceive causes them harm?

God is either there or He is not. There isn't some half-extant state where God is sort of there if you want Him to be. God is there and He demands your obedience or He will burn you forever.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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A person is free to do as they choose as long as it is not directly harming others.

Not true. Once one is identified as a danger to society they are locked away in prison for the safety of the rest of society. Robbing a bank doesn't get you locked up for the night. We don't wait until the bank robber robs another bank (or ten more) to put him in prison. We assume he cannot be trusted and is therefor separated from decent society. Atheists are known to have no morals and so cannot be trusted. The only reason we as a society have never had a law like this in the past was because people weren't so brazen to reject God and all His Goodness before.

[Mr.Person]

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And you're right there to define what harms others?

Look, friend, this silly agnostic nonsense is the problem right now. You think you can have it all ways and make up all your own rules. So what if you say that personally you would only do that which doesn't harm others? Why should others respect that?

You can't even make your mind up if God is there judging your ridiculous shilly shallying and deciding to burn you in Hell or not. How can we trust you to judge what is right or wrong or what other people perceive causes them harm?

God is either there or He is not. There isn't some half-extant state where God is sort of there if you want Him to be. God is there and He demands your obedience or He will burn you forever.

Again with people not reading. I was clarifying the definition, and I stated I am an atheist, completely. I KNOW your idea of god does not exist because if he did, he would likely back-hand you all for the way you're twisting his words. The reason I do a good thing? because I believe in a better world. The reason I feel safe that others will do the same? because the police will punish them otherwise. We do not need religion to keep ourselves safe, and threat of an imaginary force doing things to you after you're already dead is a poor deterrent to a rapist or a murderer, who may or may not be christian themselves. Please, keep the threats coming, it just proves my point further.

[Mr.Person]

Re: Atheists Should Be Registered Like Sex Offenders!

Not true. Once one is identified as a danger to society they are locked away in prison for the safety of the rest of society. Robbing a bank doesn't get you locked up for the night. We don't wait until the bank robber robs another bank (or ten more) to put him in prison. We assume he cannot be trusted and is therefor separated from decent society. Atheists are known to have no morals and so cannot be trusted. The only reason we as a society have never had a law like this in the past was because people weren't so brazen to reject God and all His Goodness before.

All of these things are done by the police, with no intervention of the church, nor any church. Please keep telling me how you're part of the deciding factor on who is guilty. maybe "directly" harming others was a bad choice of words, but I never said anything about bank robbery. This is why there are laws.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Again with people not reading. I was clarifying the definition, and I stated I am an atheist, completely. I KNOW your idea of god does not exist because if he did, he would likely back-hand you all for the way you're twisting his words. The reason I do a good thing? because I believe in a better world. The reason I feel safe that others will do the same? because the police will punish them otherwise. We do not need religion to keep ourselves safe, and threat of an imaginary force doing things to you after you're already dead is a poor deterrent to a rapist or a murderer, who may or may not be christian themselves. Please, keep the threats coming, it just proves my point further.

Threats?

How is warning you that God will burn you forever if you persist in your lies a threat? Is warning a child who is running onto a road in heavy traffic a threat?

You seem determined to be confrontational, friend.

Oh, and God says you are a liar.

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

[Mr.Person]

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Threats?

How is warning you that God will burn you forever if you persist in your lies a threat? Is warning a child who is running onto a road in heavy traffic a threat?

You seem determined to be confrontational, friend.

Oh, and God says you are a liar.

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

It is a threat when you're warning someone that they will get hurt by a supposedly intelligent being. You're threatening using god. Hardly scary.

I am being fair, it is not my fault that you see confrontation everywhere except in your own words, like calling someone a liar for example. If you havent even the conviction to use your own words to argue, please stop trying, it's like trying to argue with a book. Regardless of what I say, every word will be the same. Care to tell me which part YOU think I'm lying about?

[Redeemed Papist]

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It is a threat when you're warning someone that they will get hurt by a supposedly intelligent being. You're threatening using god. Hardly scary.

I am being fair, it is not my fault that you see confrontation everywhere except in your own words, like calling someone a liar for example. If you havent even the conviction to use your own words to argue, please stop trying, it's like trying to argue with a book. Regardless of what I say, every word will be the same. Care to tell me which part YOU think I'm lying about?

You're a liar because you deny Jesus. The Bible tells us so. Why take it personally?

Perhaps you aren't as sure as you think that Jesus is a lie. You seem a little desperate to convince us you are right.