[Jedediah]

Re: Ghost Hunters: Paranormal Investigators Promote Witchcraft

exactlywhat do you mean by being brought up in a nominal baptist household ?

I mean that you strike me as a CHINO (CHristian In Name Only) - a false Christian, as described in Matthew 7:21-23.

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I may not be able to quote the bible, I may not have the right scripture to reference from. but I can honestly say that God loves all his children, and nowhere in the bible does it say he has chosen who goes to hell, or who sits at his side.

If you are unable to back up your assertions with Scripture, then how are we to differentiate them from the vain opinions of a hellbound sinner convinced that his own opinions supercede the Word of God?

For example, your assertion that "nowhere in the [B]ible does it say that [H]e has chosen who goes to hell, or who sits at [H]is side." Quite the contrary, actually.

Romans 8:29-31
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

II Thessalonians 2:11-13
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ephesians 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Please explain why we should accept your opinion over the Word of God, as given in the King James Authorized Version (c) 1611. Also, please explain how you can be certain that your vain opinions are not something that has been whispered into your ear by demons set on dragging your soul down to hell.

He has given us the choice to either accept him, or not accept him.

I believe I have already provided you with Scripture that contradicts this notion. There is no such thing as "free will." We are exactly as God has made us. Either He has made us to join Him in Heaven for all eternity (Romans 9:11), or He has made us to endure unfathomable torments in the fiery pits of hell for all eternity (Jude 1:4).

If you are unable to back your assertions up with Scripture, I'm afraid I can simply not take anything you have to say seriously. It is quite evident that you do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you as It dwells within me, guiding my discernment.

I Corinthians 2:13-15
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

II Timothy 2:15-16
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness

I know where i will spend my eternity, at the right hand of our Lord God. I also know that I don't judge other , that I leave up to God and his infinite wisedom, which no man on earth will ever come close to having, or understand.

How do you know this? Do the voices inside your head tell you these things? Are these the same voices that tell you these other things that I have shown to directly contradict the Word of God?

It seems that the LORD has brought you here just in time. If you were to die right now, where does the Bible say you would go?

[paghosthunter]

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Basically every bible quote you have shown me tells me that He has not condemned anyone to hell. He has chosen our destiny to be by his side, and if we fall from grace, and choose a life that is not in his plan, we end up in hell. To take the Bible literally, is a bit rediculous. it has been interpeted over and over by different languages, and through how many centuries now ? Each person who reads it gets a different message from it, you say that we are to judge other, sorry, we are to judge sinners, but we are told to be forgiving and to pray for those that sin. The lords prayer is a good example, forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us. To me that means in laymens term, god, i'm gonna screw up, and people are going to do things to me that are going to be pretty bad, but please forgive me, and the person who causes me grief. Not "CHINO" just a plain speaking person, you have your opinion of what the bible "means" and I have mine. It's all in interpitation, simple as that. OH, no, there are no demons whispering in my ear. I have dealt with demonic hauntings, and have been blesses by the clergy right after that to make sure it didn't tag along.
As far as some of the things said about ghost hunters being in it for the money, I am sure there are groups like that, I do not dispust that one bit. I am in it for the understanding of what goes bump in the nite. 99%, it;s bad pipes, or the furnace, or a chipmunk in the walls and ceiling. 1%, I can't explain, it's not normal, so it is classified as paranormal. i have never practiced witchcraft, nor have i summoned anything by ritual, which from what I understand, you have to do the ritual thing to summon a demonic entity, not just walk around in the dark asking simple questions like" what's your name"," do you know what year it is" ? Pretty sure, and I may be wrong, but I doubt it, though you will jump on it like a cat on a mouse, that it takes a bit more to summon a demon.
So, that being said, i will wait for your reply, which I am sure will be insulting, and holier than thou,and I am sure you will say things to insult my intelligence once again. But I expect that from short sighted people, so it's no biggie.

[Jedediah]

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I have taken the liberty of breaking your response into segments, since the concept of the paragraph seems to elude you.

Basically every bible quote you have shown me tells me that He has not condemned anyone to hell. He has chosen our destiny to be by his side, and if we fall from grace, and choose a life that is not in his plan, we end up in hell.

Again, this goes to show that you do not have the Spirit of Discernment. You believe what you want to believe instead of what the Bible tells you to believe. Why do you even try to call yourself a Christian when you are simply following a fantastical narrative that exists only in your sorely deluded imagination?

You are following your own conscience, not the Word of God. You have been entirely unable to support anything you have said thus far with Holy Scripture. And for whatever reason, you like to pretend that the things that your conscience tell you are in some shape or form "Christian." It's people like you who make us Christians look like idiots.

How exactly do you get "He has not condemned anyone to hell" from these verses?

II Thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

You seriously need to reevaluate whether or not you are, in fact, even predisposed to Christianity. It seems to me as though the LORD has chosen to send you strong delusion. You sound more like some sort of hellbound "humanist" than anything else.

To take the Bible literally, is a bit rediculous [sic]. it has been interpeted over and over by different languages, and through how many centuries now ?

What do you propose? To simply disregard the teachings that serve as the foundation for the religion you profess belief in? I'm sorry, son, but the Word of God does not change. It is the same today as It has always been, as It always will be.

II Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 4:4
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

I Peter 1:23-25
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you

The fact that you think that iterative translation of God's Word amounts to some sort of game of "Chinese telephone" only goes to show the distance that you place between yourself and your Creator. If anything, God's Word was improved upon translation into the King James Authorized Version ©1611.

I encourage you to read and reflect upon that link. And also, the following verses of Scripture.

Psalm 12:6-7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Each person who reads it gets a different message from it, you say that we are to judge other, sorry, we are to judge sinners, but we are told to be forgiving and to pray for those that sin. The lords prayer is a good example, forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.

Please show an example of where we have judged anyone who is not a sinner. I'm not exactly sure where you are trying to go with that one. Are you trying to insinuate that we do not care about the lost? The fact that you fail to recognize our True Christian Love™ for what it is (again) only goes to show the distance you place between yourself and your Creator.

We are trying to snap sinners out of their delusion and exhort them to get right with Jesus! God has brought them (and you) here for a reason. For us to just ignore your desperate cries for help would be completely antithetical to the Christian Love that we all feel for all of you. Please try not to be so hostile. We are only trying to help you and the rest of the unsaved trash who come here spewing misguidedness and hatred. It's not too late for you or for them. We want you all to join us in Heaven. We want you all to accept Jesus' kind offer of Redemption and become True Christians™. It is precisely because of our Christian love that we scourge and chasten unsaved trash.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

To me that means in laymens term, god, i'm gonna screw up, and people are going to do things to me that are going to be pretty bad, but please forgive me, and the person who causes me grief.

The fact that you know that you are "gonna screw up" again goes to show that you have a ways to go before you can call yourself a Christian. We True Christians™ are perfect and no longer sin. In fact, we cannot sin! Glory!

I John 3:6-9
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

For True Christians™, sin is a thing of the past, for we are born anew of incorruptible seed. If you harbor any doubt, that is only a sign that you have a ways to go before you can count yourself among Jesus' elect.

I Peter 1:22-23
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Not "CHINO" just a plain speaking person, you have your opinion of what the bible "means" and I have mine. It's all in interpitation, simple as that.

There's no interpretation here, friend. We Bible Believers are actually quite simple people. God says it; we believe it. Besides, in your case, how can you interpret a book which you have apparently barely read?

You call yourself a Christian, yet you exhibit a complete dearth of knowledge and understanding when it comes to the Word of God. Can't you at least understand how someone like me who lives and breathes the Blood of Christ can hardly fathom how someone as ignorant of God's Word as you gets off calling yourself a "Christian"?

If nothing else, I encourage you to take the Holy Bible, which serves as the basis for all Christian belief, more seriously. I really mean that. It's not as if we're just making any of this up. This is True Christianity™, and it's a hard pill for many to swallow.

Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

When we tell people like you to "enjoy hell", we really mean it. As people who have read God's Word and follow It in Its entirety, we know that there will be a lot of you. We sincerely wish you the best as you endure unfathomable torments for all eternity. I wish there was something we could do for you, but I'm afraid it's out of our hands. It's in God's Hands. If you don't like it, don't blame us. Take it up with Him.

OH, no, there are no demons whispering in my ear. I have dealt with [delusions omitted]
So, that being said, i will wait for your reply, which I am sure will be insulting, and holier than thou,and I am sure you will say things to insult my intelligence once again. But I expect that from short sighted people, so it's no biggie.

It is quite apparent that you have itching ears (II Timothy 4:3). Faint not if you are rebuked by me or any other True Christian™. We are simply doing God's Work.

II Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Basically every bible quote you have shown me tells me that He has not condemned anyone to hell.

I will keep it simple since you clearly lack a brain.

FACT #1: A lot of people are not Christians.
FACT #2: They will all burn in Hell.
Case closed.


Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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"He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:4

Please see THIS sermon and then apologize to Jesus for telling everyone that He's a limp-wristed pansy.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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I have to agree with the Christian ghost hunter, and I will probably get all kinds of advise and prayers offered up, honestly, keep them. Being the son of a preacher, and a paranormal investigator ( fancy name for ghost hunter), I can honestly say you are way out in left feild on this one. Ya must've ran out of other things to complain about, so you are digging deep to keep your name in the spot light. I have participated in MANY "ghost hunts" and can honestly say I have not found one thing that was demonic, and no, I don't think that the spirits we have communicated are demons,

It's pretty clear you have never bothered to read the Bible. If you had, you would know that type of behavior will land you straight in hell. According to the Bible, you should be stoned to death for doing it!!

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Talk about completely ignoring a major point of Christianity.

[calypso]

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My question is this how can you condemn people, is it not stated in the bible that it is not for you to judge but god himself ? You are teaching hate and from what I have read you yourself was caught embezzling money does that not say something about you, so let thee without sin cast the first stone, not one person in this forum can honestly say they have never sinned including yourself, doesn't the bible also talk about the fight between good and evil as well ? Priest fight demons as does others who believe strongly in god, It is not for you to judge any one person based on what they do or say that is for god to do at the time of their judgement, I would suggest you look deeply at your intentions, your words can cause harm to people who you do not know, people that you deem as witches. Its fanatics such as you that causes more fear in people than good.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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My question is this how can you condemn people, is it not stated in the bible that it is not for you to judge but god himself ? You are teaching hate and from what I have read you yourself was caught embezzling money does that not say something about you, so let thee without sin cast the first stone, not one person in this forum can honestly say they have never sinned including yourself, doesn't the bible also talk about the fight between good and evil as well ? Priest fight demons as does others who believe strongly in god, It is not for you to judge any one person based on what they do or say that is for god to do at the time of their judgement, I would suggest you look deeply at your intentions, your words can cause harm to people who you do not know, people that you deem as witches. Its fanatics such as you that causes more fear in people than good.

The Bible does not tell us never to judge; it tells us how we should judge. You probably have in mind:

Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

When you take the verse in context you see that it is forbidding hypocritical judgment, not telling us to refrain from exercising judgment of any kind. That would be silly, to never pass judgment of any kind.

Elsewhere God tells us that we should pass righteous judgment.

John 7:24

King James Version (KJV)


24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

This is only an example. There are plenty of other places in the Bible where God tells us how we ought to exercise our faculty of judgment. You should read the whole book, from cover to cover. That will give you a much better idea of what it says.

[calypso]

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And the bible also says this

Ephesians 4:29

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

[calypso]

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I do believe this fits what needs to be said about judging others


James 4:12

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I do believe this fits what needs to be said about judging others


James 4:12

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Are you insinuating that the Bible is internally contradictory? You can receive an infraction for that, you know.

If I espouse a view and back it up with scripture, you cannot espouse the opposite view and back it up with scripture. That is like calling God a trickster, or touched in the head.

[Jedediah]

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But who are you to judge your neighbor?

And who does the Bible say is our neighbor?

We are blood-bought True Christians™ whose sins have been washed away and who sin no more, as Jesus commanded. I believe you will find Rev. Osborne's sermon on what the Bible actually says about judgment when you don't merely cherry-pick a few select verses and twist them out of context to be edifying:
The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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I do believe this fits what needs to be said about judging others


James 4:12

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

How dare you make the Bible seem contradictory! Paul tells us to judge those within the church!!

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

[calypso]

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Apparently you do not read your bible if so you would have found the scripture I posted is a true and written word of god, you accuse me of twisting scripture well I find that you are the ones twisting scripture to make it as you feel it needs to be for your own vicious intents. None of what I posted was twisted. God condemns those who condemn others as you have and are doing, I am not here to judge any of you but know that when it is your time you will be judged to your own accord, our god is a good, kind and loving god, a god who wants people to turn to him regardless of who they are or what their beliefs were. you are to welcome people into your mist to bring them to god, not talk about people being witches or gays, I am not gay nor am I a witch, I believe in god but I do not believe in what you teach, your teachings are of hate and conviction, think what you will of me I do not care but know this I will not by no means stand by and allow this type of treatment to myself or anyone I know. I suggest you start looking at your own souls and saving them because at this rate your only digging yourself deeper into the hatred you feel about others, god does not teach hate.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Are we completely ignoring Luke 6:27-38?

How is warning people like you who come here to persecute us that they will go to Hell for not following God's laws not loving our enemies. You'd rather let your friends go to Hell so long as they think your words are warm and fluffy. Despicable!