[handmaiden]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

That would be nice if the Bible opposed pedophilia, wouldn't it? I hope you will find Dr. White's response enlightening.

And I'm guessing you aren't capable of understanding the irony of this statement.

Thanks for fielding that grounder, Sister Basilissa! Your first point, that the Bible doesn't specifically shake its finger at pedophilia is born out by the number of young (YOUNG) women taken as wives by men of God throughout the Bible.

And of course this silly person is playing fast and loose with different translations. Even so, there are more than a dozen versions of the Bible (that LBC does NOT endorse) that make it clear in pretty plain language that a male having sexual relations with a male (age is not mentioned) is a sin in God's eyes.

In addition to Leviticus, we have verses in Romans and Timothy (so much for that "but that's the Old Testament" argument) that simply and unequivocally state that Homosexuality. Is. Wrong.


But hey, that's just what the actual Deity referenced in the entire Bible says. If someone doesn't want to buy into that message, that's their business. But I am really getting sick of these comic book Bible readers insisting that it is possible to be a believing Christian and gay. It is not and I am not spouting my own opinion here.


Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 6:9 1 Timothy 1:10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Timothy 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


And that's just a start. But Mr. Thrrowaway did opine that I would know stuff "if I read the Bible." So, I guess that I need to discipline myself and start learning some Bible verses.

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

hi all

first i must say thank you all for this board so i can keep my son away from nasty stuff the devil puts on this earth

as grateful as i am i am here to tell you all to ban team fortress 2 (abbreviated as TF2) for the following reasons

i discovered about it this weekend when my 15 year old son charlie brought home his friend and they were playing on his friend's laptop a game where it's nothing but killing, bad words, god bashing, anti-american propaganda, and worst of all HOMOSEXUALITY

first off this is their artwork they use to advertise to the MASSES



as you can see, they all are posed to look threatening (i guess that's what boys like these days)

there is also blantent homosexuality (when the doctor heals his patients they all say things like "i love this doctor" or "get behind me doctor!")

they made a character that looks like a soldier and he talks about god's world being his ("this is my world, you are not welcome in my world!") when i heard this i was MORBIDLY SHOCKED and appalled and ashamed of my son and he knew it

i was wondering why my son was getting into fights and after i saw this i banned him from ever seeing his friends

if you see your child playing this, tell them to uninstall it and watch him do it!!!

hope this helps parents out so your child doesn't stray far from god!

-baseballmom67

Tf2 isnt as horrible as you say.
They are supposed to look menacing. Thats their job. To fight.


There is no homosexuality in the game. All are white males (excluding demo) and are all straight.


The soldier is a mentally ill lunatic because of lead poisoning. He is gonna say some bad stuff.


All of the characters are meant to be crazy for the sake of comedy.


This is not a child friendly game. People explode into chunks of meat and die. People get shot. People get killed. Its not meant for kids. Its meant for a mature audience.

[Basilissa]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

This is not a child friendly game. People explode into chunks of meat and die. People get shot. People get killed. Its not meant for kids. Its meant for a mature audience.

Well that's a contradiction right there, because GAMES by definition are for CHILDREN. Adults should put away games and at least try to act like productive members of the society.

1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

Well that's a contradiction right there, because GAMES by definition are for CHILDREN. Adults should put away games and at least try to act like productive members of the society.

1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

It has a mature rating. Its for an audience of the age of 17 and above.

[Basilissa]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

It has a mature rating. Its for an audience of the age of 17 and above.

It's still a game, and therefore a childish thing that adults should not waste their time on. Games are for children, no matter what "rating" some random group of people decided upon.

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

It's still a game, and therefore a childish thing that adults should not waste their time on. Games are for children, no matter what "rating" some random group of people decided upon.

Cause GTA 5, a game about murder, corruption, and theft is meant to be for children. Its not some random rating, you cant buy it if you arent old enough. You need consent from a parent or guardian to own it if you do not meet the criteria. The steam page says "This content may not be suitable for younger audiences, Do you wish to proceed?" It even says, its not suitable for young children. Its not a kids game, and by that logic, h games are for kids, which they arent.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

Cause GTA 5, a game about murder, corruption, and theft is meant to be for children. Its not some random rating, you cant buy it if you arent old enough. You need consent from a parent or guardian to own it if you do not meet the criteria. The steam page says "This content may not be suitable for younger audiences, Do you wish to proceed?" It even says, its not suitable for young children. Its not a kids game, and by that logic, h games are for kids, which they arent.

Dear Sinner,

Our point is that obviously these silly games are not suitable for younger games - it will turn them gay - but nor are they suitable for anyone as it will enforce their homosexuality that God abhors. This is clearly exhibited by the carnal relationships that the secular doctor in this game has with a soldier who is not a soldier for Christ. Q.E.D. Now, it is time you answered some questions and assessed a few issues:

• Why should we trust your judgment? You've only given us opinions so far, not any actual evidence.
• If your arguments are atheist/secular, please give us at least some peer-reviewed papers on the topic of "Team fortress AND homosexuality". You can use, for instance, PubMed or in extreme need Google Scholar.
• We have given you lots of evidence besides opinions. The Bible is our evidence. If you don't accept it as proof, please explain why you find it unreliable.
• Who are you?

Please, you need to understand at this stage that simply claiming that someone has said something does not count as evidence, nor do the categorizations of commercial companies, in whose interest it is to seduce as many young people as possible to buy their silly games.

Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

Dear Sinner,

Our point is that obviously these silly games are not suitable for younger games - it will turn them gay - but nor are they suitable for anyone as it will enforce their homosexuality that God abhors. This is clearly exhibited by the carnal relationships that the secular doctor in this game has with a soldier who is not a soldier for Christ. Q.E.D. Now, it is time you answered some questions and assessed a few issues:

• Why should we trust your judgment? You've only given us opinions so far, not any actual evidence.
• If your arguments are atheist/secular, please give us at least some peer-reviewed papers on the topic of "Team fortress AND homosexuality". You can use, for instance, PubMed or in extreme need Google Scholar.
• We have given you lots of evidence besides opinions. The Bible is our evidence. If you don't accept it as proof, please explain why you find it unreliable.
• Who are you?

Please, you need to understand at this stage that simply claiming that someone has said something does not count as evidence, nor do the categorizations of commercial companies, in whose interest it is to seduce as many young people as possible to buy their silly games.

Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I gave you several facts in my last post, actually.
1. The legality of owning a game above your age range without consent of a parent or guardian
2. The steam page.
3. These are things that i personally know.
4. Simply saying that a book says something does not count as evidence.
5. Literally look on steam and legal documents. Its all there.
6. There isnt stuff in the video game coding that turns the kids gay, thats their own choice if they are attracted to their own gender.


[Things about game, and comic book lore]
7. The Soldier is not a real soldier. I explained this. Due to lead poisoning his IQ has dropped significantly. But i guess the official creators of the game saying that is just some random guy.
8. Literally everyone is straight in the game. The Medic was even in a straight relation ship. Heavy has a family. Scout is dating Ms. Pauling. Soldier is refered to as Mr. Jane Doe, Which most likely means he is a married man. Spy is scouts FATHER.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

I gave you several facts in my last post, actually.
1. The legality of owning a game above your age range without consent of a parent or guardian

This does not assess the detrimental nature of these silly games to young adults over 18. In addition, the legal status of these silly games is unimportant regarding the issue at hand.

2. The steam page.

Clearly a biased source.

3. These are things that i personally know.

Personal anecdotes are not robust evidence. Is there anything that one could not justify by personal preference? The Catholics justify kiddie molesting based on that.

4. Simply saying that a book says something does not count as evidence.

Simply stating that you personally know something does not count as evidence. This whole forum is dedicated to presenting evidence for the superiority of the Bible as the Truth™

5. Literally look on steam and legal documents. Its all there.

We are not interested in whether this game is legal. We know it is. Our concern is that it harms the soul of the gamer and prohibits his entry into Heaven.

6. There isnt stuff in the video game coding that turns the kids gay, thats their own choice if they are attracted to their own gender.

At least you admit that being a sodomite is a choice and not something innate (albeit it is heraditary in the manner of Exodus 20:5). However, I did ask for actual peer-reviewed literature and not just your claims.

[Things about game, and comic book lore]
7. The Soldier is not a real soldier. I explained this. Due to lead poisoning his IQ has dropped significantly. But i guess the official creators of the game saying that is just some random guy.

You never answered why we should take your word for it instead of the word of a good Christian woman.

8. Literally everyone is straight in the game. The Medic was even in a straight relation ship. Heavy has a family. Scout is dating Ms. Pauling. Soldier is refered to as Mr. Jane Doe, Which most likely means he is a married man. Spy is scouts FATHER.

You never answered why we should take your word for it instead of the word of a good Christian woman.

Ergo: You gave us more opinions and plain claims without any Biblical of even secular science to back it up. The legal status of this game is not relevant to Jesus. What matters is the spiritual harm. Furthermore, your personal experiences with this game can be biased as far as we know, as there is no way to tell based on your posts if you're rational enough to assess this thing objectively. That is why your narrative anecdotes are not robust evidence. You need to do much better to convince us that your claims are better substantiated than those of our Brethren or even those of True Christian™ women of lesser intellect.

Romans 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

This does not assess the detrimental nature of these silly games to young adults over 18. In addition, the legal status of these silly games is unimportant regarding the issue at hand.
Clearly a biased source.Personal anecdotes are not robust evidence. Is there anything that one could not justify by personal preference? The Catholics justify kiddie molesting based on that.Simply stating that you personally know something does not count as evidence. This whole forum is dedicated to presenting evidence for the superiority of the Bible as the Truth™We are not interested in whether this game is legal. We know it is. Our concern is that it harms the soul of the gamer and prohibits his entry into Heaven.At least you admit that being a sodomite is a choice and not something innate (albeit it is heraditary in the manner of Exodus 20:5). However, I did ask for actual peer-reviewed literature and not just your claims. You never answered why we should take your word for it instead of the word of a good Christian woman.You never answered why we should take your word for it instead of the word of a good Christian woman.

Ergo: You gave us more opinions and plain claims without any Biblical of even secular science to back it up. The legal status of this game is not relevant to Jesus. What matters is the spiritual harm. Furthermore, your personal experiences with this game can be biased as far as we know, as there is no way to tell based on your posts if you're rational enough to assess this thing objectively. That is why your narrative anecdotes are not robust evidence. You need to do much better to convince us that your claims are better substantiated than those of our Brethren or even those of True Christian™ women of lesser intellect.

Romans 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I gave you evidence on why soldier isnt a real soldier. Ill even give you the link to the comic saying that he is a lead poinsoned idiot, and that he isnt a real soldier. Here is a dub of the full comic:
Go to 15:52 in the video for evidence saying he is lead poisoned

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XLIv_R07OGU

He isnt a real soldier: (11:12)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ClHraX4uW7E

These are official comics, however, these are not the actual voice actors. Its like an audio book, if you will


The steam page says its not meant for kids. Steam is made by Valve. Valve made TF2. Not biased.


You should take my word for it because its official. You shouldnt have to look for a peer reviewed source when its confirmed by Valve, the creators.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

I gave you evidence on why soldier isnt a real soldier. Ill even give you the link to the comic saying that he is a lead poinsoned idiot, and that he isnt a real soldier. Here is a dub of the full comic:
Go to 15:52 in the video for evidence saying he is lead poisoned

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XLIv_R07OGU

He isnt a real soldier: (11:12)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ClHraX4uW7E

These are official comics, however, these are not the actual voice actors. Its like an audio book, if you will

Are you actually claiming that youtube videos are some kind of evidence. We know that literacy is waning in this generation, but this is really over-the-top. You do not really seem to realize that the "canon" of a TV show or a silly game is of absolutely no interest for us. The general issue of the harmful (spiritually devastating) nature of these games as determined by the scientific community or the Christian community is what interests us.

The steam page says its not meant for kids. Steam is made by Valve. Valve made TF2. Not biased.

This is flabbergasting! Valve made the steam page and the same bunch of people made the silly game called TF2. Basically, the're assessing their own product. How on God's Earth is that not biased?! And don't try us on the criterion of embarrassment - the exegetics tried that and failed.

You should take my word for it because its official. You shouldnt have to look for a peer reviewed source when its confirmed by Valve, the creators.

You are a person with personal interest invested in this game. Your agreeing with the makers of this product may make it official within the "canon" of the game but once again, it remains anecdotal and now even more heavily biased. We do know that you've been seduced by these silly games and you lack any education on epistemology. Hitherto, that's been understandable but it won't be it any longer now that you've sneaked your way here. This is your chance to get an education. How do you test the Truth™ value of a proposition?


Next: Let us list the fallacies you make (we can continue this in the future).

• Appeal to authority: both yours and of the unknown persons who made the game. An authority can be wrong. Their word does not count. Only actual peer-reviewed evidence does, and in this case peers do not mean others who play this silly game.
• Cherry picking: using only sources that agree with you, for instance these videos that I would find both tedious and uninformative.
• Confirmation bias: accepting only information that supports your preconceptions and ignoring all the thousands of posts in this thread.

It is most interesting that you find the makers of this game the most reliable source that outweighs actual research. Do you utilize this strategy in each and every case when you for instance buy stuff? "We made this car and say it's safe so let's not look at any statistics, This cream will make your face look young, because those who are getting all the money from it say so." A good epistemological toolbox is something that can be employed everywhere. People who simple accept things that they feel comfortable with are those who are little better than slaves of the advertising systems. Those are the people who can easily be manipulated.

I'll try to make it visual for easy understanding:

• Videos as evidence
• Those with emotional or financial interest (this "steam")as reliable authorities
• Internal consistency within a "canon" ("official") as evidence
• Personal anecdotes as evidence
• Law (we follow it but do not necessarily think that it is good in all cases) as evidence for spiritual issues

James 4:16
But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

I gave you evidence on why soldier isnt a real soldier. Ill even give you the link to the comic saying that he is a lead poinsoned idiot, and that he isnt a real soldier. Here is a dub of the full comic:
Go to 15:52 in the video for evidence saying he is lead poisoned

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XLIv_R07OGU

He isnt a real soldier: (11:12)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ClHraX4uW7E

These are official comics, however, these are not the actual voice actors. Its like an audio book, if you will


The steam page says its not meant for kids. Steam is made by Valve. Valve made TF2. Not biased.


You should take my word for it because its official. You shouldnt have to look for a peer reviewed source when its confirmed by Valve, the creators.

Also watch Expiration Date. Proof that scout is dating Ms. Pauling. Medic and Heavy are just friends. Heavy has 300 HP, medic has 125. Heavy can take much more damage. And with medic behind him, he can get constant healing from medic, making him semi invincible. Spy is Scouts father according to the Comic "The Naked and the Dead" Spy disguises as Tom Jones, so he can hold his son one last time before Scout dies, without revealing who he really is. Spy tells Scout how proud of him he is as a father. But Scout is revived by God (and i mean this when i say it, this is Canon) Because he is gods gift to humanity. He is literally the second coming. This is true by the way.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

• Videos as evidence
• Those with emotional or financial interest (this "steam")as reliable authorities
• Internal consistency within a "canon" ("official") as evidence
• Personal anecdotes as evidence
• Law (we follow it but do not necessarily think that it is good in all cases) as evidence for spiritual issues

Also watch Expiration Date. Proof that scout is dating Ms. Pauling. Medic and Heavy are just friends. Heavy has 300 HP, medic has 125. Heavy can take much more damage. And with medic behind him, he can get constant healing from medic, making him semi invincible. Spy is Scouts father according to the Comic "The Naked and the Dead" Spy disguises as Tom Jones, so he can hold his son one last time before Scout dies, without revealing who he really is. Spy tells Scout how proud of him he is as a father. But Scout is revived by God (and i mean this when i say it, this is Canon) Because he is gods gift to humanity. He is literally the second coming. This is true by the way.

Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

Are you actually claiming that youtube videos are some kind of evidence. We know that literacy is waning in this generation, but this is really over-the-top. You do not really seem to realize that the "canon" of a TV show or a silly game is of absolutely no interest for us. The general issue of the harmful (spiritually devastating) nature of these games as determined by the scientific community or the Christian community is what interests us.
This is flabbergasting! Valve made the steam page and the same buch of people made the silly game called TF2. Basically, the're assessing their own product. How on God's Earth is that not biased?! And don't try us on the criterion of embarrassment - the exegetics tried that and failed.

You are a person with personal interest invested in this game. Your agreeing with the makers of this product may make it official within the "canon" of the game but once again, it remains anecdotal and now even more heavily biased. We do know that you've been seduced by these silly games and you lack any education on epistemology. Hitherto, that's been understandable but it won't be it any longer now that you've sneaked your way here. This is your chance to get an education. How do you test the Truth™ value of a proposition?


Next: Let us list the fallacies you make (we can continue this in the future).

• Appeal to authority: both yours and of the unknown persons who made the game. An authority can be wrong. Their word does not count. Only actual peer-reviewed evidence does, and in this case peers do not mean others who play this silly game.
• Cherry picking: using only sources that agree with you, for instance these videos that I would find both tedious and uninformative.
• Confirmation bias: accepting only information that supports your preconceptions and ignoring all the thousands of posts in this thread.

It is most interesting that you find the makers of this game the most reliable source that outweighs actual research. Do you utilize this strategy in each and every case when you for instance buy stuff? "We made this car and say it's safe so let's not look at any statistics, This cream will make your face look young, because those who are getting all the money from it say so." A good epistemological toolbox is something that can be employed everywhere. People who simple accept things that they feel comfortable with are those who are little better than slaves of the advertising systems. Those are the people who can easily be manipulated.

I'll try to make it visual for easy understanding:

• Videos as evidence
• Those with emotional or financial interest (this "steam")as reliable authorities
• Internal consistency within a "canon" ("official") as evidence
• Personal anecdotes as evidence
• Law (we follow it but do not necessarily think that it is good in all cases) as evidence for spiritual issues

James 4:16
But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

The youtube videos are people reading OFFICIAL COMICS. If you could understand that you are wrong for once in your life then you would figure this out.


They arent promoting their own content. They are saying that its not suitable for children. Its also not biased because its a legal requirement. It has a Mature rating. I told you this, but you said its not relevant.


Yes, it does count actually. And you say peer reviewed. That means the people that play this game. You are not my peers. You are crazy people.


The videos are not tedious or uninformative. They explain a story to a game with a vast amount of lore. But you refuse to use it since its youtube. So i dunno about that. And of course i use things that support my side. Im not gonna use your god awful stand point.


And im not gonna look at posts of genuine psychopaths that look too deep into angry birds for gods sake.


You do realize... We are talking about a video game... This is actual research in this scenario. Canon and game play applies here. We arent talking about cars or cream. Its a free game that actively says kids shouldn't play it


The law applies. You cant play it if its not in your age range. Her kid wasnt allowed to play the game. He did not ask for consent if he could play, but this mom blew it way out of proportion. He was having fun and suddenly she turns it into "Heavy and Medic are banging in the back room" You see what im saying?

[thrrowaway]

Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!

Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I can get that second coming part, but you yawn at a man mourning his dead son? These people are crazy...