[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Dear person posting;


Much of your post is painful for me to read for reasons that I will refrain from elaborating upon. If by some chance you are amongst the Truly Saved, then I would not like to offend Jesus by instructing you, so I will limit myself to a few observations.


I am Italian, (I have the mustache and hairy arms to prove it) and I accepted the Lord Jesus as My Personal Savior and was covered with His Perfect Blood Sacrifice when I was 16. Are you saying that I am not Saved? The Bible would seem to suggest otherwise.


Believing in God doesn't prevent a person from going to hell. Nobody was more certain of God's existence than Satan and God sent him to hell right after setting it up. Obeying God is the point. Plenty of people go on and on about how they believe in God, but they don't put in the same level of energy in obeying Him. Do you obey the Lord in all things?


Inquiringly Yours,


Handmaiden

I made one mistake on the commandment if you do not obey the commands of Jesus then you will go to hell because it is faith plus works because faith is dead faith.


14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James 2:14-26


King James Version (KJV)

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Where does that say in the Holy Bible, dear? Because most of the verses that you quote show that people in the Bible times were getting drunk, by drinking "that" wine in excess.

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Dear, speaking from my personal experience, I can have a glass of Moscato and still be sober(ish).

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

I only get a little bit merry with wine, not drunk:

Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all [things].

I hope that was helpful, dear.

Its really simple my father told me as a wee little lad that is how they did it therefore i believe him.



And as for getting drunk God hates the drunkards so it is best to ban wine and just leave it as a reminder of our sinful past because we humans without God have no self control and God commands us to remain sober for him.

[handmaiden]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I made one mistake on the commandment if you do not obey the commands of Jesus then you will go to hell because it is faith plus works because faith is dead faith.


14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James 2:14-26


King James Version (KJV)

Yeah, you made a lot of mistakes in that post, blueboy. But I'm glad you picked up on my point by including number 19 on your list there. Overlooking that key point seems like a major oversight for someone so very dedicated to spreading the Word.


Supercilliously Yours,


Handmaiden

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Its really simple my father told me as a wee little lad that is how they did it therefore i believe him.

...And apparently you didn't listen to him when he told you to study it for a whole summer. Otherwise you'd know that a little wine is good in the eyes of God.

And as for getting drunk God hates the drunkards so it is best to ban wine

And how would you support such an outlandish statement with the Holy Scripture? (Given all of the Scripture that was cited to you that clearly contradict your proposal).

and just leave it as a reminder of our sinful past because we humans without God have no self control and God commands us to remain sober for him.

Yeah, but He still commands us to drink wine instead of water:

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

I hope that was helpful. Now I'm gonna get me a glass of Michigan ice wine.

I want to be merry like God commands me to:

Ecclesiastes 8:Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.

[handmaiden]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

...you'd know that a little wine is good in the eyes of God.

Yeah, but He still commands us to drink wine instead of water:

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

I hope that was helpful. Now I'm gonna get me a glass of Michigan ice wine.

I want to be merry like God commands me to:

Ecclesiastes 8:Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.

Such wise insights, Sister. But the most convincing Biblical reference of all is this:


John 2:1-11

And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.




So, really, exactly why would Jesus turn water into a foul substance? I mean, He could if He wanted to, of course! But He didn't. Anyway, maybe when we get to Heaven we can all drink some Jesus-squeezed wine. Wouldn't that be great?


Grapefully Yours,


Handmaiden


P.S. I've decided that I like the word "firkin".

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Where does that say in the Holy Bible, dear? Because most of the verses that you quote show that people in the Bible times were getting drunk, by drinking "that" wine in excess.

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Dear, speaking from my personal experience, I can have a glass of Moscato and still be sober(ish).

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

I only get a little bit merry with wine, not drunk:

Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all [things].

I hope that was helpful, dear.

Your source, dear?

Such wise insights, Sister. But the most convincing Biblical reference of all is this:


John 2:1-11

And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.




So, really, exactly why would Jesus turn water into a foul substance? I mean, He could if He wanted to, of course! But He didn't. Anyway, maybe when we get to Heaven we can all drink some Jesus-squeezed wine. Wouldn't that be great?


Grapefully Yours,


Handmaiden


P.S. I've decided that I like the word "firkin".

Humans are evil as said in the bible


Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:



Genesis 6:5 - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.



John 8:44 - Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.





Wine is something that God did create however our evil human nature must limit how much wine we consume to not become drunkards.


Leviticus 10:9 - Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations:



Isaiah 5:11- Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them!


Hosea 4:11 - Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.



Romans 13:13 - Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.





Therefore you Christians need to watch yourself if you are drinking wine simply for the lord (Whether therefore ye eat, or drink or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God 1 Corinthians 10:31 KJV). Or are you just drinking wine to get drunk? because if you are then you are not a true Christian and you are on the path to hell my friend so which one is it?




If it is the second one then go and repent and obey the word of God to avoid hellfire because drunks do not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:10 - Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

"you Christians?"



Which one of us are you accusing of being drunkards, exactly?


Please be specific.

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

"you Christians?"



Which one of us are you accusing of being drunkards, exactly?


Please be specific.

I am accusing mostly Leroy here on one other person (not you) of being a drunkard. As for you Christans? i am mostly referring to false Christians there as true Christians get the label of true Christians plus Disciples of Christ and wannabes just get called Christian or supposedly Christian and a heretic Christian.




I should have put heretic Christian there.

[Leroy Llewelyn]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I am accusing mostly Leroy here on one other person (not you) of being a drunkard. As for you Christans? i am mostly referring to false Christians there as true Christians get the label of true Christians plus Disciples of Christ and wannabes just get called Christian or supposedly Christian and a heretic Christian.




I should have put heretic Christian there.

I am of good conscience, evildoer. Art thou?

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1 Peter 3:16

Yours in Christ,
Leroy Llewellyn

[Leroy Llewelyn]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
Colossians 2:16

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Humans are evil as said in the bible

Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Genesis 6:5 - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

John 8:44 - Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Hint: when you're trying to find Scripture to support your views, it is helpful to use Scripture that is actually relevant to what you're arguing for.

Wine is something that God did create however our evil human nature must limit how much wine we consume to not become drunkards.

Obviously. However, "limit" does not mean "eliminate." Remember that verse about temperance I've mentioned a few posts ago?

Leviticus 10:9 - Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation,lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Are you accusing any True Christian™ of going into the tabernacle of the congregation while intoxicated?

Isaiah 5:11- Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them!

Are you accusing any True Christian™ of drinking in the morning?

Hosea 4:11 - Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.

Are you accusing any True Christian™ of drinking wine (including wine that has not been properly aged) while committing whoredom?

Proverbs 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.

Romans 13:13 - Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Are you accusing any True Christian™ of being a rioting drunkard?
(When composing you reply please remember that according to the Holy Bible, being merry after a few is not the same as being drunk).
(Also please note that the same verse asks you to walk honestly, that includes not bearing a false witness against another person).

Therefore you Christians need to watch yourself if you are drinking wine simply for the lord (Whether therefore ye eat, or drink or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God 1 Corinthians 10:31 KJV). Or are you just drinking wine to get drunk?

As I stated before, we drink wine because Jesus wants us to drink wine rather than water (1 Timothy 5:23). Do you really want us to become dehydrated?!

If it is the second one then go and repent and obey the word of God to avoid hellfire because drunks do not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:10 - Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Again, the answer is temperance, dear (1 Corinthians 9:25).

I am accusing mostly Leroy here on one other person (not you) of being a drunkard.

While you seem to be fearful (Revelation 21:8) to mention the "one other person" by name, I presume you are referring to me.

Thank you for your cruel and unjust persecution. It reassures me that I'm right and you're wrong.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

I am of good conscience, evildoer. Art thou?

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1 Peter 3:16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
Colossians 2:16

Yours in Christ,
Leroy Llewellyn

Amen, Brother Leroy!

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

As many false Christians do, you are falling into the Sin of twisting Holy Scripture to suit your immoral agenda. Ye, friend, I had suspicions about from your first posting, and ye are doing nothing to assuage those doubts:

A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

Proverbs 19:5

Of course the Lord wants us to never suffer the inequity of drunkenness, but it's plainly obvious He wants us to Rejoice, and Revel in His Good Name:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
1 Corinthians 10:23-24

I fear you to be one of those revival-tent "pastors", looking to shuck-and-jive your way into good Christians' hearts to drain their wallets, and raise the skirts of the curious womenfolk behind your circus midway.

Raising the skirts of the curious womenfolk? what a bold accusation to make there ill have you know that i have one wife and i have never even looked porn or even lusted after another woman then her since the year of 1978 when i got married.


I do not twist the holy bible the one infalible work of God but rather you try to justify your sins because some verses state permit drinking and other verses do not permit drinking however there is no contradiction whatsoever in that.


And how is banning alcohol my agenda only? its clear that in the past that wine was needed due to the water quality of the savages in the region however today it is not needed and when God told you to drink he meant for you to limit it only on what you need to survive and not what you wanted to drink just to be merry and sinful.


As for being a tent preacher i have never once been under a tent. I have preached in the streets of california in the early 70's at warehouses, the bart train station, on the public sidewalk and in front of schools however not once have i ever used a tent. And yet i gave up that life because the lord called me back him to whitesville georgia to continue my dying fathers church and save the lost.




So before you make false accusations i have to tell you that i have been saving souls for 58 years now since i was a little boy in a pre k and you hate me for telling sinners who deserve to be thrown in hell about Jesus? really? i did not work this long to get this nice of treatment and you only prove that i am the right one by showing me so kinds of hatred against me.

[Leroy Llewelyn]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

The difference between that wine and this wine is that wine was like grapejuice and did not get people drunk...

I'll be the third person to ask you to justify this bold statement with scripture, friend.

I do not twist the holy bible the one infalible work of God but rather you try to justify your sins because some verses state permit drinking and other verses do not permit drinking however there is no contradiction whatsoever in that.

Ah, but you do, as your conversation in this selfsame thread has been one big, salty Scripture-pretzel.

Several other members, as well as myself, have provided you with very clear Scriptural references exhorting one of The Lords Gifts to us here on Earth: wine, the gift of the grape.

To wit:

John 2:7-11King James Version (KJV)

7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.

9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew; ) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

1 Timothy 5:23King James Version (KJV)

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Ecclesiastes 9:7King James Version (KJV)

7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

Psalm 104:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

Isaiah 62:8-9King James Version (KJV)

8 The Lord hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the Lord; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

And:

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all [things].

I hope that was helpful, dear.

And:

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard
Gen 9:20

There is no contradiction, friend, there is all this Scripture encouraging us to enjoy the fruits of the vine in moderation, and there are those that prohibit overindulgence. It's baffling how you seem to want to purposely confuse the two. You are bringing upon yourself swift destruction, friend:

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1

Raising the skirts of the curious womenfolk? what a bold accusation to make...

What am I to think, friend, when you come here twisting Holy Scripture and casting about slanderous aspersions? Such as the following:

I suggest you repent for your drunkenness sir...

Of course your slanderous, baseless, unfounded accusation will make me suspicious of just what other sinning you're up to. The words of Matthew appear twice relevant:

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies
Matthew 15:19

And

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:15

And how is banning alcohol my agenda only?

More false witness, friend, or in the parlance of our times, a "straw-man argument". Please show me where I said this was your only agenda.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

its clear that in the past that wine was needed due to the water quality of the savages in the region however today it is not needed and when God told you to drink he meant for you to limit it only on what you need to survive and not what you wanted to drink just to be merry and sinful.

Really, friend? Really? And you claim innocence of twisting Scripture?

Ignore the Laws of the Bible at your own peril. Take it away, John:

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:35

For the law was given by Moses,
John 1:17


Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?
John 7:19

So before you make false accusations i have to tell you that i have been saving souls for 58 years now since i was a little boy in a pre k

Georgia had pre-kindergarten in 1958? I never realized their education system was so progressive back then.

and you hate me for telling sinners who deserve to be thrown in hell about Jesus? really? i did not work this long to get this nice of treatment and you only prove that i am the right one by showing me so kinds of hatred against me.

Where's the hate, friend? I'm simply trying to steer you onto the path of Salvation, as it's very clear that you're on the super-highway to the fiery place, and you're quite cheerily stomping the go-pedal, instead of the grape.

Yours in the Blood of our Savior,
Leroy Llewelyn

[Leroy Llewelyn]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

So far your lack of Biblical knowledge has other Forumites wondering if you're a Joo

You're not some kind of a Jew, are you?!

a Scotchman (a Calvinist Presbiter)

are you by any chance some sort of Scotchman?

or a Jehovah's Nitwit.

You aren't a Jehovah's witness, are you?!

Your rejection of the Lord's Will that we should enjoy wine makes me wonder if you're a goat-buggering closet-Mohammedan.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

The difference between that wine and this wine is that wine was like grapejuice and did not get people drunk

...very clear Scriptural references exhorting one of The Lords Gifts to us here on Earth: wine, the gift of the grape.

Brother Llewelyn,

Thank you for a most illuminating post. Your extremely intelligent musings were only surpassed by the magnificent Scripture that should be enough to show even the vilest sinner that - once Saved- the merriment brought to us by the Wine of God, of Jesus, is highly endorsed by our Creator. If I may, I'd like tom forced to assess the origins of this heresy uttered by the Troubled Person: "...this wine is that wine was like grapejuice..."

I am very sorry to say that this blasphemous claim (as if Jesus could not give the end product some kick) originates from the Seventh-Day Adventist cult. Even worse, this assertion was the result of the delusional hallucinations of their high priestess, Mrs. Ellen G. White, who introduced this ridiculous idea in her travesty of a book, The Ministry of Healing. And the worst is that, no, the name is not a coincidence if we consider the name of yours truly...

The Bible nowhere sanctions the use of intoxicating wine. The wine that Christ made from water at the marriage feast of Cana was the pure juice of the grape.

Look at the sentence, almost identical with the one written by our unsaved guest. Of course, it cannot be a coincidence. We should suspect some kind of SDA inflitration.



Galatians 2:4
And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Don't purchase this book. It is evil.




Yours in Christ,

Elmer