[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Brother Professor Dr White, Sir, that dreadful old harridan Mrs White (I speak of Mrs Ellen G White, obviously, not your own dear wife Mrs Elmer G White) cannot possibly have read the Bible. This is just utter nonsense!

The Bible nowhere sanctions the use of intoxicating wine. The wine that Christ made from water at the marriage feast of Cana was the pure juice of the grape.

Mr Llewellyn has already (very helpfully) quoted the relevant passage from John 2 concerning the marriage party at Cana.

John 2:9-10
When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

Now I don't think anyone would have described grape juice as good wine.

Partly out of curiosity, but mainly as a math exercise, I got my boys to calculate the quantities involved. Here are their workings:

1. John 2:6 tells us that there were 6 stone waterpots, each containing 2 or 3 firkins.
2. This is unusually vague for the KJV, but let's say an average of two-and-a-half firkins.
3. So 6 x 2-and-a-half is 15 firkins.
4. A firkin of wine was 84 gallons and so

5. 15 x 84 gallons = 1,260 gallons

We thought we had the answer. A lot of wine. BUT (and here I am VERY proud of little Nathanael, aged 4 years and 3 weeks!) because the KJV predates the Declaration of Independence, those were British gallons. If we convert them to proper, US gallons, we get:

6. 1,260 hated imperial gallons = 1,513 Godly American gallons.

So, even more wine than we thought!

I seem to have lost the thread of my argument, but I think my point stands.

YiC
Joanna

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I'll be the third person to ask you to justify this bold statement with scripture, friend.



Ah, but you do, as your conversation in this selfsame thread has been one big, salty Scripture-pretzel.

Several other members, as well as myself, have provided you with very clear Scriptural references exhorting one of The Lords Gifts to us here on Earth: wine, the gift of the grape.

To wit:

And:



And:


There is no contradiction, friend, there is all this Scripture encouraging us to enjoy the fruits of the vine in moderation, and there are those that prohibit overindulgence. It's baffling how you seem to want to purposely confuse the two. You are bringing upon yourself swift destruction, friend:

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1

What am I to think, friend, when you come here twisting Holy Scripture and casting about slanderous aspersions? Such as the following:



Of course your slanderous, baseless, unfounded accusation will make me suspicious of just what other sinning you're up to. The words of Matthew appear twice relevant:

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies
Matthew 15:19

And

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:15

More false witness, friend, or in the parlance of our times, a "straw-man argument". Please show me where I said this was your only agenda.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Really, friend? Really? And you claim innocence of twisting Scripture?

Ignore the Laws of the Bible at your own peril. Take it away, John:

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:35

For the law was given by Moses,
John 1:17


Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?
John 7:19

Georgia had pre-kindergarten in 1958? I never realized their education system was so progressive back then.




Where's the hate, friend? I'm simply trying to steer you onto the path of Salvation, as it's very clear that you're on the super-highway to the fiery place, and you're quite cheerily stomping the go-pedal, instead of the grape.

Yours in the Blood of our Savior,
Leroy Llewelyn

I guess i have been mistaken here leroy i aught to repent for that i guess wine ain't all that bad unless you go and use it as an excuse to become a drunkard.




And as for my profile pic (the older one) it only shows how Jesus truly feels about mankind.
Luke 14:26King James Version (KJV)

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 25:31-46King James Version (KJV)

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 10:34King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


So in short my potty mouth image is what Jesus does to all of the unbelievers in hell.

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I guess i have been mistaken here leroy i aught to repent for that

Praise for performing this miracle!

i guess wine ain't all that bad unless you go and use it as an excuse to become a drunkard.

It's better for you than water (1 Timothy 5:23), and even secular scientists agree that it's good for your health.

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Praise for performing this miracle!

It's better for you than water (1 Timothy 5:23), and even secular scientists agree that it's good for your health.

I still have to warn you guys not to become too merry with wine however Jesus does not want drunkards into heaven and if you drink too much wine you become a drunkard. So you fellow Christians better watch out or if you can't control yourself then you must destroy your wine.

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I still have to warn you guys not to become too merry with wine however Jesus does not want drunkards into heaven and if you drink too much wine you become a drunkard. So you fellow Christians better watch out or if you can't control yourself then you must destroy your wine.

Honey, I beg you to concentrate on the beam in your own eye before pulling out the mote from anyone else's.



Matthew 7:3-5
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Honey, I beg you to concentrate on the beam in your own eye before pulling out the mote from anyone else's.



Matthew 7:3-5
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

I guess ill have to get the beam (a rather small one) out of my own eye before i can boss you around then.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I guess ill have to get the beam (a rather small one) out of my own eye before i can boss you around then.

What makes you think you can ever boss around the Daughter of the King of Kings? Do you think Ivanka Trump gets bossed around by peasants?

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

I guess ill have to get the beam (a rather small one) out of my own eye before i can boss you around then.

Indeed, that would be great, honey. Not that I'm judging or anything, but some verses you might consider while working on that include:

1 Samuel 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let [not] arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD [is] a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

Proverbs 3:30 Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

Proverbs 16:5 Every one [that is] proud in heart [is] an abomination to the LORD: [though] hand [join] in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth [his] neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.

Philippians 2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

I hope that was helpful. I will pray for you.

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

What makes you think you can ever boss around the Daughter of the King of Kings? Do you think Ivanka Trump gets bossed around by peasants?

1 I have been a Christian longer


2 God himself personally told me i could in the bible
1 Timothy 2:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Corinthians 11:9 - Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.



So mary why are you not cooking right now or cleaning the house for your husband and instead on the interweb? I mean if he lets you go out you better <<<perverted pornographic fantasies>>> but rather you <<<perverted pornographic fantasies>>> to <<<perverted pornographic fantasies>>>.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

1 I have been a Christian longer

Prove it.

2 God himself personally told me i could in the bible
1 Timothy 2:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

What authority has Basilissa usurped over you?

1 Corinthians 11:9 - Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

When Christ is your head, and Basilissa is your help meet, then these points will apply to you. Until then, this serves as yet another example of your poor comprehension of Holy Bible, and the faith in general to which you profess to have.

So mary why are you not cooking right now or cleaning the house for your husband and instead on the interweb?

Because I've trained my children well. They obediently keep my home clean and my husband and I well fed, as is their duty.

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

1 I have been a Christian longer

A Christian who doesn't even know the Holy Bible?

You're either lying or you're some kind of a false Christian who's allergic to the Holy Bible.

2 God himself personally told me i could in the bible
1 Timothy 2:12-15King James Version (KJV)

1. How is any of us usurping any power over you? I mean, for all I know we might not even be on the same continent!

2. While we women are inferior beings, there is a pecking order on this Godly forum:

1. Pastors.
2. Men.
3. Women. <------------------- That's me and Mrs. Etheldreda
4. Forum Members.
5. Mice.
6. Spiders.
7. Dust mites.
8. Lint.
9. Unsaved Trash. <--------------------- That's you.

So mary why are you not cooking right now or cleaning the house for your husband and instead on the interweb? I mean if he lets you go out you better <<<perverted pornographic fantasies>>> but rather you <<<perverted pornographic fantasies>>> to <<<perverted pornographic fantasies>>>.

Eww!

[Troubled christian]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Indeed, that would be great, honey. Not that I'm judging or anything, but some verses you might consider while working on that include:

1 Samuel 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let [not] arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD [is] a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

Proverbs 3:30 Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

Proverbs 16:5 Every one [that is] proud in heart [is] an abomination to the LORD: [though] hand [join] in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth [his] neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.

Philippians 2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

I hope that was helpful. I will pray for you.

You are heretic i can tell it its simple i use the bible to backup what i said yet you are the one who cannot accept the word of God. The bible clearly tells women to submit to their husbands.


Ephesians 5:22-24 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. (Read More...)

1 Peter 3:1-7 - Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; (Read More...)

1 Timothy 2:11-12 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. (Read More...)

Ephesians 5:22 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Ephesians 5:21 - Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Colossians 3:18 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Genesis 2:18 - And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.


Just because you have not <<<words referring to genitalia removed>>> or you cannot control yourself does not mean i am in the wrong on bossing around a woman don't you get it?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

You are heretic i can tell it its simple i use the bible to backup what i said yet you are the one who cannot accept the word of God. The bible clearly tells women to submit to their husbands.

You stealthily married her just now? All the way from the East Coast? Dang!

[Basilissa]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

You are heretic i can tell it its simple i use the bible to backup what i said yet you are the one who cannot accept the word of God. The bible clearly tells women to submit to their husbands.


Ephesians 5:22-24 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. (Read More...)

1 Peter 3:1-7 - Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; (Read More...)

1 Timothy 2:11-12 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. (Read More...)

Ephesians 5:22 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Ephesians 5:21 - Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Colossians 3:18 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Genesis 2:18 - And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.


Just because you have not <<<words referring to genitalia removed>>> or you cannot control yourself does not mean i am in the wrong on bossing around a woman don't you get it?

Wait, what? Are you suggesting now that I'm your wife?

Now I'm really confused.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: My introduction and my story as a christian

Wait, what? Are you suggesting now that I'm your wife?

Now I'm really confused.

I'm beginning to think he's a man-witch, Sister. Maybe he married your voodoo doll. I don't like to think of the honeymoon.