I would like to cover a few things in here.
First to quote a pastor.
“Welcome to God's favorite forum, Alyssa. Jesus has called you here to set you straight on the road to Salvation.
First of all, we follow the entire Holy Bible, not just some of it like most churches out there. Your opinion or imagination has nothing to do with Salvation. The Bible commands us to avoid unsaved scum like queers, witches, gypsies and goths. No where are commanded to "tolerate" them.”
I do believe that this is Pastor Ezekiel, if reference serves me right.
First of, if God was reading this Forum I do believe he would be disappointed. I know in my heart of hearts that he would be very disappointed in your twisting of his word.
Secondly, You base all of your questions off of the King James Bible. Not The Holy Bible. Call it for what it is please, just a knock off, with fancy words rewritten to better suite a majority of people’s views. People are impressionable so they fallow the lead of others mindlessly and think their way is the right way, with out ever seeing that maybe they could be very wrong.
Next, I would love to let you know that God has given us the gift of imagination, to use as we see fit, and the ability to form our own opinions which you seem to enjoy telling people are wrong because it does not coincide with your own little imaginary world. Having ones own opinion can either lead to what you call salvation or damnation. Opinions are guided by thoughts and thoughts are guided by the facts we think we know, ultimately our opinions are based off what we feel, and we are given feelings to do just that, feel. Yes Opinions lead to salvation, it has to be in ones opinion that they do need salvation, not because some one told them so.
However one of my many questions on this site have been answered in this statement alone. “ No we are commanded to “tolerate” them, Proof right there to Wide open that it is not his place to judge but to tolerate, the greater challenge after that is accepting the things you can not change.
Next topic:
This forum is extremely judgmental, with out any real or factual knowledge to back up what it claims… example, “How many times have you been molested by priests? Why don't your parents take you to a Christian church?”
If I remember correctly, it was the boy’s who were molested, well that’s what hit the news, the real fact of the matter is Ezekiel, it can happen anywhere, with anyone, at any time, it is not limited to the catholic church.
By the way here is the definition of your precious religion, Pay attention to what I’ve highlighted don’t over look it these are the facts as recognized by the world.
Christianity (from the word X??st?? "Christ") is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.[2] Adherents of Christianity, known as Christians,[3] believe that Jesus is the only begotten[4][5] Son of God and the Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Hebrew Bible (the part of scripture common to Christianity and Judaism). Christian theology claims that Jesus Christ is a teacher, the model of a virtuous life, the revealer of God, as well as an incarnation of God, and most importantly the savior of humanity who suffered, died, and was resurrected to bring about salvation from sin.[6] *Pay close attention here Wide open and you too Ezekiel as I have stated before and will again it is not your place to judge.* Christians maintain that Jesus ascended into heaven, and most denominations teach that Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead, granting everlasting life to his followers. * See as I said NOT your Job, and your not doing yourselves any favors either* Christians call the message of Jesus Christ the Gospel ("good news") and hence label the earliest written accounts of his ministry as gospels. Like Judaism and Islam, Christianity is classified as an Abrahamic religion (see also Judeo-Christian).[7][8][9] Christianity began as a Jewish sect[10][11] in the eastern Mediterranean, quickly grew in size and influence over a few decades, and by the 4th century had become the dominant religion within the Roman Empire. During the Middle Ages, most of the remainder of Europe was christianized, with Christians also being a (sometimes large) religious minority in the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of India.[12] Following the Age of Discovery, through missionary work and colonization, Christianity spread to the Americas and the rest of the world.
By the way incase you didn’t catch that Ezekiel, Christianity derived from Judaism.
As far as Jesus not being Jew, I hate to tell you this but you are very wrong. Christianity think about this, only after his teachings did it become anything at all, Christ in Christianity is for Christ the only son of God, as it’s been put, but I was thought we were all God’s children. I could have sworn I was told that we were created in GOD’S image.
I know it says that some where in the bible.
Now that I’ve said that, there are other things that I want to point out as well, from my previous experience here.
AGAIN I must ask, as I have before. I have a question, Dose this site discriminate against everyone equally calling them unsaved trash when obviously people don't know the new user from Adam or Eve? Nor are they capable of knowing and understanding outside views and differing relationships with god then there own sick and twisted little fantasy world? I'm just curious.. Because apparently to this batch of high horse riders I'm unsaved trash. I don't mind that really, I think your all part of a self righteous cult myself.. and that your narrow minded and are missing the big picture all together.
I was disappointed last night that I didn’t get an answer.
And Enigmatic, oh sweet Enigma..
Are you so far gone that you cant even do research?
Your way is not the only right way out there to show faith, you show faith in a way that allows you to communicate with God the best way you can, however that might be.
And please Prove to me with more then your arrogant banter “exactly” what Wicca is.
If you want to talk to me about falsified religions, please take a look at your own small little cult and then let me know. I know I’m not going to hell, I’m sorry I’m not, no I’m not in a state of denial, I’ve done to much good for others and given myself over time and time again to God’s will. And it is HIS not my own. I am a vessel for him to use as he wishes. And for playing my part in the role he has given me, though not flawlessly (because I am flawed like everyone) I know that I am not doomed to eternal damnation.
What are you supposed to be scared of Enigma? Be afraid of my open mind and open heart. Be afraid of the things I might say because I have a will of my own god given. Be afraid Enigma that you can not scare me because I know that I am with out a doubt saved.
And Nobar “This one writes like a Juggaloser. Who would be surprised to know that they're chronic masturbators? That's what you get for being ugly, undesirable, and unsocial.”
I have to point this out to you, or can you see it for yourself yet? No I’m not Ugly I’m sorry to disappoint you. If I am so undesirable, then please tell me why there are so many people in my life that love me and care about me? And lastly unsocial? Please, if I wasn’t social I wouldn’t have the balls to come in here and give any of you a piece of my mind.
Bobby-Joe.
Paganism was around long before Christianity ever came about. Long before Christ, long before any organized religions and cults ever came about, Paganism ties more into Greek and Roman mythology then anything else.
One last thing before my very last rant I have to bring this up because I keep seeing it, and I’m tired of it, it seems to be you’re only line of so called defense in anything you say, just because you don’t like what your reading, because some one has a mind of there own. I really am sorry you cant come up with anything better to say to people who do not see your views other then they are going to hell.
Ezekiel that’s for you.
Now my nastily narrow minded occult poppets, my last rant.
God gives each and every one of us gifts to be used, to help guide others to him. Badgering people this way is not a god given gift, and if it is, then it is being misused. I have a few said gifts myself, only one or two I will speak of here.
I am a truth seer. Mock me all you want, it is a god given gift and I use it. I see how people really are, weather they are good deep down inside, some where, confused.. Mislead, misguided… I have to say this now because it bothers me so much every time I see your picture Pastor Ezekiel.
You are very far gone from what your path is supposed to be. The look in your eyes is some what frightening to me. I believe your true vision is clouded by real unholy thoughts and desires. You are more then welcome to deny this, that is fine but I also feel that you are lacking something very important in your life, something is missing and by being a jack ass to other people you get some kind of rise to temporarily fill that hole in your heart.
Something honestly inst right and I suggest you do some soul searching and some talking with your God about what your missing. I get this breaking feeling when I look at your picture, and it truly is unsettling.
Lissy, Honey Do yourself a favor and don’t associate with these people, you are bright, and have a great future ahead of you. I hope you don’t let any of what they have said get to you, because in all honesty it’s not true. Last night they proved their cowardice to me by banning me simply because they do not like what I have to say, nor will I conform to what they want. Yes Lissy, they are out of their minds, and not for Jesus, for power and control. They have proved to me that they have nothing to back up their falsified religion, except the same phrases over and over again, and some other contradictory statements as well.
Once again I’m sure they will prove their cowardice and ban me once more, simply because that’s exactly what they are, cowards.
Everything you said in that was hurtful. I honestly do not know what is wrong with you people. God is not like what you think he is. God is kind. God should NOT be feared.
Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
See also Leviticus 19:14, 19:32, 25:17, Deuteronomy 4:10, 6:2, 6:24, 8:6, 10:12, 10:20, 13:4, 14:23, 17:19, 28:58, 31:12-13, Joshua 4:24...do you want me to go on? I can if you'd like.
The way you call me a Jew when I'm not one is extremely immature.
You hebes are notorious liars. Next you'll be trying to tell us that there's no such thing as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
I feel God called me here for me to know the truth.
For once we are in total agreement.
You all have just confirmed what I believed even more. I love God. He knows everything about me.
Shame you know absolutely nothing about Him.
When I'm in a touch situation all I do is pray and it makes me feel calm, because you know why? I know he's in my heart, showing me the way. Jesus is one of my best friends.
You disgusting whore! You've already told us far too much about what you do when you're "in a touch situation", we didn't need to know your disgustingly blasphemous claim that Jesus "shows you the way" to touch yourself! I'm just trying to read an innocent Church messageboard, I don't want to be bombarded with unholy fantasies about Our Loving Saviour rubbing the unmentionable parts of depraved Hebrew tarts!
The past few days I was here it has really strenghtened my relationship with God.
Well, I suppose it could hardly get any weaker. I will pray for you.
O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
Now Lissy nothing to fear. A sweet young 16 yr old like yourself has got lots a time (60 years I reckon) to redeem herself so don't start that too soon. You got lots a time to drive down that road of damnation before you got ta turn around. I'm heading down that road myself, why don' you just jump in, jump on and let's go!
Now Lissy nothing to fear. A sweet young 16 yr old like yourself has got lots a time (60 years I reckon) to redeem herself so don't start that too soon. You got lots a time to drive down that road of damnation before you got ta turn around. I'm heading down that road myself, why don' you just jump in, jump on and let's go!
A little old to be driving minors across State lines aren't you?
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“We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”
Now Lissy nothing to fear. A sweet young 16 yr old like yourself has got lots a time (60 years I reckon) to redeem herself so don't start that too soon. You got lots a time to drive down that road of damnation before you got ta turn around. I'm heading down that road myself, why don' you just jump in, jump on and let's go!
The main problem with your unsaved advice is that she doesn't know when Jesus is going to decide to kill her. She could be in the middle of some witch orgy, high on narcotics, drinking the blood of a Christian baby thinking, "I don't need to worry yet. I still have plenty of time to apologize for my disgusting behavior and get to Heaven" when suddenly BAM! Jesus kills her dead. Time's up! No more chances left! And when she appears before Jesus on bended knee on Judgment Day, all her apologies will be scoffed at and ignored. Jesus will push that red button, the trap door will open, and down she goes into the everlasting torments of hellfire, all thanks to your idiotic ideas.
Is that the advice you want to offer this poor little self-absorbed fool? That is just plain hateful!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
The main problem with your unsaved advice is that she doesn't know when Jesus is going to decide to kill her. She could be in the middle of some witch orgy, high on narcotics, drinking the blood of a Christian baby thinking, "I don't need to worry yet. I still have plenty of time to apologize for my disgusting behavior and get to Heaven" when suddenly BAM! Jesus kills her dead. Time's up! No more chances left! And when she appears before Jesus on bended knee on Judgment Day, all her apologies will be scoffed at and ignored. Jesus will push that red button, the trap door will open, and down she goes into the everlasting torments of hellfire, all thanks to your idiotic ideas.
Is that the advice you want to offer this poor little self-absorbed fool? That is just plain hateful!
Why is it that you think I'm such a bad person, Pastor Ezekiel? You know some people out there are really cruel... They go about murduring other innocents. I'm not one of those people. And then there are people who don't care about others feelings. They can insult, embarass, degrade, and humiliate others.
But I could never do that to anyone. No, because I care to much. I care about people even if they don't care for me.
Now, if they sit there and insult me or someone I love, thats a different story.
But I don't understand how you can sit there and call me self absorbed.
In the end I think my kindness will pay off. Every now and then we make our mistakes. No one is perfect after all.
Why is it that you think I'm such a bad person, Pastor Ezekiel? You know some people out there are really cruel... They go about murduring other innocents. I'm not one of those people. And then there are people who don't care about others feelings. They can insult, embarass, degrade, and humiliate others.
But I could never do that to anyone. No, because I care to much. I care about people even if they don't care for me.
Now, if they sit there and insult me or someone I love, thats a different story.
But I don't understand how you can sit there and call me self absorbed.
In the end I think my kindness will pay off. Every now and then we make our mistakes. No one is perfect after all.
-LissyLovesYou. Not Herself.
That's nice and I am sure JESUS brought you here and taught you those words because they are what we practice. Now that you have accepted JESUS into your heart, why not just say it out loud?
Emeritus Professor of the Christ Jesus Chair of Theology at Landover Baptist University.
"God loves you. Let us arrange for you to meet Him". Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth.--Psalms 58:6
Yes, I know Jesus sent me here.
But I'm scared.
I just read Pastor Ezekiels thread about tatoos and piercings...And I have 10. 9 on my ears and my belly button. I don't want to go to hell, should I close them all up, or am I already doomed?
If they heal then will everything be okay? Or am I still going to be punished for doing it in the first place?
Your willfull body scarring has no doubt infuriated Jesus, but your uppity feminazi ideas will get you in even more trouble.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; There is no Salvation(r) without REPENTANCE. Sincere repentance, not a casual "Sorry 'bout that" to the Lord.
You have to turn your life over to JESUS and STOP WALLOWING IN SIN, girl!
I'll bet you can't even bake a decent pie, can you!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
Your willfull body scarring has no doubt infuriated Jesus, but your uppity feminazi ideas will get you in even more trouble.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; There is no Salvation® without REPENTANCE. Sincere repentance, not a casual "Sorry 'bout that" to the Lord.
You have to turn your life over to JESUS and STOP WALLOWING IN SIN, girl!
I'll bet you can't even bake a decent pie, can you!
Well I've never tried to make a pie, but I make really yummy fudge!
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