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  • James Hutchins
    True Christian™
    Just a Regular Nice Guy
     
    • Jun 2009
    • 29453

    #16
    Re: I'm Curious...

    I am a tad bothered by your screen name. After reading what you've posted, I not sure what to make of all of this. I do think you need to sit back, and think about your commitment to God. He knows if you are serious or just playing a game.
    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
    Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
    Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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    • Gabriel Reproba
      Head Attorney of Landover's Legal Team
      The Most Honest Lawyer in America
      True Christian™
      • Nov 2009
      • 2479

      #17
      Re: I'm Curious...

      Originally posted by DogBackwards View Post
      Well I think I have a right to be at least a little angry Noah. I dislike having what I say changed. Freedom of Speech is usually supported by the Right, correct?
      Not when it offends God or God's favorite country.

      And I understand what the forum says it believes all too well Gabriel...
      Then what questions can I help you with? Do you believe that the Bible is the literal word of God?
      Yours In Christ,

      Gabriel Reproba, Esq. (Lawyer for the Lord)

      Further reading to help you become a True Christian™

      Stoning Sinners: A How-To Guide
      Scientific Study: Bible is NOT "All About Love"
      The One Sin Jesus Says He Won't EVER Forgive!
      Should we only follow SOME of the Bible?
      How will YOU sacrifice your kids?
      20 Questions To See If Your Son Is A Fag
      God: Dress Like A Whore...Get Raped!
      Bible: If You Love Your Wife, Beat Her!
      Logic and Bible Agree: Gay is a choice!
      Nursery Rhymes Teach kids that Christ is Lord!
      There is no such thing as an "agnostic!"
      Science: People are Only Islamic Because They are Depressed!

      Reading only the parts of the Bible your pastor tells you to (those that make you feel warm and fuzzy) is nothing but mental and spiritual masturbation. Read the WHOLE Bible to find out what Christianity is REALLY all about! Only then can you talk to us about why we try so hard to save people from Hell.

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      • Backwards Child
        Confirmed Enemy of God
        • Jan 2010
        • 52

        #18
        Re: I'm Curious...

        Look, all I want to know is this. PLEASE just tell me this. WHY do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? WHY do you believe that a book filled with such horrible things can be something that is good to believe in? HOW do you know that we are "God's Favorite Country"? HOW do you know what God's political opinions are, if he even cares about them? HOW do you know that YOUR God is the one true God?

        I'm not even trying to be offensive at this point, I just don't understand!

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        • Gabriel Reproba
          Head Attorney of Landover's Legal Team
          The Most Honest Lawyer in America
          True Christian™
          • Nov 2009
          • 2479

          #19
          Re: I'm Curious...

          Originally posted by DogBackwards View Post
          Look, all I want to know is this. PLEASE just tell me this. WHY do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? WHY do you believe that a book filled with such horrible things can be something that is good to believe in? HOW do you know that we are "God's Favorite Country"? HOW do you know what God's political opinions are, if he even cares about them? HOW do you know that YOUR God is the one true God?
          OK, so we have established for sure that you are an unsaved sinner that is going to Hell. We can help you. It is not too late to be saved and I want to help you. I love all mankind and I simply hate to think of anyone dying before they get saved. How can I help you accept Jesus Christ into your heart?
          Yours In Christ,

          Gabriel Reproba, Esq. (Lawyer for the Lord)

          Further reading to help you become a True Christian™

          Stoning Sinners: A How-To Guide
          Scientific Study: Bible is NOT "All About Love"
          The One Sin Jesus Says He Won't EVER Forgive!
          Should we only follow SOME of the Bible?
          How will YOU sacrifice your kids?
          20 Questions To See If Your Son Is A Fag
          God: Dress Like A Whore...Get Raped!
          Bible: If You Love Your Wife, Beat Her!
          Logic and Bible Agree: Gay is a choice!
          Nursery Rhymes Teach kids that Christ is Lord!
          There is no such thing as an "agnostic!"
          Science: People are Only Islamic Because They are Depressed!

          Reading only the parts of the Bible your pastor tells you to (those that make you feel warm and fuzzy) is nothing but mental and spiritual masturbation. Read the WHOLE Bible to find out what Christianity is REALLY all about! Only then can you talk to us about why we try so hard to save people from Hell.

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          • Backwards Child
            Confirmed Enemy of God
            • Jan 2010
            • 52

            #20
            Re: I'm Curious...

            While I appreciate that you didn't immediately tell me to go away, and asked if you could help me, you still didn't answer any of my questions. Would you please, if only to help me understand?

            But I'll tell you what. Here are a few things that will convince me that YOUR specific God is real.
            1. If God came down to me in a beam of light, and told me to convert to your specific religion, or I would surely be cast into hell.
            2. If your religion had some sort of extremely specific prophecy that could not have been predicted using science at that time, and came true in an extremely clear way.
            3. If an undeniable supernatural miracle occured.
            4. If you came up with a reasonable logical argument for your God.

            And if you could provide any evidence for your God existing, that would certaintly be a step towards converting me.

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            • Once was lost
              ...but now is found.
              True Christian™
              • Feb 2009
              • 490

              #21
              Re: I'm Curious...

              DogBackwards
              I'm not even trying to be offensive at this point
              Somehow you come off to me as offensive even from your first posting. I am probably the most Liberal member here on God's greatest internet Forum and spend quite a bit of time praying for some Trash that show up here at times.

              When i read comments like this one you posted "WHY do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? WHY do you believe that a book filled with such horrible things can be something that is good to believe in?" the Bile just backs up in my stomach andi wonder why the Elders here even let you continue to post?Tonight my Prayers will be for you and hopefully tomorrow you might return with a bit of common sense.

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              • Ezekiel Bathfire
                Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
                Christ's Rottweiler
                 
                • Jan 2008
                • 22882

                #22
                Re: I'm Curious...

                Originally posted by DogBackwards View Post
                Look, all I want to know is this. PLEASE just tell me this. WHY do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?
                He inspired its authors
                WHY do you believe that a book filled with such horrible things can be something that is good to believe in?
                God's ways are not the ways of man, but man's ways should be God's.
                HOW do you know that we are "God's Favorite Country"?
                Can you think of somewhere else? If you want a clue, think of the founding fathers...
                HOW do you know what God's political opinions are,
                The Bible is filled with His philosophy
                if he even cares about them?
                There are 2 examples of democracy in the Bible. In the first 20,000 people are consumed in fire, in the next an Apostle is chosen - the apostle dies in martyrdom. God wants a theocracy.
                HOW do you know that YOUR God is the one true God?
                You really are dim, aren't you? Hello! Anyone there? 1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Deuteronomy 5:1-22
                I'm not even trying to be offensive at this point, I just don't understand!
                You can be offensive without trying...
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                “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

                Author of such illuminating essays as,
                Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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                • Nobar King
                  Municipal Code Archivist - Deuteronomy 28:58
                  Christ's Guardian
                  True Christian™
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 23748

                  #23
                  Re: I'm Curious...

                  No one here is trying to convert you. You have to come to know Jesus on your own.
                  May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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                  • Brother Temperance
                    Senior Usher
                    True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                    A very nice young man
                    True Christian™
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 15621

                    #24
                    Re: I'm Curious...

                    Originally posted by Backwards Child View Post
                    While I appreciate that you didn't immediately tell me to go away, and asked if you could help me, you still didn't answer any of my questions. Would you please, if only to help me understand?

                    But I'll tell you what. Here are a few things that will convince me that YOUR specific God is real.
                    And if you could provide any evidence for your God existing, that would certaintly be a step towards converting me.
                    It's not that simple. God deliberately makes it look as though He doesn't exist, so those with weak faith will be damned:

                    John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
                    40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

                    2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
                    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

                    Do you see now how glorious He is? Praise Him!
                    O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                    God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                    • Backwards Child
                      Confirmed Enemy of God
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 52

                      #25
                      Re: I'm Curious...

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      He inspired its authors
                      And how do you know that?

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      God's ways are not the ways of man, but man's ways should be God's.
                      Ill admit it, rape, murder, genocide, mass killings, intolerance, and being illogical and unfair seem pretty immoral to me, and I think it says something that I am more moral than your God.

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      Can you think of somewhere else? If you want a clue, think of the founding fathers...
                      I encourage you to as well. http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
                      See that picture? It explicitly states that we are not founded on religion. Several of the founding fathers could have been atheist or agnostic as well.


                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      The Bible is filled with His philosophy
                      I know. I've read it. I've heard it saying anything about republicans however. Oddly enough, I don't think GOD said anything about politics either.

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      There are 2 examples of democracy in the Bible. In the first 20,000 people are consumed in fire, in the next an Apostle is chosen - the apostle dies in martyrdom. God wants a theocracy.
                      And the fact that your God wants to kill 20000 people in a fire for having a fair political system is another reason why I dislike him.

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      You really are dim, aren't you? Hello! Anyone there? 1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Deuteronomy 5:1-22
                      Interesting. By the way, why do you think the Bible is the Word of God, or even any kind of evidence? Seems to me that with your knowledge of it, you would've realized that it has been mistranslated and edited to know end. And the fact that Moses went onto a mountain... ALL ALONE... with NOBODY around to see it, for months, and then came down with tablets that he couldve made himself, is NOT proof that that is what God said.

                      Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post
                      You can be offensive without trying...
                      True. But I was just asking questions, not flaming you.

                      And to Nobar, I know they aren't but he asked what would make me believe, so I told him what would convert me.

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                      • Backwards Child
                        Confirmed Enemy of God
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 52

                        #26
                        Re: I'm Curious...

                        Originally posted by Brother Temperance View Post
                        It's not that simple. God deliberately makes it look as though He doesn't exist, so those with weak faith will be damned:

                        John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
                        40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

                        2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
                        12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

                        Do you see now how glorious He is? Praise Him!
                        I do not... I find it rather hard to believe in, or find anything glorious about a God who expects me to blindly believe everything that a book says for no particular reason...

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                        • Wide-Open
                          Director of European Evangelical Outreach
                          A Shining Example of Christ's Love
                          Quite possibly the only decent, heterosexual human being in the whole of Europe
                          True Christian™
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 18449

                          #27
                          Re: I'm Curious...

                          That's why it's called Faith friend.

                          You seem to expect proof. We have faith.

                          Can you really not hear the soothing voice of Baby Jesus, our Lord? He's calling your name. Listen. Shhhhhh.
                          Psalm 81:10:
                          I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
                          open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

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                          • Backwards Child
                            Confirmed Enemy of God
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 52

                            #28
                            Re: I'm Curious...

                            Originally posted by Wide-Open View Post
                            That's why it's called Faith friend.

                            You seem to expect proof. We have faith.

                            Can you really not hear the soothing voice of Baby Jesus, our Lord? He's calling your name. Listen. Shhhhhh.
                            I can accept that. I honestly could care less if you have faith, I personally think it's ridiculous to believe something for not good reason, but that only my opinion. However, what I do object to is the forcing of your faith onto others, which is what happens all too often.
                            And I listened, I was a Christian for a significant portion of my life, but I eventually grew out of it once I realized there is no reason to believe it.

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                            • Wide-Open
                              Director of European Evangelical Outreach
                              A Shining Example of Christ's Love
                              Quite possibly the only decent, heterosexual human being in the whole of Europe
                              True Christian™
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 18449

                              #29
                              Re: I'm Curious...

                              Originally posted by Backwards Child View Post
                              I can accept that. I honestly could care less if you have faith, I personally think it's ridiculous to believe something for not good reason, but that only my opinion. However, what I do object to is the forcing of your faith onto others, which is what happens all too often.
                              And I listened, I was a Christian for a significant portion of my life, but I eventually grew out of it once I realized there is no reason to believe it.
                              Friend, did we come to your house, or did you Google "Landover Baptist Church" and started being rude to us?

                              Jesus sees everything. Never forget.
                              Psalm 81:10:
                              I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
                              open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

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                              • Brother Temperance
                                Senior Usher
                                True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                                A very nice young man
                                True Christian™
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 15621

                                #30
                                Re: I'm Curious...

                                Originally posted by Backwards Child View Post
                                However, what I do object to is the forcing of your faith onto others, which is what happens all too often.
                                Wrong again. It doesn't happen often enough. If we forced Christianity onto more people, less people would go to Hell. Why do you want people to go to Hell?
                                And I listened, I was a Christian for a significant portion of my life, but I eventually grew out of it once I realized there is no reason to believe it.
                                You don't call the promise of Eternal Life a good enough reason? How picky are you?
                                O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                                God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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