[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Rational mind?

But are my decisions irrational since I don't bring GOD into the equation?

YES

Psalm 14:1 [To the chiefe musician, A Psalme of Dauid.] The foole hath sayd in his heart, There is no God: they are corrupt, they haue done abominable workes, there is none that doeth good.
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Now why would God say that if it were not true?

The Bible teaches us more about what that means:

Proverbs 18:2 A foole hath no delight in vnderstanding, but that his heart may discouer it selfe.
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Notice how similar that is to what you posted earlier?

..make healthy judgements without The Bible.

We do not see creation from different standpoints because according to you, you don't see creation at all. You don't listen to anything God says about His Creation and even consider that He has created NOTHING. So what "creation" are you looking at? You say there isn't one!

I never express opinions and the words I have written here are simple statements of fact. Neither is it necessary for me to make "decisions" because God has given us an instruction manual for living. It's called The Bible. God tells us:

II TIMOTHY 3
13 But euill men and seducers shall waxe worse and worse, deceiuing, and being deceiued.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whome thou hast learned them.
15 And that from a childe thou hast knowen the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise vnto saluation through faith which is in Christ Iesus.
16 All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,
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I don't have to decide. God has told me how to identify you and I have identified you. Praise Him! III John 1:11

[Jacob L.]

Re: Rational mind?

YES

Psalm 14:1 [To the chiefe musician, A Psalme of Dauid.] The foole hath sayd in his heart, There is no God: they are corrupt, they haue done abominable workes, there is none that doeth good.
©1611

Now why would God say that if it were not true?

The Bible teaches us more about what that means:

Proverbs 18:2 A foole hath no delight in vnderstanding, but that his heart may discouer it selfe.
©1611

Notice how similar that is to what you posted earlier?

We do not see creation from different standpoints because according to you, you don't see creation at all. You don't listen to anything God says about His Creation and even consider that He has created NOTHING. So what "creation" are you looking at? You say there isn't one!

I never express opinions and the words I have written here are simple statements of fact. Neither is it necessary for me to make "decisions" because God has given us an instruction manual for living. It's called The Bible. God tells us:

II TIMOTHY 3
13 But euill men and seducers shall waxe worse and worse, deceiuing, and being deceiued.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whome thou hast learned them.
15 And that from a childe thou hast knowen the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise vnto saluation through faith which is in Christ Iesus.
16 All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,
©1611

I don't have to decide. God has told me how to identify you and I have identified you. Praise Him! III John 1:11

Alright, creation might be the wrong word. But the beginning of time, to me is related to the big bang theory, and that's our disagreement. I believe in Darwin's theory on evolution and you believe in the words of GOD.

You say you have identified me, so who am I, then?

[Jacob L.]

Re: Rational mind?

I never express opinions and the words I have written here are simple statements of fact. Neither is it necessary for me to make "decisions" because God has given us an instruction manual for living. It's called The Bible. God tells us:

I forgot to commend on this. You say, that you never express opinions, you're simply just stating facts. Well to me that's not a fact, since I'm not totally convinced that the Bible are true from the start till the end. But I can see that it's very convenient to hide behind the words of the Bible, whenever life doesn't make sence.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, I'm new

I don't know about you, I'm not looking for a boyfriend. If you have trouble finding one, I can probably hook you up with one of my friends.

Ok so you have to quote the bible. But still, I can not feel the person behind it. It's just reciting from a book, and to me it's not really arguments. Why do you need the bible or God to tell you what to do or how to live? If you're a rational human being, you're able to make healthy judgements without the bible. I concider myself a nice guy, willing to do the best I can for my family, friends and people in general. But you're right, I don't pray, I rarely go to church, does that make me a bad person and is that the only way into heaven? If heaven really do excist?

We're not here to argue. We're here to tell you what God wants you to do or you will burn forever. If you don't like that then you are, of course, free to burn forever.

How else are we to know what God wants us to do so we don't burn forever if we don't follow what it says in the Bible?

It doesn't matter what you do that sounds nice to you by moral standards you made up inside your own head. If you don't follow God's laws you will burn forever.

Have I warned you about burning forever enough to make any difference to you? being a True Christian is about pleasing God by following the teachings of Jesus so He doesn't burn you forever, you see.

There can be no fellowship between you and a True Christian. Lots of fake Christians will lie to you and tell you you are a good person because they want you to like them. They are, however, lying. Every single one of them knows in their heart of hearts that unless you change your mind before you die and follow God's commandments from that point on you will burn in hell for all eternity. Not a single one of them thinks you are right and they secretly hope you will stop being as you are and want you to change. Of course, a great many of them are also going to Hell because of, among other things, having anything to do with you socially when they know you are an unbeliever and generally not really believing in God anyway but making up their own God instead.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I'm new

I don't intend to to be obstinate just for the sake of argument. But I disagree we you. You can think I'm being obstinate, but that is not the intention. I like the debate and the arguments. To me it's difficult to relate to a book (The Holy Bible) that tells me what I should think of other people. I know you're reffering to the words of GOD and that he knows everything, since he created it all. But to me all people are eaqual, and should be treated eaqually. It doesn't matter if they're black/white, homo/hetro, religeous/atheists.

See, if we were at whatjacobbelieves.net that would have some legitimacy insofar as being germane to the implicit goals of said website. BUT, since we are currently on a website devoted to the glory and praise of Our Lord Jesus Christ what you believe is immaterial.

Do you go to sports forums and insist on talking about the opera? Do you log on to literary forums and demand to know how to make crème brûlée? Do you visit shotacon futanari sites and start a discussion about bluegrass music?

Of course not.

So why do you think equivalent HERE should be given any more respectability?

Yours in Christ,

Zech

[Jacob L.]

Re: Hello, I'm new

We're not here to argue. We're here to tell you what God wants you to do or you will burn forever. If you don't like that then you are, of course, free to burn forever.

How else are we to know what God wants us to do so we don't burn forever if we don't follow what it says in the Bible?

It doesn't matter what you do that sounds nice to you by moral standards you made up inside your own head. If you don't follow God's laws you will burn forever.

Have I warned you about burning forever enough to make any difference to you? being a True Christian is about pleasing God by following the teachings of Jesus so He doesn't burn you forever, you see.

There can be no fellowship between you and a True Christian. Lots of fake Christians will lie to you and tell you you are a good person because they want you to like them. They are, however, lying. Every single one of them knows in their heart of hearts that unless you change your mind before you die and follow God's commandments from that point on you will burn in hell for all eternity. Not a single one of them thinks you are right and they secretly hope you will stop being as you are and want you to change. Of course, a great many of them are also going to Hell because of, among other things, having anything to do with you socially when they know you are an unbeliever and generally not really believing in God anyway but making up their own God instead.

Did you mention that I will burn forever!
Frankly it doesn't really bother me, since I still don't believe in that stuff. So I'll peacefully await my burning forever and ever. Seems you didn't do a very good job on your mission to probably find a new member to your weird society! Have a nice life, I'm glad for you that you'll not burn forever, as your obviously one of GOD's chosen few! Praise the lord!

[Jacob L.]

Re: Hello, I'm new

See, if we were at whatjacobbelieves.net that would have some legitimacy insofar as being germane to the implicit goals of said website. BUT, since we are currently on a website devoted to the glory and praise of Our Lord Jesus Christ what you believe is immaterial.

Do you go to sports forums and insist on talking about the opera? Do you log on to literary forums and demand to know how to make crème brûlée? Do you visit shotacon futanari sites and start a discussion about bluegrass music?

Of course not.

So why do you think equivalent HERE should be given any more respectability?

Yours in Christ,

Zech

Sorry for insulting you, sorry for trying to have a dialog. I was not aware that it was such a taboo, for an non - believer to change opinions with you chosen ones. I believe I have a lot of potential to actually evolve, just a bit. But I can clearly hear that you are better of without development, since you are hanging on to the Bible. The Bible are based on words written down and passed on through the last 5000 thousand years. Well that's non development! So if you want to live in your world of make believes you're free to do so. It must be much more comfortable than dealing with the real world. Keep living in your narrow-minded, intolerant world, where your are not capable of have one single thought made up by your self. I had hoped to be met with a little more curiosity, but it seems your better off padding each other on your backs reciting passages from the Bible, so that your uncertainty can be approved by other people who are just as insecure as yourself. Take care, I'm not sure that GOD have time to do it all of the time.

Sincerely Jacob

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I'm new

And why excactly, shouldn't I hang around with homosexuals? Are you the one to tell me who I can and can not see?

And by the way I can't see I'm more insulting than Redeemed Papist. He was the one accusing me for looking for a boyfriend!

Sincerely Jacob

God says so, that's why!

You see the Holy Bible tells us that homers (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." Romans 1:31-32

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So unless you'd like to follow your queer pals down to the pits of hell (where they'll be tortured forever and ever amen), I would strongly suggest that you pick your friends more carefully.

[Jacob L.]

Re: Hello, I'm new

I'll choose my friends ecxactly as I have always done. And if they are homosexuals so be it. I'm not affraid of my future or what ever will happen when I'm dead!
By the way, I might be wrong, doesn't the bible say something like: "women should not speak in public!" Well things change, and I'm glad they do, I'm happy to change with them.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I'm new

I'll choose my friends ecxactly as I have always done. And if they are homosexuals so be it. I'm not affraid of my future or what ever will happen when I'm dead!
By the way, I might be wrong, doesn't the bible say something like: "women should not speak in public!" Well things change, and I'm glad they do, I'm happy to change with them.

So you're willing to change, but only in ways that promote sodomy. Do I have that correct?

[Jacob L.]

So you're willing to change, but only in ways that promote sodomy. Do I have that correct?

Well that's your of interpeting. But not excactly what I meant. I'm takling about about living in present time. Not living in the past. I'm also glad that the USA stopped slavery, equal rights for black people. I'm not just concentrating on homosexuality, though it would make it easier for you to hate me even more.
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[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, I'm new

Well that's your of interpeting. But not excactly what I meant. I'm takling about about living in present time. Not living in the past. I'm also glad that the USA stopped slavery, equal rights for black people. I'm not just concentrating on homosexuality, though it would make it easier for you to hate me even more.
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Where in the Bible does it say you can move with the times and disregard bits of it you just don't like any more?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I'm new

To me it's difficult to relate to a book (The Holy Bible) that tells me what I should think of other people.

The Bible doesn't tell you what YOU should think of other people.

It tells you what GOD thinks of other people.

You are free to think whatever you like. And you are free to face the consequences for so doing.

But to me all people are eaqual, and should be treated eaqually. It doesn't matter if they're black/white, homo/hetro, religeous/atheists.

That's nice. But as pointed out in the Amos scripture, and in other points in the Word, you should not associate with sinners and unbelievers unless you are in agreement with them. IN other words, a man is known by the company he keeps.

You choose to hang out with God-mockers and sodomites. That'd be fine if you were encouraging them to come to Jesus! But instead, you are telling them that their Hellbound deathstyle is fine and dandy. You're encouraging them on their path to unending torture.

Why do you hate atheists and homosexuals?

You say you have identified me, so who am I, then?

She gave you a link to Scripture which identifies you. Is it her fault you are too lazy to click it?

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

[Jacob L.]

Re: Hello, I'm new

The Bible doesn't tell you what YOU should think of other people.

It tells you what GOD thinks of other people.

You are free to think whatever you like. And you are free to face the consequences for so doing.


That's nice. But as pointed out in the Amos scripture, and in other points in the Word, you should not associate with sinners and unbelievers unless you are in agreement with them. IN other words, a man is known by the company he keeps.

You choose to hang out with God-mockers and sodomites. That'd be fine if you were encouraging them to come to Jesus! But instead, you are telling them that their Hellbound deathstyle is fine and dandy. You're encouraging them on their path to unending torture.

Why do you hate atheists and homosexuals?

She gave you a link to Scripture which identifies you. Is it her fault you are too lazy to click it?

Thanx for your reply. I really like parts of it since you're not just qouting the bible, you're putting your own interpitation in to the argument. I don't necesarrily agree with you. But nice to meet a more nuanced argumentation. I understand what you're trying to say to me. I guess I have a big problem then, since I'm not gonna change anything about my friends, I accept them as they are. I understand from your reply that it doesn't matter what I do. I try to live my life as a good person, teaching my kids how to treat other people with respect, and making them understand it's alright to be different. And even though I started believing, it wouldn't matter, cause I'd still hang on to my friends....I'm doomed!

I know she gave me a link. And I'm not to lazy to read it. But as I mentioned several times before, I'm interested in peoples argumentation and their interpitation on the matter. It's difficult having a conversation with people constantly hitting you in the head with quotes. Now your answer will be that GOD is always right. What about the freedom of thought? I have a hard time beliveing that all christian understand the Bible in the excact same way. And to me that points towards individual interpitation.

I hope you understand I'm not here to provoke. I'm simply trying to widen my horizon and trying to understand more about christianity.

Sincerely Jacob

[Jacob L.]

Re: Hello, I'm new

Where in the Bible does it say you can move with the times and disregard bits of it you just don't like any more?

I dont know, you know the Bible better than me, my guess would be nowhere. But even you accept certain development, I guess you even take them for granted? I can't be sure how you live your life, but my guess would be that you're a big part of the materialised world , like a lot of us, car, house, etc. But if GOD had wanted us to live the way we do now, wouldn't he just have created the world as the present? So in some ways you also chose thw things you can benefit from.