[Redeemed Papist]

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I dont know, you know the Bible better than me, my guess would be nowhere. But even you accept certain development, I guess you even take them for granted? I can't be sure how you live your life, but my guess would be that you're a big part of the materialised world , like a lot of us, car, house, etc. But if GOD had wanted us to live the way we do now, wouldn't he just have created the world as the present? So in some ways you also chose thw things you can benefit from.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Job 15:8 Hast thou heard the secret of God? and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Nice job trying to second guess God but Jesus wins again! And you thought you were being so original.

[Jacob L.]

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Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Job 15:8 Hast thou heard the secret of God? and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Nice job trying to second guess God but Jesus wins again! And you thought you were being so original.

Once again, great display of showing that you indeed are a champ reciting the Bible.
I resign, since you think debating is about winning and loosing! I can not continue argueing with you.
You just keep on posting quotes from the Bible, to me they are not arguments!
You concentrated on my second guessing GOD, actually it was a question to you, wether or not you are capable of making changes without GOD's direction.
The continous qouting the Bible, just show me that you're are not capable of having one single individual thought, and you believe that everything that is right or wrong are written in the Bible, to me there's one word for that...BRAINWASH!

[Alphonse Alban]

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debating is about winning and loosing! I can not continue argueing with you.
You just keep on posting quotes from the Bible, to me they are not arguments!

You are totally wrong. There is one side that is right and that is the side of God, so there is nothing to debate. Bible is 100% correct as it is word of God, so there is nothing to argue.

[Jacob L.]

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You are totally wrong. There is one side that is right and that is the side of God, so there is nothing to debate. Bible is 100% correct as it is word of God, so there is nothing to argue.

As I say, brainwash!
Must be comftorble to live in a world with shades. Always just using the same excuse and denying what is going on in the real world.
Being extreme is never good and it doesn't matter who/what it is. How do you cope with living in this world, you're surrounded by sin and sinners? It must be hard, or is it comfort enough to know that you chose the "right" way?

[Alphonse Alban]

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Being extreme is never good and it doesn't matter who/what it is.

I argee, that's why we are realists, not extremists.

[Youth Pastor Marty]

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As I say, brainwash!
Must be comftorble to live in a world with shades. Always just using the same excuse and denying what is going on in the real world.
Being extreme is never good and it doesn't matter who/what it is. How do you cope with living in this world, you're surrounded by sin and sinners? It must be hard, or is it comfort enough to know that you chose the "right" way?

It is comfortable to live in a world knowing the truth of God (and with gates around our Church). You scoff and reject it but God is not mocked. We are safe and sound in the knowlege that the souls of people like you will be tortured in Hell for all eternity.

You have proven yourself to be a foul, deceitful Sodomite and have no place amongst us!

[Redeemed Papist]

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The continous qouting the Bible, just show me that you're are not capable of having one single individual thought, and you believe that everything that is right or wrong are written in the Bible,

You're getting it. Does this mean your tiresome drivel is at an end?

[Jacob L.]

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I argee, that's why we are realists, not extremists.

ROFL. Brainwashed extremist with a sense of humor

[Jacob L.]

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It is comfortable to live in a world knowing the truth of God (and with gates around our Church). You scoff and reject it but God is not mocked. We are safe and sound in the knowlege that the souls of people like you will be tortured in Hell for all eternity.

You have proven yourself to be a foul, deceitful Sodomite and have no place amongst us!

I'm not that worried, since I don't really believe in life after death. But I'm glad for you, since you believe in it, that you've found your way into heaven.

A question how soon/late is it possible to convert to be able to go to heaven?
For instance if I lie on my deathbed and get scared of dying and scared of actually being tortured for ever, will that be to late? (I guess it will) What do you have to accomplish before being accepted in heaven?
Also I read something on the site, that you have to be an American to be accepted. If someone like me from Europe wanted to join your church, would that be impossible then?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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And even though I started believing, it wouldn't matter, cause I'd still hang on to my friends....I'm doomed!

If you started believing, you wouldn't 'hang on to your friends'. You would realize that they offend God. You would want your friends to join you in Heaven, instead of knowing that because you failed to help them see the Light of Jesus' Love, they would spend eternity in torment, being burned alive forever and ever in God's Lake of Fire.

Assuming you have any compassion, that is, or that you actually care about your friends enough to tell them what they need to hear.

Most people don't. They tell their friends what they want to hear. Why? Because they want their friends to be happy and to like them; they don't want to help their friends in a meaningful way. That could cost the lukewarm Christian some popularity!

That's the height of selfishness, allowing your friends to be tormented forever because you feared offending them or losing their friendship.

Now your answer will be that GOD is always right.

Well, by definition, He pretty much IS always right. Considering He defines what is right, and all . . .

What about the freedom of thought? I have a hard time beliveing that all christian understand the Bible in the excact same way. And to me that points towards individual interpitation.

Not really. The Bible is pretty clear-cut. Obey the commands and believe and love and worship Jesus, go to Heaven. Disobey the commands, or disbelieve, spend eternity here -->

I'm not that worried, since I don't really believe in life after death.

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A question how soon/late is it possible to convert to be able to go to heaven?

Why do you care, if you don't believe in life after death?

For instance if I lie on my deathbed and get scared of dying and scared of actually being tortured for ever, will that be to late? (I guess it will)

I'm glad you could answer your own question. A false conversion based in fear -- just SAYING you believe when you don't -- is no conversion. God knows what is in your heart.

What do you have to accomplish before being accepted in heaven?

See John 3:18 for a starting point. Then read the rest of the Bible and obey God's commands. They're not suggestions or recommendations, but Commands.

Also I read something on the site, that you have to be an American to be accepted. If someone like me from Europe wanted to join your church, would that be impossible then?

It would be quite a commute.

It's easier for Americans to become Christian because we have a support network here in this country. In Europistan, surrounded by atheists and muslims, it is much more difficult to even find a Bible, much less other Christians to worship with.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I'm not that worried, since I don't really believe in life after death.

It doesn't matter one bit what YOU believe in. God tells us that hell is a very real place, and YOU are going to spend eternity there unless you repent, and I mean now.

Hell is chock full of fools like you.

[Jacob L.]

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I'm glad you could answer your own question. A false conversion based in fear -- just SAYING you believe when you don't -- is no conversion. God knows what is in your heart.

I read this story on laststophell.com/hell

http://laststophell.com/hell/vision4.html

If I assume the story is true and he actually had that experience. It tells me that he found Jesus and he probably went to heaven when his life ended. Very nice and good for him, that he found something to calm him.
But I can not stop to think that telling a story like this, is a way of trying to install fear into people who are non-believers. In the same way that people in here are constantly trying to make me fear death, cause I'm gonna spend an eternity in hell. Fear is a very powerfull tool, that we humans use partly to get are points across but we also use it when there's something we don't understand. So instead of making an effort trying to understand it, we label it evil, and we get other people to join us, because we share the fear of the unknown. It's merely a way of protecting ourselfs from what we can not comprehend. In my point of view this goes for religion aswell.

It would be quite a commute.

It's easier for Americans to become Christian because we have a support network here in this country. In Europistan, surrounded by atheists and muslims, it is much more difficult to even find a Bible, much less other Christians to worship with.

Right, I'm not sure that our public transportation works that well over here.
Ok, you have a strong network in the United States of America or should I say United States from All over the world.
Through the history of your country, you've had a lot of immigration. Your population is widely founded on people coming from all over Europe, correct me if I'm wrong, but mainly Italy and Ireland. You also have a lot of immigrants from Asia, and of course alle the imported people from Africa. This means that you're populated by a lot of people with different backgrounds and different believes. So in what way does that differ from other parts of the world, like Europe for example?

Most people don't. They tell their friends what they want to hear. Why? Because they want their friends to be happy and to like them; they don't want to help their friends in a meaningful way. That could cost the lukewarm Christian some popularity!


That's the height of selfishness, allowing your friends to be tormented forever because you feared offending them or losing their friendship.

Don't we all? The way I see it, you're doing the excact same thing! You tell your friends what they want to hear, by cuoting the Bible, so that you won't be excluded. You wouldn't have the guts to tell them different, if you were ever in doubt!

[Jacob L.]

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It doesn't matter one bit what YOU believe in. God tells us that hell is a very real place, and YOU are going to spend eternity there unless you repent, and I mean now.

Hell is chock full of fools like you.

Well I'll probably have to get used to it, since these "fools" are the ones I can relate to at the moment.
From your icons I can see that you take joy in your believe that I (and others) are going to hell. Shouldn't you as a good christian try to save the lost souls? Mocking has never been a motivating tool, as I see it.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Jacob,

Once again you seem incapable of realising that we make no apology for preaching from the Bible. God wants you to be afraid of Him and Jesus tells you to be afraid of God. You're supposed to live your life constantly tortured with fear of offending God by breaking His commandments and the very real possibility of going to Hell.

We make no apology for this. Would you rather we lied to you and said it was OK and God was just kidding when He said if you don't believe deep in your heart because He can see your thoughts you will burn?

When you finally realise the Truth you are going to feel so silly for all your little rants to us.
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[Jacob L.]

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Why do you keep answering me? I thought you were so sick and tired of me, so why do you bother reading my posts?

Why would I want you to appologies? You have nothing to appologies for, what you believe is your business, whatever makes you happy. I'm just a curious soul, trying to understand the ways you're thinking and seeing the world.