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Default God says: Women ARE OBJECTS and they should be treated as such - 11-09-2018, 02:44 PM

Hello Brothers (and sisters, yes),

In this days of discomfort, regardless the tremendous success of Donald Trump in everything he does, we are still far far away from being, as human race, as godlier as we should be.

Who is to blame? Well, many people, most of them. But specially feminazis, liberals and all of those homosexuals who changed the KJV for the SJW Bible.

One of the points that really gets me angry is when I hear the cliche "women are not objects" "women should be treated equally". The purpose of this thread is to shed some light to finish with this myth of “patriarchy” being something wrong.



First point: Are women objects?

Short answer: YES. For a deeper view, keep reading.

What is an object? The most common definition is "a material thing that can be seen and touched". Can we see women and touch them? YES, WE CAN. So there it is, our first step.

Of course, you can see and touch men. But it is a sin (touching them, the sin of faggotry, see Leviticus18:22)

We cannot take this as the final answer. Because we are Christians, we find answers in the Bible. What does the Bible have to say about women being objects?

Well, the Bible helps to put a price on this object. As every object, women have a price according to the qualities they have, or do not have.

The quality of the woman seems to be their “virtuosity”. See:

Proverbs 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

So a virtuous women is very much appreciated, as she (it?) has a lot of value. Over rubies, it says. Fine quality rubies are some of the most expensive gems, with record prices over $100,000 per carat.

And what happens when women lose their good qualities?

Well, the Bible gives a hint on value drop in case of damaged goods:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


From $100.000 per carat to 50 shekels, for sure virtuosity is a real treasure! Keep it, women! Do not give it away until you find a good husband.




Second point: should they be treated as equals?

Short answer: NO. For a more in depth understanding, keep reading.

This is short. The head of the house is the man, and shut up woman. That is what the Bible says:

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Short and simple: not equal, women are employees of their husbands, but with no payment, but gracefully accepting their place on society.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

About the part of asking the husband at home, let me add: unless there is a football game on TV, in that case please at least wait for the commercial break. And bring a beer with you, for him.




Third point: should we love our wives?

Short answer: NO. For more into this topic, keep reading.

Well, should we love objects? Objects are Earthly things. As much as we “love” our guns, or our money, we know we do not really “love” them, it is a figure of speech. We only love God. As we should:

1 John Chapter 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

The Bible speaks for itself: we should not LOVE things that are in the world. As women are objects, with a price (and a high one if they are VIRGINS!) we should not love them. That would make as greedy and would put us far away from our Lord.

Keep a wife, have sex for reproduction, talk to them when they did not understand something at Church, eat what they prepare. Keep them from evil. This is our duty with the lesser gender.

A brief final digression:
This applies ONLY to Christian men and women. Unsaved thrash have no value whatsoever regardless of their gender.







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Default Re: God says: Women ARE OBJECTS and they should be treated as such - 11-09-2018, 04:14 PM

Hello Brother Gonzalez. I want to say as a young woman that I am appalled that feminist groups exist. It seems every day that there are women requesting to have equal rights as men even though they want special treatment. Look at the US draft. Women complain about wanting to be equal but nearly through a tizzy when Congress in 2017 wanted them to be required to sign up for the draft just like men. Women are in a tizzy because they want their precious baby killing clinics. Are there any special clinics for men? NO! I've learned thanks to my Sunday school teacher and my Pa that as a female I need to learn to shut up and follow orders. Why should women be allowed to think they can solely shape the Supreme Court? Newsflash! It's Trump's job! Not yours! Leave Kavanaugh alone even if he is a Cathlicker. God has already given us women the most important responsibility which is to stay home and watch the kids while the man provides. Proverbs 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. To all the women out there, shut up and stay out of politics. I apologize if I sound like I'm bleeding out of my wherever but I know my place and so should other women.


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Default Re: God says: Women ARE OBJECTS and they should be treated as such - 11-10-2018, 12:37 AM

Of course, my husband treats me like any of his other possessions! I don't understand why there are women out there who think they are special and should be treated that way. I'm here for my husband to have children with, and to take care of his needs while he's out providing for us. It's that simple.


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My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him. He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence;
I shall not be moved. In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.
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Default Re: God says: Women ARE OBJECTS and they should be treated as such - 11-10-2018, 03:41 AM

WOMEN ARE NOT OBJECTS
MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL

If you don't believe this then you can answer to God and He will judge you for your disobedience. Because the Bible NEVER says that women are inferior to men!!!!

And Deborah is a perfect example of a strong woman in the Bible. In Genesis 1:26-27 we read that God created both men AND women in His image. In creation, God refers to when he creates woman as a “helper”. In the Bible the word “helper” is described God as His people’s rescuer, strength or might. We eve see the Holy Spirit being referred to as our “helper” in John 14: 26, “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.” The Holy Spirit is God and if God uses the same word to reference the Holy Spirit, women must be important to Him. So, the word “helper” emphasizes equality. Nothing in Genesis grants men status over women, in fact it emphasizes equality. In Genesis 2:24, mother and father are identified without hierarchal distinction and I marriage, they are united as one flesh. All these things of me ruling over women is a result of the fall and because of sin. Because of the fall, men have used this to treat women poorly. But Genesis 3:15 says that the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) would crush the serpants head with His heel and has overcome the fall. This we should resist the consequences of the fall.

In the Old testament we see the Prophetess Miriam who was sent by God to “lead” (Mic 6:4). Back to Deborah who was the highest leader of Isreael. She was also a mother and wife. She had authority of Barrak who was Isreael’s military commander. We also see Queen Ester, who brought about the distruction of the house Hamen, along with others. But we also see Queen Jesebel who was a wicked ruler, along with many of the Kings of Isreael. But never once does it criticize a woman as leader.

Looking at the New Testament, we see in Romans 16:1-6 Paul greets ten people who he identifies as colleagues in Christian ministry and seven of them are women. We see Phoebe who is a deacon and six others who are commended for their service for the Lord.

Looking at 1 Corinthians
2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt youbecause of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

This passage is self explanatory as we see the same expectations given to both men and women in a marriage relationship.
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WOMEN ARE NOT OBJECTS
MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL
If you don't believe this then you can answer to God and He will judge you for your disobedience. Because the Bible NEVER says that women are inferior to men!!!!
Goodness, we have so many people showing up here who read but do not understand the Bible. Did you happen to notice the Bible talks in many places about sin? And, did you notice sin keeps one out of heaven and in hell forever? Everything in the Bible comes back to sin.

And, why is there sin? Because of Eve, that's why. Eve caused Adam to sin. The Bible itself teaches us women are the cause of sin and serve but one purpose, giving us sons.

You have obviously read some of the Bible but you lack the ability to understand it. Stay with us here at Landover Baptist and we can help you.


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Goodness, we have so many people showing up here who read but do not understand the Bible. Did you happen to notice the Bible talks in many places about sin? And, did you notice sin keeps one out of heaven and in hell forever? Everything in the Bible comes back to sin.

And, why is there sin? Because of Eve, that's why. Eve caused Adam to sin. The Bible itself teaches us women are the cause of sin and serve but one purpose, giving us sons.

You have obviously read some of the Bible but you lack the ability to understand it. Stay with us here at Landover Baptist and we can help you.
Have you read the book of Judges my friend. Have you heard of the Judge Deborah. She was the leader of the Israelite's, commanding men (including the military leader). If women are only meant to give birth to sons, why would God choose a woman to lead His people? Friend, God cannot sin. His ways are perfect! Clearly you do not understand the Bible or have not read it.
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WOMEN ARE NOT OBJECTS
MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START READING THE BIBLE?

I apologize for shouting, but I'm really growing tired of you inisiting on ignoring the INERRANT WORD OF GOD.

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Because the Bible NEVER says that women are inferior to men!!!!
That, sweetie, is a LIE.

Read the verses provided by Brother Gonzalez.

And here's another.

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

That shows you that women were created inferior from the getgo. We are mere help meets. Sidekicks. Servants. Keep reading in Genesis:

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

That's what God says to Eve. And that applies to all women, as clearly explained by Scripture cited by Brother Gonzalez. READ IT.

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And Deborah is a perfect example of a strong woman in the Bible.
So what? An exception which confirms the rule.

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In Genesis 1:26-27 we read that God created both men AND women in His image.
WRONG. Read it again. Carefully this time. God created "him" (Adam) in His image, not "them."

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In creation, God refers to when he creates woman as a “helper”. In the Bible the word “helper” is described God as His people’s rescuer, strength or might. We eve see the Holy Spirit being referred to as our “helper” in John 14: 26, “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
Still, this Helper is being sent by God Father. Hence inferior to God Father. Hence something less then God Who commands Him.

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Nothing in Genesis grants men status over women, in fact it emphasizes equality.
Bullcrap. In Genesis, only male descendants of Adam are named. Not daughters. We know Adam had daughters, but as females, they were unimportant and hence needed not have their names recorded by history. Or maybe they even didn't have names at all.

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In Genesis 2:24, mother and father are identified without hierarchal distinction and I marriage, they are united as one flesh. All these things of me ruling over women is a result of the fall and because of sin. Because of the fall, men have used this to treat women poorly. But Genesis 3:15 says that the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) would crush the serpants head with His heel and has overcome the fall. This we should resist the consequences of the fall.
So what? Read the verses from Corinthans and Ephesians cited by Brother Gonzalez. Where is that equality which, according to you, should reappear after Jesus' death and resurrection?

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This passage is self explanatory as we see the same expectations given to both men and women in a marriage relationship.
Keep reading all the way to the verses cited by Brother Gonzalez.
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This word of thanks to the Lord for his mysterious plan regarding the vocation and mission of women in the world is at the same time a concrete and direct word of thanks to women, to every woman, for all that they represent in the life of humanity.
Thank you, women who are mothers! You have sheltered human beings within yourselves in a unique experience of joy and travail. This experience makes you become God's own smile upon the newborn child, the one who guides your child's first steps, who helps it to grow, and who is the anchor as the child makes its way along the journey of life.
Thank you, women who are wives! You irrevocably join your future to that of your husbands, in a relationship of mutual giving, at the service of love and life.
Thank you, women who are daughters and women who are sisters! Into the heart of the family, and then of all society, you bring the richness of your sensitivity, your intuitiveness, your generosity and fidelity.
Thank you, women who work! You are present and active in every area of life-social, economic, cultural, artistic and political. In this way you make an indispensable contribution to the growth of a culture which unites reason and feeling, to a model of life ever open to the sense of "mystery", to the establishment of economic and political structures ever more worthy of humanity.
Thank you, consecrated women! Following the example of the greatest of women, the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Word, you open yourselves with obedience and fidelity to the gift of God's love. You help the Church and all mankind to experience a "spousal" relationship to God, one which magnificently expresses the fellowship which God wishes to establish with his creatures.
Thank you, every woman, for the simple fact of being a woman! Through the insight which is so much a part of your womanhood you enrich the world's understanding and help to make human relations more honest and authentic.

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I can not answer you with the message you wrote to me by private mail, so I'll answer you here. I confess, I was shocked by your response, not the place here because it was really shocking and hurt me. I do not do any propaganda, I only try to dialogue with people who have a different point of view from mine. Even if you have insulted me, I do not insult you because Jesus gave me a teaching of love and not of hatred. Greetings sister, I hope we can become friends, you already are mine.
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I can not answer you with the message you wrote to me by private mail, so I'll answer you here. I confess, I was shocked by your response, not the place here because it was really shocking and hurt me. I do not do any propaganda, I only try to dialogue with people who have a different point of view from mine. Even if you have insulted me, I do not insult you because Jesus gave me a teaching of love and not of hatred. Greetings sister, I hope we can become friends, you already are mine.
Well, then, hello and to our forum. The reason I gave you an infraction is because here at Landover we adhere to the Word of God as written in the Holy Bible. Catholic church is most known for ignoring the Word of God and making up whatever the hell they want.

Hence, if you come here armed with what some pope said, rather than with what God said, there will be no dialogue. We simply have nothing in common to discuss.


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But also for the Catholic Church the Bible is of fundamental importance.
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Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity. I don't know why you'd cite the ravings of some pope. Although children are transferred to their mothers for a short time they've been "sheltered" for much longer in their fathers loins. God is explicit on this:

Hebrews 7:5-11 They that are of the sons of Levi..have a commandment to take.tithes of the people according to the law..But he whose descent is not counted from them received.tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also..payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood..what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Perhaps you'd care to look up how many generations there were between Abraham and Levi?
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Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity. I don't know why you'd cite the ravings of some pope.
I think these phrases are a bit of clichés, because our faith is based on faith in God, as it is for Baptists for example. Of course, there are many differences, but I believe that as Christians we should not fall into the trap of the devil who wants hate and division, but look for the things that unite us. May the Lord bless you, sister.
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This word of thanks to the Lord for his mysterious plan regarding the vocation and mission of women in the world is at the same time a concrete and direct word of thanks to women, to every woman, for all that they represent in the life of humanity.
Thank you, women who are mothers! You have sheltered human beings within yourselves in a unique experience of joy and travail. This experience makes you become God's own smile upon the newborn child, the one who guides your child's first steps, who helps it to grow, and who is the anchor as the child makes its way along the journey of life.
Thank you, women who are wives! You irrevocably join your future to that of your husbands, in a relationship of mutual giving, at the service of love and life.
Thank you, women who are daughters and women who are sisters! Into the heart of the family, and then of all society, you bring the richness of your sensitivity, your intuitiveness, your generosity and fidelity.
Thank you, women who work! You are present and active in every area of life-social, economic, cultural, artistic and political. In this way you make an indispensable contribution to the growth of a culture which unites reason and feeling, to a model of life ever open to the sense of "mystery", to the establishment of economic and political structures ever more worthy of humanity.
Thank you, consecrated women! Following the example of the greatest of women, the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Word, you open yourselves with obedience and fidelity to the gift of God's love. You help the Church and all mankind to experience a "spousal" relationship to God, one which magnificently expresses the fellowship which God wishes to establish with his creatures.
Thank you, every woman, for the simple fact of being a woman! Through the insight which is so much a part of your womanhood you enrich the world's understanding and help to make human relations more honest and authentic.

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WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START READING THE BIBLE?

I apologize for shouting, but I'm really growing tired of you inisiting on ignoring the INERRANT WORD OF GOD.
It is very easy to read the Bible, it's understanding it is where you are running into trouble my friend.

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Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
As I explained earlier. The same word "helper" is used when describing the Holy Spirit in John 14:16. I hope you believe in the trinity as God the Father and the Holy Spirit are the same. Using the word "help" to describe women only emphasizes equality.

You also said that God created man in His image. Here He is referering to mankind if you read the whole verse (especially verse 27) we see the following: "27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

Also your comment on Adam's descendants means nothing! If men's names were only chosen to be documented, who cares. That has nothing to do with equality. And anyways, there are women named in other accounts. Like Ruth and Rahab.

Now looking at Ephesians. Yes, in the home men and women have different roles. This has nothing to do with equality. and if we reed the rest of Ephesians 5: " Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—" Here we see that Husbands are suppose to love their wives as they love themselves. To me this sounds like men should treat their wives how they want to be treated, which implies equality. Please it is important to read the whole passage before making conclusions.

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So what? An exception which confirms the rule.
I am very confused at how Deborah confirms the rule. She was the leader of the Israelites and their military male commander. She was a mother and a wife. So please explain to me how your opinion on the inequality of men and women supports this? You never explained this, I am assuming because you cannot. I am very confused.
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It is very easy to read the Bible, it's understanding it is where you are running into trouble my friend.
Are you suggesting that God is so evil, that He made The Life Instruction Manual something that is difficult to understand? That is a strange accusation, dear!

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As I explained earlier. The same word "helper" is used when describing the Holy Spirit in John 14:16. I hope you believe in the trinity as God the Father and the Holy Spirit are the same. Using the word "help" to describe women only emphasizes equality.
No it does not. God Father sends the Holy Spirit, right? That means God Father has the authority to rule over what the Holy Spirit does, right?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but in my understanding, when you have a situation in which individual A orders individual B to perform a task, that implies existence of hierarchy, not equality.

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You also said that God created man in His image. Here He is referering to mankind if you read the whole verse (especially verse 27) we see the following: "27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."
Precisely. The first part of the verse informs us that God created man (Adam) in His image. The second part of the verse (after the semicolon) informs us that God created individuals of both sexes. It does not say that woman was created in God's image. Otherwise, we would not call God Father, but something like Father/Mother Figure or something. God is a male and He created males in His image. Women, as detailed in the second chapter of Genesis, are an afterthought, created solely because Adam felt lonely.

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Also your comment on Adam's descendants means nothing! If men's names were only chosen to be documented, who cares. That has nothing to do with equality.
It has everything to do with equality, or more specifically, lack thereof. It shows you that the writers of the Holy Bible, who were inspired by God, felt that women were insignificant.

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And anyways, there are women named in other accounts. Like Ruth and Rahab.
Regarding Ruth, did you notice that she was property to be bought and sold?

Ruth 4:9-10
9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.
10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.


If you read closely, other women of the Bible were also traded. Unless they were raped like Tamar, becoming damaged goods.

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Now looking at Ephesians. Yes, in the home men and women have different roles. This has nothing to do with equality.
Maybe because there is no equality. Keep reading:

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


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and if we reed the rest of Ephesians 5: " Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church
Love. Nothing to do with equality. I love animals, but I don't see them as my equals.

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I am very confused at how Deborah confirms the rule. She was the leader of the Israelites and their military male commander. She was a mother and a wife. So please explain to me how your opinion on the inequality of men and women supports this?
Because she is the only one. Among countless males in this position. That means women and men were measured with different sticks, just like today. Because of the Biblical stance on women, even today, it is easier for a man to become a CEO or president, because everybody doubts that a woman can do the job (even fellow women).
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I think these phrases are a bit of clichés, because our faith is based on faith in God, as it is for Baptists for example. Of course, there are many differences, but I believe that as Christians we should not fall into the trap of the devil who wants hate and division, but look for the things that unite us. May the Lord bless you, sister.
No it isn't. Faith in God means accepting what He says as valid and true. Faith in God means doing what He commands because what He commands is essential for Salvation.

Of course you may be referring to a false "god" as God. Something like Astarte or one of those elephants with multiple arms in which case a statue would be inevitable. Christians do not make such abominations because we have faith in God.

While you're looking up dates (for Levi and Melchisedec) perhaps you could find one for Deborah? If referring to Judges 4 perhaps you could check out verse 6.? The Israelites did have a leader but it was not Deborah. Still in chapter 4, you can discover who was leading the military in verse 10. Elsewhere in Judges, for example Judges 21:25 where I've included the cross-references for you, their administrative situation is spelled out.

The next thing for you to look up is a date for King Saul. Perhaps while doing that you'll glean what God's opinion was about having leaders other than Himself. It's very clearly stated. In the meantime to get you started here are some references which may be helpful.

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No it isn't. Faith in God means accepting what He says as valid and true. Faith in God means doing what He commands because what He commands is essential for Salvation.
Hebrews 11:1 - "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Yes, faith is accepting what God says as true and valid. It is also accepting things we may not understand or see. What is your point here??

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While you're looking up dates (for Levi and Melchisedec) perhaps you could find one for Deborah? If referring to Judges 4 perhaps you could check out verse 6.? The Israelites did have a leader but it was not Deborah. Still in chapter 4, you can discover who was leading the military in verse 10. Elsewhere in Judges, for example Judges 21:25 where I've included the cross-references for you, their administrative situation is spelled out.
If you read the book of Judges, you would understand that Deborah was clearly leading the people of Isreal during this time in Israel's history. This is what we read in Judges 4:4, "Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading[a] Israel at that time." Here the text is straight forward. The Bible says that Deborah was leading the Israel. We also read in Judges 4:6, "She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, “The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead them up to Mount Tabor." Here we see Deborah summoning Barak who is a man and the leader of Israel military and she commanded him to take ten thousand men and lead them up to Mount Tabor. Clearly we see that Deborah had authority of Barak and clearly we see that she was the leader of Israel. There is no denying this.
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Are you suggesting that God is so evil, that He made The Life Instruction Manual something that is difficult to understand? That is a strange accusation, dear!

No it does not. God Father sends the Holy Spirit, right? That means God Father has the authority to rule over what the Holy Spirit does, right?
The Bible talks about "mysteries" and these are things that our human minds cannot comprehend or things that have not been revealed to us. If you read the Bible you will understand this. Job 11:7-8, “Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? 8 They are higher than the heavens above—what can you do? They are deeper than the depths below—what can you know? "

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Precisely. The first part of the verse informs us that God created man (Adam) in His image. The second part of the verse (after the semicolon) informs us that God created individuals of both sexes. It does not say that woman was created in God's image. Otherwise, we would not call God Father, but something like Father/Mother Figure or something. God is a male and He created males in His image. Women, as detailed in the second chapter of Genesis, are an afterthought, created solely because Adam felt lonely.
If we understand basic English, one would know that the Bible is referring to mankind when it says that man was created in the image of God. We read this in Genesis 5:1-2, "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Here we see that he called male and female Adam, referring to mankind.

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Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


Love. Nothing to do with equality. I love animals, but I don't see them as my equals.

Because she is the only one. Among countless males in this position. That means women and men were measured with different sticks, just like today. Because of the Biblical stance on women, even today, it is easier for a man to become a CEO or president, because everybody doubts that a woman can do the job (even fellow women).
Love has every thing to do with it. Husbands are suppose to love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave His life for the Church. This kind of Agape love is not the same kind of love as you are implying. If men are suppose to love their wives as Christ loved the Church, how much should men sacrifice themselves for their wives as Christ sacrificed Himself. It is a two way relationship. As the Bible says the two become one flesh. If they become one flesh, does this not imply equality if they are viewed as one.
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