[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

So in other words, The Bible is true because the Bible says its true. Do you realize how this kind of logic doesnt work because its in circles? If this is the case why not believe in Jedis? All the Star Wars movies explicitly explain that these stories happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. What gives the Bible more merit than Harry Potter? Shouldnt a smart God provide more proof than a story book? Why cant he show himself? He seemed to do it constantly 2000 years ago. Is he on a break? Why the inquisition? Its almost like someone trying to sell you a car except your not allowed to test drive it. You just have to hope the car works.

I'm glad that you admit that God revealed Himself 2000 years ago. Yet you insist on denying Him. This proves my point: that you are an atheist.

Why would a God punish those who are concerned with minute details or formalisms in teaching? Why does he insist that questioning his motives is such an evil crime? How does God justify infinite torture with finite transgression? Because the people who wrote the Bible came up with a genious marketing scheme in order to enforce their own opinions on their current life style, and people stupid enough to believe it without question will by in to it out of fear in order to condition themselves into thinking that they will be in a better place after they die.

When you pick a man's pocket (like you atheists are known to do from time to time), you don't sin against the man. Not at all. In fact, he is supposed to just forgive you and offer you the shirt off his back. The one you sin against is God. Since God is infinitely perfect, sinning against Him entails infinite guilt and therefore infinite punishment. But if you don't assume God wrote the Bible, you would have no reason to believe this. It figures you would think that people should resist crime and be punished finitely. Since you hate God.

Look at history and how it repeats. Again and again a provable scientific claim is made and again and again the church disputes it and brands them a blasphemer, and again and again the church has had to yield and change its ways. Religious views are inconsistent hypocritical and illogical. Usually the ones who are labeled blasphemers end up being praised in the future as wise and truthful: Galileo, Copernicus, and even Jesus!

So? I don't see your point. Satan has been lying throughout history. So what? Satan put history there to deceive you and contradict the Bible. Isn't that obvious, when you assume that God wrote the King James Bible? It's so easy to stay out of Hell, yet you insist on going, and dragging others down with you. It is really sad.

If the Bible holds truth why doesnt it explain condensation or evaporation? Arent these important? Why doesnt it tell us the earth is round? Why doesnt it tell us about gene mutation and how DNA works? Because the people who wrote the Bible didnt know it at the time, if they looked up to a higher power, the views the Bible holds wouldnt be so primitive.

Why doesn't the Bible contain contradictions and lies written by Satan? I think you are running out of nonsense to spew!

Exodus 31:15 - "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

I read an argument on this forums saying that if Christianity is so primitive why is the greatest country on earth 70-80% Christian? A good question, but do you think 70% of the American population would abide by the above verse?

Those people are false Christians. But we are still the MOST Christian nation on Earth.

You people boast about following every word of the Bible as oppose to other religion. Congratulations, you are all cold blooded murderers.

So what religion should we follow? Your atheist religion?

[PurpleHelmet]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Why do the heathens always look to fictions to explain their world view
I dont know you tell me, your the expert on fiction. How can you not see the hypocrisy of your statement?
that God is not real? It's like they think Jedis and so on are not real so God is not real.

Nobody is claiming Jedis are real (even the most obsessed of the "Trekkies" don't claim that). It's a false dichotomy. I look at a real tree then say it can't be a real tree because over there is a fake plastic tree therefore all trees are plastic is the sort of logic. It doesn't make sense.

I never said Jedis are real either. Quite the opposite really. I merely suggested that God is no more real than Luke Skywalker, how can you miss this point entirely? No wonder you follow one of the worlds most primitive comic book, you have the reading and comprehension skills of a 5th grader
They really are quite determined to stick to their warped world view despite all the evidence.By evidence do you mean transitionary fossils? Or a 200o year old story book?

Lets take the story of the Tower of Bable by any chance. God is impotent. Why? because today we have skyscrapers taller than anything humans were capable of building in the past. They werent aware of architecture and geometry as much as we are now.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Lets take the story of the Tower of Bable by any chance. God is impotent. Why? because today we have skyscrapers taller than anything humans were capable of building in the past. They werent aware of architecture and geometry as much as we are now.

What are you on about? That's a total non sequitur from start to finish. If that's the best you can do when faced with the majesty of God's word I'd call it game set and match to God. God keeps it simple, thankfully.

Revelation 1:12-16
12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

You see! How can you argue with the fact that one day you will be dragged out of the ground and resurrected to face His glory and then killed again for good and cast into the fire if you were evil like you are now before you died.

Revelation 20:11-15
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Are you in the book of life, friend? I think not.

[PurpleHelmet]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I'm glad that you admit that God revealed Himself 2000 years ago. Yet you insist on denying Him. This proves my point: that you are an atheist.

When you pick a man's pocket (like you atheists are known to do from time to time), you don't sin against the man. Not at all. In fact, he is supposed to just forgive you and offer you the shirt off his back. The one you sin against is God. Since God is infinitely perfect, sinning against Him entails infinite guilt and therefore infinite punishment. But if you don't assume God wrote the Bible, you would have no reason to believe this. It figures you would think that people should resist crime and be punished finitely. Since you hate God.

I dont hate God, he doesnt exist, but if he did i would hate him. Hes an evil sadistic tyrannical psychopath who hate homosexuals, condones, slavery, and represses women. I would rather spend time in hell than stand beside someone as evil as God. And to generalize all atheists is silly. Bill Gates and Steven Hawking are Aethiests and they donate billions of dollars to charity. How much have you donated?

So? I don't see your point. Satan has been lying throughout history. So what? Satan put history there to deceive you and contradict the Bible. Isn't that obvious, when you assume that God wrote the King James Bible? It's so easy to stay out of Hell, yet you insist on going, and dragging others down with you. It is really sad.

And the false presumption that Satan even exists and is currently manipulating historians is based on nothing but blind conditioning.

Why doesn't the Bible contain contradictions and lies written by Satan? I think you are running out of nonsense to spew!

God is viewed as all powerful, onmipotent and benevolent, yet murders by the millions in cold blood. He is viewed as forgiving but jealous and hateful, (very ungod like btw), he is said to know the outcome of everything but gives us free will. All of these are paradoxes.
Those people are false Christians. But we are still the MOST Christian nation on Earth.
That isnt something to be proud of.
So what religion should we follow? Your atheist religion?

Atheism isnt a religion. Theism is a belief in some higher power. Atheism is non belief. There are no rituals, bigotry, or damning to be done. There are no cult gatherings or obligatory sacrifices. Atheism goes a step further than Christianity and puts you in the same group as the bat shit crazy Xenu worshiping celebrities.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Atheism isnt a religion. Theism is a belief in some higher power. Atheism is non belief. There are no rituals, bigotry, or damning to be done. There are no cult gatherings or obligatory sacrifices. Atheism goes a step further than Christianity and puts you in the same group as the bat shit crazy Xenu worshiping celebrities.

Atheism is a religion, and its practices include anal sex and the slaughter of infants. Atheists practice witchcraft and divine by human entrails. They worship trees and mud and have sex with animals.

I know that you atheists haven't a shred of honesty, and that is why you lie about these practices.

After all, you don't believe in God, because you hate Him. So it figures that you would commit all of these abominations.

It makes me giggle thinking of all the just reciprocity you will endure for all eternity in Hell for these crimes.

[PurpleHelmet]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Bill gates has a wife and kids. Many heterosexuals are athiest. Dont you think its a little ignorant to generalize a large demographic of people. Thats a little on Christian dont you think? Wasnt it God you sacrificed first born children, turned cities to ash, gave people cancer and blindless, flooded the world and plans to destroy the world again. All the things you accuse Aethiests have been done by the God you worship.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

...Thats a little on Christian dont you think?...

As you've shown no understanding of the Holey Bible or True Christianity(tm), where do you get off judging other's behaviours as Christian or not?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Atheism isnt a religion. Theism is a belief in some higher power. Atheism is non belief. There are no rituals, bigotry, or damning to be done. There are no cult gatherings or obligatory sacrifices. Atheism goes a step further than Christianity and puts you in the same group as the bat shit crazy Xenu worshiping celebrities.

So you don't believe in evolution or the big bang?

Try typing 'atheist convention' into google and see what comes up. If it's 'non belief' what do they talk about?

YIC

Jack

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Lets take the story of the Tower of Bable by any chance. God is impotent. Why? because today we have skyscrapers taller than anything humans were capable of building in the past. They werent aware of architecture and geometry as much as we are now.

Wrong!

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.


The Tower of Bable would have dwarfed the skyscrapers we built today. God hasn't been angry enough to come down again to give us even more languages so the Babel tower MUST have been taller.

YIC

Jack

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

If this is the case why not believe in Jedis?

Because Jedis are not mentioned in the Bible. They are fake..

That was very encouraging Mr Open. With "jedi" the fastest growing belief system in the world today (or at least when the last census figures were collected) it must be confusing for the agenda-educated school leaver.

What may be worshipped (= just one God i.e. the three Persons of The Trinity) is presented in The Bible, by God Himself. The many things that may not be worshipped (= everything else) make up a very long list comprising absolutely everything that exists. Sun. Moon. Each grain of sand. Each and every penguin. Etc., etc. In telling us what MUST be worshipped to the exclusion of everything else is sufficient for us to know that what is NOT MENTIONED in The Bible must not be worshipped.

Science is slightly different. Some of the tenets of modern science ARE described by God in The Bible, and we know they're true. Just because God didn't tell us how to make a jet engine does not mean it's wrong to do so. Different designs were tried out and yes, they work! The science is therefore real science.

But when bizarre theories such as a 17¾ billion year old "universe" or the statistical impossibility of "evolution" are proposed they DIRECTLY CONTRADICT God's Inerrant Word and we know they are FALSE. No experimentation is necessary.

Look at history and how it repeats.

No it doesn't. Jet turbines are modern: none were built before their invention. Pyramids are ancient. None have been built since.

Again and again a provable scientific claim is made and again and again the church disputes it and brands them a blasphemer, and again and again the church has had to yield and change its ways.

We know that science CONTRADICTING The Bible is false. Obviously it cannot be "proved" true. Any proof would be fallacious.
Science which confirms the Biblical account is of course true science - but concerning things NOT mentioned in The Bible we are left to our own devices. God would have known all about evaporation but that doesn't mean it's important for us to know. As it happens we have come up with a few theories and they can be tested I suppose.

Job 36:27 For hee maketh small the drops of water: they powre downe raine according to the vapour thereof:
©1611

As you can see, it's not a particularly new idea.

If the Bible holds truth why doesnt it explain condensation or evaporation?

(Oh. You can't see.)

So what we DO know is that turbines or pyramids may be built but that they must not be WORSHIPPED. God does not specifically say that we mustn't carve a wooden turbine and worship it BUT WHAT HE DOES SAY is very, very clear (unless you're a catholic).

God says:



Murder is a type of unlawful killing. The Bible is clear about that. A COMMANDMENT from God is not unlawful and when He commands that heathens and idolators and non-virgin children are to be killed you can be sure that there is a very good reason. Many millions have been killed by God or by His obedient servants and Jesus will be moving the total into the billions quite soon (that means within one generation from the reestablishment of Israel as a nation).

That is how we know He is real.

Hallelujah!

[tyler the earthworm]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Murder is a type of unlawful killing. The Bible is clear about that. A COMMANDMENT from God is not unlawful and when He commands that heathens and idolators and non-virgin children are to be killed you can be sure that there is a very good reason. Many millions have been killed by God or by His obedient servants and Jesus will be moving the total into the billions quite soon (that means within one generation from the reestablishment of Israel as a nation).

(That is how we know He is real.)



how does that mean he is real the killings are done by stupid people who eather want to kill or are just to dume to know what they are doing, you left out the cresades the killing of thosands of innocent people all because of greed that is the only reasion people kill for your god

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

how does that mean he is real the killings are done by stupid people who eather want to kill or are just to dume to know what they are doing, you left out the cresades the killing of thosands of innocent people all because of greed that is the only reasion people kill for your god

Three points.

1.The Crusades were run by the Catholic Church. Just in case you missed this painfully, blatantly obvious, you would have to be willful blind to miss it point we TRUE Christians(tm) are Baptist, not Catholics and there is a huge differences (like that Pope thing) Yes, both groups view Jesus as the God Himself incarnate on earth but that's were it end. What's next, you are going tell us we are just like the Church of Later Day Saints?

2. Which Crusade are you talking about? The First Crusade that captured Jerusalem, the Forth Crusade that was redirected by the Republic of Venice against the Byzantine Empire, the Albigensian Crusade that was fought in southern France? By in large the people who ran them were doing it out of power politics, the people who fought in them did it as an act of faith. If it was just greed they would have done what the Germans did in the First Crusade and attack the local Jews and saved themselves self the two year walk to Jerusalem.

3. I don't not think it's possible for a human to be more ignorant and inarticulate than you. Why are you wasting our time with your stupidly?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Thank you Mr Tabor for pointing that out. I am trying out one of those text-to-voice thingys this morning to see what it's like for those ½-baked types who get on here and seem to have read the words in a post but have no idea what they mean. It did work (sort of) but when it gurgled "the Grusades were rum by the gavel ick chur" I got such a start that I pulled the meat out from my breakfast bbq and hot sausage juice went all on my legs. When the pope orders a crusade, that is an order from satan and any deaths would be murder, as you pointed out.

Crawling around on the floor of my outdoor dining area mopping up the olive oil and sausages I was struck by a terrible image of all the poor souls who relied on the anti-Biblical teachings of the vatican, such as once a crusade has been declared then all sins past and future are forgiven for anyone who takes part. The result was wholescale butchery based on hate, greed and lust. How dreadful it must be to live in the clutches of evil.

how does that mean he is real the killings are done by stupid people who eather want to kill or are just to dume to know what they are doing..

Although that is a very good description of the epileptic-psycho worshipping jihadist meathead who (although very stupid) does know what he's doing, longs to kill and rape and has cooked up a lunatic belief system based on "the will of Allah" it is very far from The Truth of God's Perfect Love and closer to (if not identical with) the wretched corpse of 1st century Judaism, described here by Jesus:

MATTHEW 21
43 Therefore say I vnto you, the kingdome of God shall be taken from you, and giuen to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoeuer shall fall on this stone, shalbe broken: but on whom soeuer it shall fall, it will grinde him to powder.
45 And when the chiefe Priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceiued that he spake of them.
©1611

God's commandments on the other hand are based on Love.
Love for His Chosen People (the Israelites, once long ago [see verse43 above])

God had warned them what would happen if they abandoned His Just Law because He loved them and did not want those things to happen, but despite many many episodes where cadavers were piled up by the tens of thousands and living babies ripped out of their mothers' bellies those fools just would not get-the-message and REJECTED His Love. God therefore (after several thousand years) REJECTED them [see verse45 above].

Such internal consistencies over so long a period would be impossible without the Loving Hand Of God preserving and directing His Children. How exciting it must have been for the little children waiting for those virginity inspections after they had been released from the wanton provision of their fathers. But God knew that their whorish mothers would rot the social fabric of His chosen nation.

NUMBERS 31
15 And Moses said vnto them, Haue ye saued all the women aliue?
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsell of Balaam, to commit trespasse against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the Congregation of the Lord.
©1611


As you can see, tyler the earthworshipper, these men were neither murderous nor stupid. They were directed by that most wonderful of minds which could not only conceive of all that there is but through His Creative Word bring it into reality. In these last days His Perfect Love is manifest once more. Israel is again a nation. Jesus reigns on High and we look forward to the day when the world will be cleansed from all unrighteousness. Now that's what I call consistent! Hallelujah!

Praise Him for His Excellent Lovingkindness ! !.. .. Psalm 36:7

[handmaiden]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Thank you Mr Tabor for pointing that out. I am trying out one of those text-to-voice thingys this morning to see what it's like for those ½-baked types who get on here and seem to have read the words in a post but have no idea what they mean. It did work (sort of) but when it gurgled "the Grusades were rum by the gavel ick chur" I got such a start that I pulled the meat out from my breakfast bbq and hot sausage juice went all on my legs. When the pope orders a crusade, that is an order from satan and any deaths would be murder, as you pointed out.

Crawling around on the floor of my outdoor dining area mopping up the olive oil and sausages I was struck by a terrible image of all the poor souls who relied on the anti-Biblical teachings of the vatican, such as once a crusade has been declared then all sins past and future are forgiven for anyone who takes part. The result was wholescale butchery based on hate, greed and lust. How dreadful it must be to live in the clutches of evil.

Although that is a very good description of the epileptic-psycho worshipping jihadist meathead who (although very stupid) does know what he's doing, longs to kill and rape and has cooked up a lunatic belief system based on "the will of Allah" it is very far from The Truth of God's Perfect Love and closer to (if not identical with) the wretched corpse of 1st century Judaism, described here by Jesus:

MATTHEW 21
43 Therefore say I vnto you, the kingdome of God shall be taken from you, and giuen to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoeuer shall fall on this stone, shalbe broken: but on whom soeuer it shall fall, it will grinde him to powder.
45 And when the chiefe Priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceiued that he spake of them.
©1611

God's commandments on the other hand are based on Love.
Love for His Chosen People (the Israelites, once long ago [see verse43 above])

God had warned them what would happen if they abandoned His Just Law because He loved them and did not want those things to happen, but despite many many episodes where cadavers were piled up by the tens of thousands and living babies ripped out of their mothers' bellies those fools just would not get-the-message and REJECTED His Love. God therefore (after several thousand years) REJECTED them [see verse45 above].

Such internal consistencies over so long a period would be impossible without the Loving Hand Of God preserving and directing His Children. How exciting it must have been for the little children waiting for those virginity inspections after they had been released from the wanton provision of their fathers. But God knew that their whorish mothers would rot the social fabric of His chosen nation.

NUMBERS 31
15 And Moses said vnto them, Haue ye saued all the women aliue?
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsell of Balaam, to commit trespasse against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the Congregation of the Lord.
©1611


As you can see, tyler the earthworshipper, these men were neither murderous nor stupid. They were directed by that most wonderful of minds which could not only conceive of all that there is but through His Creative Word bring it into reality. In these last days His Perfect Love is manifest once more. Israel is again a nation. Jesus reigns on High and we look forward to the day when the world will be cleansed from all unrighteousness. Now that's what I call consistent! Hallelujah!

Praise Him for His Excellent Lovingkindness ! !.. .. Psalm 36:7

(Sniff!!) God Bless you, sister! Such a vessel for His Wisdom! I am moved by your words and lay down in greater awe to our dear, loving Savior.


Weepily Yours,

Handmaiden

[Oceanwander]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I voted 'Strong Christian' and am fully devoted to the Lord.

Praise Jesus!