[noosab]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

God increases the pain women experience during childbirth as punishment for Eve's sin -- eating a piece of fruit. What right does a woman have to circumvent God's righteous judgement? Just imagine the chaos that would ensue if there was a loophole that allowed sinners to escape their just desserts!



One question: are you pro-choice?

Ah got it! I think that's where we get off on the wrong foot. Even in my Christian days I never believed in the first testament. And I am absolutely pro choice. And by the way you are very smart with all of your answers given to me today. You sure know your bible.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

Ok, lets see... law says killing is illegal, but Bible says you must kill disobedient children, adulterous women and to the ones who doesn't believe in God, at the same time you say Bible tell them to obey the law, even when is saying they must do something clearly illegal, is that logical for you?

Hence why we need to turn the tide back towards Jesus and bring back laws in line with scripture. I think you're almost getting it.

It's obviously not murder when God tells you to do it. The law of men just gets a bit confused now and then.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

Ah got it! I think that's where we get off on the wrong foot. Even in my Christian days I never believed in the first testament.

John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

[Missionary in Sweden]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

I'm so happy I read this before my pregnant wife comes to term. Still seven months to go though.

[Missionary in Sweden]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

Whats wrong with medicin to ease pain? Where does it say that god disagrees with medicine? So if your child is sick with a fever would you choose not to make them better with medicine?

If you're in pain it's because God is punishing you. Maybe you should meditate on your sins instead of filling your body with pollutants defiling the body God has graced you with?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

Whats wrong with medicin to ease pain? Where does it say that god disagrees with medicine? So if your child is sick with a fever would you choose not to make them better with medicine?

HERE is a great resource that answers all your questions!

[thedog'sbehind]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

I really do not want to start a fight, but...


By Jesus dying on the cross for us all, He gave us all a chance to start anew, to forget our old ways.


Now, I have noticed that you have been quoting the Old Testament. The Old Testament sets out some rules and some less-than-ethical teachings that I would much rather not get into, but...


You yourself have proven that the Old Testament has men ruling over, and often punishing, women. Inequality.


The thing is, Jesus' death almost, in a sense, liberates us from old rules. Which means the Old Testament, and its contents.


Are you getting my point yet? You should treat women equally, and stop using the Bible as an excuse to treat us differently. Or, to make it even simpler and more relevant, as I've gone off-course somewhat...


WOMEN HAVE JUST AS MUCH A RIGHT TO ANESTHETICS AS YOU ENTITLED LOT DO.


((Extra: According to your own Bible, God created us to worship Him. Your supposed "rapture" that never happened shows that, should your "God" have been real, that He values us as much as a child with some chess-pieces. You guys are taking literally parables and metaphors and using them as an excuse to discriminate against others, and to "prove" your superiority. All you lot are proving is that you need to either 1. Start finding better excuses for your and anti-non-hetero, racist, and sexist behaviour or 2. Start becoming decent people by RESPECTING others and realising that believing in that crackpot book of yours is holding up society's advancement. Such a shame people like you have the ability to vote. And, let me guess, all of you are "pro-life" because your "God" said so? Ugh, let us women have SOME rights, will you? We don't deserve to be your toys just because ONE person was bad - that judgement was God's, and proves that he is a very flawed character at best, and more than likely the entire of the second Genesis story was just an excuse for sexism.))


I know that all of you will tell me to "go to hell" for what I've said, but I care not. If me going to hell is the price to pay for all my fellow women having equality and choice over their own bodies, then I am more than willing to pay it!


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You all need Homestuck.

[thedog'sbehind]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

And "unsaved TRASH" is incredibly rude, don'tcha think?

[Faith_Machine]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

And "unsaved TRASH" is incredibly rude, don'tcha think?

Unsaved Trash is an accurate description of what you are. Pray tell, why have you not posted an introductory thread in our introductory forum?

We want to hear all about your sinful life, so we can better aid you in your journey toward Jesus.

[Didymus Much]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

...The Old Testament sets out some rules and some less-than-ethical teachings that I would much rather not get into...

If you want "rather nots" instead of Commandments, try Pastafarianism.

...The thing is, Jesus' death almost, in a sense, liberates us from old rules. Which means the Old Testament, and its contents...

Almost =/= does. But don't take my word for it:

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

...You should treat women equally, and stop using the Bible as an excuse to treat us differently...

What about the parts of the Bible that demand that they treat women differently? Are they supposed to ignore those?

...WOMEN HAVE JUST AS MUCH A RIGHT TO ANESTHETICS AS YOU ENTITLED LOT DO...

Which, as they believe in the power of prayer to heal, instead of "doctors" and "modern medicine", is.... zero. Surprised? Read your Bible.

...If me going to hell is the price to pay for all my fellow women having equality and choice over their own bodies, then I am more than willing to pay it!...

Such a noble non-sacrifice.

[Basilissa]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

I really do not want to start a fight, but...

Then don't, dear.

By Jesus dying on the cross for us all, He gave us all a chance to start anew, to forget our old ways.

Yes. But you have to repent and follow the Bible 100% (James 2:10).

You yourself have proven that the Old Testament has men ruling over, and often punishing, women. Inequality.

Actually, I'd argue that the New Testament is much more explicit about gender inequality then the Old Testament. Here are some examples (more will be provided upon request):

1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1st Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1st Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1st Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

1st Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1st Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1st Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1st Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1st Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1st Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

The thing is, Jesus' death almost, in a sense, liberates us from old rules. Which means the Old Testament, and its contents.

1) not true (James 2:10)
2) even if it was true, your argument would still be invalid due to the mounds of evidence supporting and reinforcing gender inequality in the New Testament.

Are you getting my point yet? You should treat women equally, and stop using the Bible as an excuse to treat us differently.

And disobey Jesus?



Thanks, but no thanks.

((Extra: According to your own Bible, God created us to worship Him. Your supposed "rapture" that never happened shows that, should your "God" have been real, that He values us as much as a child with some chess-pieces.

So? His world, His rules.

You guys are taking literally parables and metaphors and using them as an excuse to discriminate against others, and to "prove" your superiority.

Please either show me any True Christian™ misinterpreting the Holy Bible or stop throwing empty accusations.

All you lot are proving is that you need to either 1. Start finding better excuses for your and anti-non-hetero, racist, and sexist behaviour

Why? God's Own Word not good enough for ya?

or 2. Start becoming decent people by RESPECTING others and realising that believing in that crackpot book of yours is holding up society's advancement.

We don't care about "society's advancement." We only care about Salvation.

Such a shame people like you have the ability to vote. And, let me guess, all of you are "pro-life" because your "God" said so? Ugh, let us women have SOME rights, will you? We don't deserve to be your toys just because ONE person was bad - that judgement was God's, and proves that he is a very flawed character at best, and more than likely the entire of the second Genesis story was just an excuse for sexism.))

I have no idea what's your point there so I'll just let it be (whatever it might be).