[GreatScott]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I'd just say that, if you want to think rationally, we have the Bible. It is literally the only logical option.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I'd just say that, if you want to think rationally, we have the Bible. It is literally the only logical option.

It depends what you mean by "rationally" which is often taken to signify Aristotle's system of logic or something derived from it. And depending on whose opinion you prefer Aristotle (heathen) may or may not endorse a range of propositions very thoroughly refuted over the last couple of centuries. Or three, or four. Something like that. Other opinions suggest that what Aristotle proposed had already been refuted by Democritus (atheist) but that may be pushing the boat out in which case they'd roll in Epicurus (atheist) but the point here really is that Paul (Christian) would certainly be aware of any such disputes.

There were numerous references in POST #1 some of which I'm happy to include here for you:

God hates Rational Thinking!

I Corinthians 1:18-19 The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Often, in the secularist world almost invariably, rationality is seen as a logically consistent investigation of the natural world. Not a recent idea and an idea well known to New Testament authors. It had already been proposed that simply by climbing up Mount Olympus one could see whether there were any Zeuses to hand.

I Corinthians 2:14a But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him

People who reject the axioms of logic or disregard seemingly counter-intuitive observations are considered foolish. "They would rather adhere to false preconceptions than accept reality," we are told.

I Corinthians 3:18-19a: Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God

I don't want to dwell on this topic which has been so well set out in the OP. Naturalism elucidates nothing beyond our consciousness held up as an "aware" part of the cosmos. Its proponents don't usually make it that far since, I'd have thought, in so vast an entity as they propose any island of awareness would be significant. But they declare the opposite: our tiny speck is an irrelevant mote! Nevertheless, God sees them..

I Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

If you hadn't read the first post I can recommend following up the Scripture revisited there and browsing the whole thread where many comments and suggestions have been addressed.

cf Isaiah 29:13-14

[GreatScott]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

It depends what you mean by "rationally" which is often taken to signify Aristotle's system of logic or something derived from it.

Sorry about that. I meant rationally as in "utilizing logic". Because the Bible is literally the only option that makes sense.

[Basilissa]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I'd just say that, if you want to think rationally, we have the Bible. It is literally the only logical option.

It depends what you mean by "rationally" which is often taken to signify Aristotle's system of logic or something derived from it.

Sorry about that. I meant rationally as in "utilizing logic". Because the Bible is literally the only option that makes sense.

Of course, dear. I highly recommend that you read Sister Mitza's post again. And then the opening post. And then Sister Mitza's post. Etc, etc, etc, until you finally understand something.

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

The Truth is very important. Unlike other religions, Christianity is based on historical events. For example if there were no Augustus Caesar and no Pontius Pilate and no Paul... but there were.

II PETER 1 .KJV . look up
16 We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Fables are what false religions rely on. They have no basis in history. When their founders died, nothing happened. When Jesus dies the world is changed forever. God Himself confirms the Gospel narrative just as He identifies Jesus to be His Son. Without a knowledge of The Truth people will believe anything. We can visit heathen nations to see how much worse off they are as a result and read their fables too, which are pretty way-off if you ask me.

There is a reason why some nations are prosperous and free while others spend most of their time murdering one another. Call it a spectrum disorder. What varies across the spectrum of nations as their depravity increases?

JOHN 8 .KJV . look up
32 [Jesus speaking] Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Amen, that's correct! All the prophesies proof the Bible is complete truth! Many argue whether the Gap theory is true or not. Well, there is a lot of debate going on. But if we see what really happened, then we see our final authority is the 1611 King James Bible.

Of course there is a lot of stupidy going on. Many pro choice people say "The Bible doesn't forbid abortion" and my reply is "Neither does the Bible forbid going to a brothel or betraying the tax office". And when I warn the very same people about hell through what's written in passages like Luke 16:19-31, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-13, Hebrews 10:26-31, Revelation 20:10-15 etc., they say that's only symbolical or mistranslated. And when I tell that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible they reply that the Bible isn't modern enough anymore. Oh well...
People must realize the Holy Bible is not a simple 'don't do this and that' book. It's God living word. Many people have made fun of me for having faith in that, but should I care? Definitely not. I only follow Christ.

[MitzaLizalor]

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"Neither does the Bible forbid.….betraying the tax office"

THE BIBLE

Matthew 22:20-21 [Jesus] saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Unless I've been sitting in the Sybil's cave and suffered a surfeit of ethane, Jesus' words there are non-optional. Misrepresenting financial circumstances to taxation authorities would therefore be a betrayal of Jesus.

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

THE BIBLE

Matthew 22:20-21 [Jesus] saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Unless I've been sitting in the Sybil's cave and suffered a surfeit of ethane, Jesus' words there are non-optional. Misrepresenting financial circumstances to taxation authorities would therefore be a betrayal of Jesus.

Thank you, I always ripped this passage out of context and taught it had just to do with proofing that money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10). That shouldn't have happened since I always keep Christ's commandments, which aren't grieveous (1 John 5:3). Even though women are not supposed to teach at all (1 Timothy 2:12), here this one was helpful.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Thank you, I always ripped this passage out of context and taught it had just to do with proofing that money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10). That shouldn't have happened since I always keep Christ's commandments, which aren't grieveous (1 John 5:3). Even though women are not supposed to teach at all (1 Timothy 2:12), here this one was helpful.

Dear Diesel, I see you are trying. But accusing a Christian woman of trying to teach you is going beyond the line.
Quoting the Bible to correct you is not teaching you. She just shows what's in the Bible. She has no opinion of her own, neither is trying that you learn something.
If the prohibition to teach could be applied to preaching the Bible outside Church, women could not be out saving sinners. And you are still a sinner, my friend, so you need all the help you can get.
I know you are trying hard, but the path is narrow and the gate is strait. The reward is what makes this unique.

[Diesel Stanford]

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Dear Diesel, I see you are trying. But accusing a Christian woman of trying to teach you is going beyond the line.
Quoting the Bible to correct you is not teaching you. She just shows what's in the Bible. She has no opinion of her own, neither is trying that you learn something.
If the prohibition to teach could be applied to preaching the Bible outside Church, women could not be out saving sinners. And you are still a sinner, my friend, so you need all the help you can get.
I know you are trying hard, but the path is narrow and the gate is strait. The reward is what makes this unique.

I am not a sinner. There is no such thing as a Christian who is still a sinner. 1 Timothy 1:15 is horribly misinterpreted in which Paul talks about his past life before he became a Christian. In 1 Corinthians 6:11 he says we are sanctified. And I don't have an opinion either, but how do you define 'teach'?

Here is how the dictionairy defines it: to help somebody learn something by giving information about it


If she teaches the truth, she is still teaching.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I am not a sinner. There is no such thing as a Christian who is still a sinner. 1 Timothy 1:15 is horribly misinterpreted in which Paul talks about his past life before he became a Christian. In 1 Corinthians 6:11 he says we are sanctified. And I don't have an opinion either, but how do you define 'teach'?

Here is how the dictionairy defines it: to help somebody learn something by giving information about it


If she teaches the truth, she is still teaching.

If you were a Christian, we would know it. And you would have the right tag besides your username.
So far, we have no proof of you being a Christian other than your word.
About your definition, I think I was clear. Sister Mitza is not trying to make you learn nothing. So, it is not teaching. It is rude from you to suggest she is sinning, and therefore not a Christian and going to Hell.
Again: rebuking and teaching are two different things. I hope you can understand this. Repent, and accept the Lord as your saviour.


I will be praying for your soul because I see potential in you, in spite of the popular opinion.

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If you were a Christian, we would know it. And you would have the right tag besides your username.
So far, we have no proof of you being a Christian other than your word.
About your definition, I think I was clear. Sister Mitza is not trying to make you learn nothing. So, it is not teaching. It is rude from you to suggest she is sinning, and therefore not a Christian and going to Hell.
Again: rebuking and teaching are two different things. I hope you can understand this. Repent, and accept the Lord as your saviour.


I will be praying for your soul because I see potential in you, in spite of the popular opinion.

You have no proof of me being a Christian? 1 Samuel 16:7 may change your mind: But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

We know Judas was acting like a Christian for most of his life, but he was none.


We have to stay biblical. Paul also - correctly - accused to Corinthians of sinning (1 Corinthains 3:1-4), yet him as well as them were Christians. Shocking, but true. I do not agree with what the Apostle Paul said in 1 Timothy 1:15 tho. There he has missed the mark, but he was being humble (1 Peter 5:5). I think James 5:16 sets a great example here. God bless

[Basilissa]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Many pro choice people say "The Bible doesn't forbid abortion"

Of course it doesn't. In fact, it endorses abortion of heathen fetuses:

2 Kings 15:16 Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

And do not forget about abortion à la Jesus: God's Way to Discard an Adulterous Bastard.

Thank you, I always ripped this passage out of context and taught it had just to do with proofing that money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10).

Dear, why do you think there is a contradiction between what Sister Mitza said and 1 Timothy 6:10? Are you implying the Bible is internally contradictory?!

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Are you implying the Bible is internally contradictory?!

Don't worry, I am not. I am just questioning any person but Jesus Christ. I am not saying everybody sins again after his salvation, but I know everybody sinned before he got saved. If a person never sinned at all, he wouldn't need salvation. While Jesus TRULY NEVER sinned. 2 Corinthians 5:21 does declare that. We can be exactly like Jesus, but nobody was like Jesus before he got saved. That is the difference. We are perfect since our spiritual birth, Jesus since his physical birth.

[Basilissa]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Don't worry, I am not. I am just questioning any person but Jesus Christ. I am not saying everybody sins again after his salvation, but I know everybody sinned before he got saved. If a person never sinned at all, he wouldn't need salvation. While Jesus TRULY NEVER sinned. 2 Corinthians 5:21 does declare that. We can be exactly like Jesus, but nobody was like Jesus before he got saved. That is the difference. We are perfect since our spiritual birth, Jesus since his physical birth.

Good. Did you enjoy the link I provided above, regarding Godly abortion?

[Titus Templeton]

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This is one of the most important threads.