[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I thought is was about 40%.

Actually, less than 40% of scientists say there is no God. That leaves 2/3rds of them that do.

www.livescience.com/379-scientists-belief-god-varies-starkly-discipline.html

I also think that the scientists have learned and done some amazing things. It's just too bad they threw away what they have stood for, on this issue. That is to prove first and have evidence, then say what the conclusion, is.
What they did do was say first and then spend 150 years trying to prove it, but have gotten nowhere. They are probably further away now.
Because they have spent big bucks on researching what they thought would prove them right, and it hasn't. So now what?

[Tea_Party_Minister]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

[...] it's just too bad [scientists] threw away what they have stood for, on this issue. That is to prove first and have evidence, then say what the conclusion, is.

What they did do was say first and then spend 150 years trying to prove it, but have gotten nowhere. They are probably further away now.

Because they have spent big bucks on researching what they thought would prove them right, and it hasn't. So now what?

I know! They can't prove themselves right, can they, epignosis?! Of course they are getting further away from the truth! They should give up and just read the Holy Bible (KJV).

You obviously know a lot about science and their so-called "contributions" and I appreciate you sharing your wisdom here. You're sure right that scientists always state conclusions before having evidence. That's the "scientific method" as I understand it. Silly scientists!

I know what you mean, scientists haven't discovered anything in 150 years and they are getting nowhere, wasting time and money with all that so-called "research." Don't they realize that all the answers are in the Holy Bible (KJV)?! And what idiots those college students are, trying to understand silly things like atoms and cells and micro-organisms. HA! Fools! Only God can understand those things...

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

You mean the anonymously written article on the random website full of supposed news-clippings from obscure small-town 19th century newspapers? Yeah, my mind is blown.

Can I ask you something? Why is it when you started posting here, you were saying that Christians shouldn't ignore science, and now you're instead saying all scientists are Satanists and liars?

You are aware that the majority of scientists believe in God, right?

I thought is was about 40%. I don't say all scientists are Satanists or liars.
I also think that the scientists have learned and done some amazing things. It's just too bad they threw away what they have stood for, on this issue. That is to prove first and have evidence, then say what the conclusion, is.
What they did do was say first and then spend 150 years trying to prove it, but have gotten nowhere. They are probably further away now.
Because they have spent big bucks on researching what they thought would prove them right, and it hasn't. So now what?

[Tea_Party_Minister]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

You mean the anonymously written article on the random website full of supposed news-clippings from obscure small-town 19th century newspapers? Yeah, my mind is blown.

Can I ask you something? Why is it when you started posting here, you were saying that Christians shouldn't ignore science, and now you're instead saying all scientists are Satanists and liars?

You are aware that the majority of scientists believe in God, right?

Woman, the Holy Bible (KJV) commands your silence!

True Christians™ do not believe in science and scientists do not believe in the Holy Bible or they would not need to study science and question God's teachings.

The only science that we need to study is the science taught in the Holy Bible (KJV). Today's scientists may believe in their gods, but it is not the God I know.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Bogdana
What did you think of that article of the giants though? It is pretty amazing how far the scientists will go to deceive people.

You mean the anonymously written article on the random website full of supposed news-clippings from obscure small-town 19th century newspapers? Yeah, my mind is blown.

Can I ask you something? Why is it when you started posting here, you were saying that Christians shouldn't ignore science, and now you're instead saying all scientists are Satanists and liars?

You are aware that the majority of scientists believe in God, right?

[Tea_Party_Minister]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I can see that the world is turning evil. Jesus will surely return any day now to deliver me from this evil society of "rational thinkers..."

Evil atheist scientists are trying to destroy the souls of True Christians™ by insisting that we came from monkeys and that our earth is more than a few thousand years old. Just because their evidence and scientific measurements can "prove" that the earth was not created in 7 days, then Genesis is inaccurate? Well, if that's rational thinking, then I reason that rational thinking is for the damned.

How dare the scientists question the Word of God!

Scientists are surely terrorists against God's word for trying to disprove Him. Scientific research is a sin and was designed by Satan to lead people to Hell by questioning God's Word. Scientists should all be burned for their witchcraft! Everything we need to know is in the Holy Bible (KJV).

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circle

Here is the correct link.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle* of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

* circle חוג chuwg

Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball**into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

** ball דור duwr

Do you see the difference now? If Isaiah had wanted to say ball, he would have said ball.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

There are many lengths of time used for the word day

2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So we are to rest for one thousand years on the Sabbath? Let's say this proves that 1000 years is a day to God and that's what Genesis and Exodus mean when they mention the six day creation. You still have a huge problem reconciling science and the Bible. 6x1000 is still only 6000 years.

The scientists says it was billions of years.

Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

One day equals a year. It actually says it there and spells it out. Too bad for you Genesis does no such thing.

Genesis 2:1-5 (King James Version)

Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

God said he took six days to make the heavens and the earth , and rested on the 7th day. But in verse 4 it says in the 'day' God made the earth and heavens. So the bible says that creation all happened in a day. So it is considering all the creative days as one day.

Great. You still have the problem that it is completely out of order of what scientists believe it to be. It didn't rain, but there were plants? There was light before there was a sun or a moon? Birds and fish were created at the same time?

Many places in the bible a day meant a time period, that something was accomplished.

As judged by whom?

You mean it rained for 4000 years while Noah was on the Ark? It says God caused it to rain for 40 days and 40 nights.

You still can't answer why the Sabbath was celebrated on the seventh day. Why the day when God rested is symbolic, but honor your mother and father is literal.

You have also been unable to answer what the day of rest means for God. You are saying this is a period without change? It was millions of years where God did nothing? He didn't listen to anyone or answer any prayers. He was or still is resting?

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson wrote:
I see, so the Ten Commandments are symbolic now. The term day doesn't actually mean day. Let's read epignosis' new commandments.

There are many lengths of time used for the word day



2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


Genesis 2:1-5 (King James Version)

Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

God said he took six days to make the heavens and the earth , and rested on the 7th day. But in verse 4 it says in the 'day' God made the earth and heavens. So the bible says that creation all happened in a day. So it is considering all the creative days as one day.

In taking about Adam
Genesis 3:5 (King James Version)

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Hear God was telling Adam that in the 'day' of Adams eating of the fruit he would die.

Genesis 5:5 (King James Version)

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

But Adam lived 930 years.
So in Adam's case, a day meant 930 years.

Many places in the bible a day meant a time period, that something was accomplished.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

First of all, your link goes nowhere. I'm not as gullible as you sickular idiots.

Second, what dictionary are you using?

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circle

Here is the correct link.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Psalm 93:1 (Young's Literal Translation)

Psalm 93

1Jehovah hath reigned, Excellency He hath put on, Jehovah put on strength, He girded Himself, Also -- established is the world, unmoved.

Psalm 78:69 (King James Version)

69And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psalm 104:5 (King James Version)

5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.


This is not talking about the earth moving around the Sun, he is talking about the earth remaining forever .

The term is מוט mowt which in its most literal form means a bar of yoke a curved bar upon which something rests in a fixed position.

Psalm 78 uses a completely different term סד yacad. Your equivocation has not gone unnoticed.

We use the same term today, we say the sunrise and sunset.

You really don't know what you are talking about at all, do you? You are making this up as you go along?

The sunrise is שמש shemesh רח zarach not מוט mowt.

The sunset is שמש shemesh בוא bow'.

You would know that if you had bothered to look deeper into Ecclesiastes 1:5.

So do you understand it now? The sun moves around the earth and the earth is in a fixed position.

In Joshua 10:13, about the sun and moon standing still, is not impossible with God, for he created it. It is also possible that God used some other method to fool our senses as many people, can do today, with tricks. We are not told how he did that.

Maybe He can do tricks that fool us? If you have nothing better than the supposition that maybe he did do it that way, you are playing cowboys and indians with religion. I shot you! Nuh, uh. I had my shield up!

The point of the story in Joshua is to demonstrate that God made them sit still while they revolve around the earth.

I went over the six 'days' or time periods before. God was never limited with our solar system and a 24 hr. day. Even all the creative days are call a day.
They were periods of time that certain thing were created.

I see, so the Ten Commandments are symbolic now. The term day doesn't actually mean day. Let's read epignosis' new commandments.

Exodus 20:10-16 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day (which isn't really a day at all. It's a period of time): wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother (well not really your father and mother. You should honor some other people because the word mother and father don't really mean mother and father): that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.(unless you feel like it. The word kill doesn't really mean kill)

14Thou shalt not commit adultery (adultery actually means threesomes with married women so one at a time is okay).
15Thou shalt not steal.(steal actually means steal a lot, so stealing a little is okay. My BFF God told me so.)

16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.(unless you don't like him, then go for it because false witness actually means that you can make it up with works later.)

[BelieverInGod]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16.
a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/newre...ote=1&p=734419

Well this should end the discussion.

First of all, your link goes nowhere. I'm not as gullible as you sickular idiots.

Second, what dictionary are you using?

Definition of CIRCLE

1
a : ring, halo b : a closed plane curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve c : the plane surface bounded by such a curve

Definition of SPHERE

1
a (1) : the apparent surface of the heavens of which half forms the dome of the visible sky (2) : any of the concentric and eccentric revolving spherical transparent shells in which according to ancient astronomy stars, sun, planets, and moon are set

Definition of ORB

1
: any of the concentric spheres in old astronomy surrounding the earth and carrying the celestial bodies in their revolutions

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

sorry I had the wrong link, this post is better.

Quote:
So you just flip through the different versions until you find one that fits?

Oh and you are another public school retard that doesn't understand the difference between a circle and a ball? It's currently being discussed HERE and HERE

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circle

Well this should end the discussion.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

So you just flip through the different versions until you find one that fits?

Oh and you are another public school retard that doesn't understand the difference between a circle and a ball? It's currently being discussed HERE and HERE

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16.
a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/newre...ote=1&p=734419

Well this should end the discussion.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Psalm 93:1 (Young's Literal Translation)

Psalm 93

1Jehovah hath reigned, Excellency He hath put on, Jehovah put on strength, He girded Himself, Also -- established is the world, unmoved.

Psalm 78:69 (King James Version)

69And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psalm 104:5 (King James Version)

5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.


This is not talking about the earth moving around the Sun, he is talking about the earth remaining forever .

We use the same term today, we say the sunrise and sunset.


In Joshua 10:13, about the sun and moon standing still, is not impossible with God, for he created it. It is also possible that God used some other method to fool our senses as many people, can do today, with tricks. We are not told how he did that.

I went over the six 'days' or time periods before. God was never limited with our solar system and a 24 hr. day. Even all the creative days are call a day.
They were periods of time that certain thing were created.

The other thing is that when people in those times periods thought the earth was flat. The bible says:

Isaiah 40:22 (King James Version)

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

So the bible is ahead of the prevailing thinking of the people at that time. So how did the writer know that?

If you want to be literal, then in this verse , people are grasshoppers, and the heaven is a curtain and this all lives in a tent.

So you just flip through the different versions until you find one that fits?

Oh and you are another public school retard that doesn't understand the difference between a circle and a ball? It's currently being discussed HERE and HERE