[Didymus Much]

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...but acknowledging that more than 90% are good...

Exactly when did anyone except you agree on that figure to be an "acceptable" non-wife-murdering ratio?

...should the whole post office be destroyed?...

There are plenty of other methods of communication. And the only stuff that shows up in my physical mailbox these days is crap I'm not interested in, so there's that.

...torture porn fanfic deleted...

Wouldn't you prefer just not having to continually apologize? It's easy, and you'll still be the same person.

[Basilissa]

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Continuing the analogy, granted that it is true that there are bad postmen, but acknowledging that more than 90% are good, should the whole post office be destroyed?

The other 90% (wherever you got that statistical number from, maybe it's 65%, or only 7%) are not good because they are covering up the crime of the murderer. In the court of law that makes them guilty, too.

[tomdstone]

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Wouldn't you prefer just not having to continually apologize?

You are right.
I guess it's best to take a break from posting on this forum.
Bye.

[Basilissa]

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You are right.
I guess it's best to take a break from posting on this forum.
Bye.

I will take this as your admittance of defeat. I sincerely hope you'll take some time to read the Holy Bible while you're offline.

[handmaiden]

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This thing with the "postman delivering a cousin's letter" is a false equivalency.

The Catholic Church claims its authority by way of "inheritance" from one of the letter writers, i.e. the Apostle Peter.


They aren't just delivering the letter, they are reading it for themselves and deciding what to tell us about what is in the letter. The first point they make before explaining our own letter to us is that we have to obey them and take anything they say about the letter at face value.


They are perfectly content if we never read the letter for ourselves. As long as we tip the postman--who graciously took time out of his busy schedule of rape, murder and robbery to drop it off in our mailbox--they will keep the main Post Office in gilt and fancy statues by telling us to send money to our "cousin" who doesn't need it.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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The Trump administration may not make the Unholy See great again (or ever), but it can at least let the Romanists know that someone is paying attention to their misdeeds.

From The Washington False Christian Compost:

Vatican diplomat to Washington recalled because of child-porn investigation

U.S. officials found evidence implicating a Vatican diplomat in a child-pornography case, the Vatican said Friday, leading officials in Rome to recall the priest to the Holy See. The case drew attention again to Pope Francis’s efforts to strengthen anti-abuse systems in the church and to debate about how well they’re working.

The Vatican said in a morning news release that the State Department contacted the Vatican’s Secretariat of State on Aug. 21 to report a possible crime involving child pornography. The United States said it was allegedly committed by a member of the diplomatic corps based in Washington.

[Brock Landers]

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Cardinal George Pell arrives at Melbourne court for sex abuse case

Lawyers will call about 50 witnesses, including former choirboys, at the historical sex abuse case against George Pell. The Vatican finance chief denies all the charges.

Vatican Treasurer Cardinal George Pell was jeered by protesters as he appeared in court on historical sex abuse charges in Australia on Friday.

Australia's most highly-ranked Catholic was not required to enter a plea, but the court heard that about 50 witnesses, including former choir boys, would be called over the length of the trial........

Pope Francis' top financial adviser stands accused of multiple offenses involving multiple complainants, but the exact details of the alleged offenses have been withheld from the public for legal reasons. The court heard that the prosecution's evidence was "voluminous," local media reported.

http://www.dw.com/en/cardinal-george-pell-arrives-at-melbourne-court-for-sex-abuse-case/a-40830285

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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From the JYT:

23 Women Accuse Former Queens Priest of Abusing Them as Children

A former teacher at a Catholic school in Queens who said she had reported the sexual abuse of seven female students by a priest in 1991 now claims that the Diocese of Brooklyn covered it up for more than a decade, allowing more girls to be abused.

* * *

Ms. Porcaro, 63, said that at the end of 1990, seven fifth-graders told her that Father Prochaski was sexually abusing them. Most were Polish immigrants whose families had been brought to America with the help of the priest, to whom they felt beholden.

She said she reported the abuse to the principal, a nun from the Sisters of the Holy Family order. She said the nun laughed and said, “Oh, everybody knows about Father Adam,” she recalled. “And I had tears in my eyes.”

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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From Courthouse News Service:

EDINBURG, Texas (CN) — A Texas jury convicted former Catholic priest John Feit of murder Thursday evening for the Easter weekend 1960 killing of schoolteacher Irene Garza, closing a case that took 57 years to bring to trial and featured allegations of a church cover-up.

* * *

Prosecutors painted a sinister portrait of Feit as a “depraved” priest with a “mischievous heart,” whom the Catholic Church protected to avoid institutional scandal. The state presented a pattern of “creepy” behavior, including Feit’s penchant for attacking young women wearing high-heeled shoes from behind.

It was Holy Saturday 1960 when Feit pulled Irene by the arm out of a confessional at McAllen’s Sacred Heart Church. He took her to the church rectory next door, where he assaulted, bound and gagged her with a cellophane bag and suffocated her in a bathtub.

Feit, then a 27-year-old visiting priest, fondled her breasts before she spoke her last words: “I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe,” a former monk, Dale Tacheny, testified this week. Tacheny said Feit confessed to the murder to him three years after he did it.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Sick-ular MSM "news" source:

Retired Boise priest Thomas Faucher appeared in an Ada County courtroom Thursday morning for his scheduled preliminary hearing on charges of possessing child pornography images.

Faucher, 72, was arrested February 2nd, after investigators say they discovered several hundred images of child pornography on his home computer. They say they also found marijuana, LSD, and ecstasy in the home Faucher rents from the Saint Mary's Catholic Church in Boise.

Another sick-ular MSM "news" source

The latter linked article includes details that will horrify and disgust just about any decent person (but not, it appears, certain Romanists). I advise you to fast, pray, and rebuke the devils of Catholicism before clicking.

[Pim Pendergast]

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Australian Cardinal George Pell has become the highest-ranking Catholic official to be convicted of sexual abuse. The offences took place while he was establishing the Melbourne Response to protect children from abuse.

It is worth remembering that the cause of rampant sexual abuse in the Catholic "church" is the celibate lifestyle of its clergy, which is clearly contrary to Scripture.

1 Tim 3:2, 4-5
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
[. . .]
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

God has given us clear instructions. A true church would be free of such hypocrisy, corruption and scandal.

Through two lengthy trials, George Pell had become used to making the walk from the courtroom to his car in relative peace.

Even after he was convicted of child sex offences in December, the private nature of the hearings granted him a clear path.

But on Tuesday, he got a taste of the outrage and disgust reverberating around the world as he made that walk as a convicted paedophile.

"You're an absolute pig. Burn in hell," a heckler yelled at Pell, as police pushed through a media scrum.

Reaction to the decision rippled out from the courtroom, spanning from the highest office in the land to the everyday Catholic left to grapple with their faith.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he was "deeply shocked at the crimes".

"It is the victims and their families I am thinking of today, and all who have suffered from sexual abuse by those they should have been able to trust, but couldn't," he said.

"Their prolonged pain and suffering will not have ended today."

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said "good people of faith" had "been betrayed".

His sentiments were confirmed by comments from Catholics on talkback radio in Melbourne.

"I grew up in very strict Catholic family, but I have no faith whatsoever," a woman from country Victoria told ABC Radio Melbourne.

"They've let us all down, and they're still letting us all down."

Some of Pell's first years as a priest were spent giving sermons at the parish of St Alipius in Ballarat, and he spent a decade as the director of the Aquinas College for Catholic education.

The current parish priest, Father Peter Sherman, said he first heard the nature of Pell's offences this morning.

"I think people will be very sad. I don't think there's any winners in the sexual abuse issue," he said.

"People will scratch their heads about this — I will."

Francis Sullivan, who was once in charge of coordinating the Catholic Church's actions after the child abuse royal commission, said the church had been "brought to its knees".

"It's really hard for a lot of Catholics," the former chief executive of the Truth, Justice and Healing Council said.

"As a Catholic myself, I think, God, has it come to this?

"When you have a cardinal being convicted, it's more than a person being convicted in a way — it's like our whole approach to life has been put through the wringer."

The church is not the only institution left to wonder about its relationship with Australia's highest-ranking Catholic.

At his old school in Ballarat, Pell's name has literally been scratched off the windows of a building, housing the music and art rooms, which was named in his honour.

Pell attended the prestigious St Patrick's College in Ballarat from 1949 to 1959, and had since been inducted as a legend of the school — an honour that has also now been stripped.

A sketch of George Pell in the foreground, with a security guard in the background looking at Pell.

"We believe that it's untenable and not appropriate to have our students walk through a building that carries Cardinal Pell's name when the jury has found that he is guilty of offences relating to child sexual abuse," college headmaster John Crowley said.

The headmaster came under fire in 2015 when he gave Pell a private tour of the school as calls mounted for the prelate to answer questions for the royal commission.

At the time, he said: "It was a great thrill to be able to escort His Eminence around the college grounds and witness the way he interacted with staff and students alike".

A statement from the school on Tuesday said it "reserves the right to revisit" the stripping of Pell's school honours if he successfully appeals the ruling.

Mr Crowley said it was not an easy decision to scrub his name from the school's honour lists.

"[But] it's a commitment that we have made to our current families, and boys in our care that we will role model behaviours which aspire to the highest possible standards," he said.

The college will also put a line through Pell's name on a board listing the school's ordained alumni, something it has done with five other clergymen, including convicted abuser Gerald Ridsdale.

According to the college's website, the strikethroughs "stand both as a symbol for the bravery of victims and survivors of child sexual abuse and their families, and for the college's deep remorse for the pain and suffering caused by the actions of these individuals".

Even in the sporting sphere, the decision is having ramifications.

The Richmond AFL club removed Pell as a vice-patron, tweeting the club had "formed a view that his association is no longer tenable or appropriate".

The Vatican is yet to publicly respond to the verdict.

But Pope Francis told a recent summit on the issue of abuse in the church that clergy who preyed on children were the "tools of Satan".

The president of the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference, Archbishop Mark Coleridge, said bishops were "shocked" by the guilty verdict.

"The same legal system that delivered the verdict will consider the appeal that the Cardinal's legal team has lodged. Our hope, at all times, is that through this process, justice will be served," he said in a statement.

"In the meantime, we pray for all those who have been abused and their loved ones, and we commit ourselves anew to doing everything possible to ensure that the Church is a safe place for all, especially the young and the vulnerable."

Pell will return to court for a pre-sentencing hearing on Wednesday.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Cardinal George Pell has become the highest-ranking Catholic official to be convicted of sexual abuse. The offences took place while he was establishing the Melbourne Response to protect children from abuse.

It is worth remembering that the cause of rampant sexual abuse in the Catholic "church" is the celibate lifestyle of its clergy, which is clearly contrary to Scripture.

Indeed. The Catholic Corporation functions in part to supply children to local parishes and orphanages around the world for the perverted, sexual use of their priestly class. Pope Franny called priests who would sexually attack children "Tools of Satan" but we know they are at the same time, "Tools of the Church," because the Catholic Church is of Satan and make no mistake.

It raises the question all Catholics must ask themselves, if the Catholic church claims to be the repository of faith and morals on earth, and if the pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, and if they have a whole understanding of how actions can be understood as moral or evil, then how can they miss or dismiss such obvious examples of evil behavior?

A Catholic must come to one of two conclusions. Either raping children is not evil, or the highest members of the Catholic organization cannot recognize the difference between morality and evil. As these behaviors are an offence to any human soul, the Catholic must ask himself,

If the most basic claims are not observable, or even genuinely believed,

Other than supplying creepy old men with generation after generation of victims for their evil lusts...


What use is the Catholic Church anyway?

[James Hutchins]

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I think I'd be more shocked if one of these kiddie fiddlers was found innocent.
I hear the pope was 'disappointed' much like I am when one of the Hutchin's boys goes fishing and fails to return home will a pail full of trout.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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It is worth remembering that the cause of rampant sexual abuse in the Catholic "church" is the celibate lifestyle of its clergy, which is clearly contrary to Scripture.

When Did the Catholic Church Decide Priests Should Be Celibate?
I'm not convinced of the interpretation of Matthew 19:12, but that aside, there has always been a lot of trouble with occupations that come with a house - as the Catholic priesthood did.

The practice of priestly celibacy began to spread in the Western Church in the early Middle Ages. In the early 11th century Pope Benedict VIII responded to the decline in priestly morality by issuing a rule prohibiting the children of priests from inheriting property. A few decades later Pope Gregory VII issued a decree against clerical marriages.

When the married priest died, this meant turfing out the widow and children, and relying on 1Timothy:5, and it's final admission (v.9) that the Church would have to support them.

Rather than fulfill this small and God Ordained obligation, the Pope squashed the cause - and he did this to increase the size of his coffers at the expense of the poor and ignorant.

By doing so, he released a time of filth on the world but was able to afford a few extra jars of Spikenard and the like.

I contrast this with the Baptist Church that rewards its Pastors that they and their widows and children need want for nothing and to the extent that the widow and off-spring often inherit more than one house.

[Jim Farmer]

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A Catholic must come to one of two conclusions. Either raping children is not evil, or the highest members of the Catholic organization cannot recognize the difference between morality and evil.

Well, this French priest thinks raping children is showing tenderness! https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...NUx7SFbIb12miM