[Bill R. Briscoe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I'm not trying to force science on them, I already know religion and science don't mix, and I'm not trying to force religion on us either simply because I don't believe in religion. It is man made, so it cannot be perfect, far from it...

You are trying to force science on us, though. We don't come down to where you work, slap the clown's penis out of your mouth, and scream verses of the Bible at you, now do we?

God made man
Man made science.

Therefore, God created science.
Why do you then worship science? God made science to confuse men who think they are wise, when indeed they are the opposite for they do not have the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 1: 18-31
18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

You see, I'm glad you actually read what I've said, but in the same time I'm not, because you haven't contributed with anything to the discussion. I believe this thread was started as a discussion. As I understand this is not a debate forum, I'm not here to debate your beliefs, I was just stating that you may be wrong in some parts of your understanding how this world/earth/sun/univers works. All I'm trying to say that you may be wrong, and the way you interpret some parts of the bible may be inaccurate.

So let's get this straight. You don't want to debate, but you'd like to tell us where you think we're wrong and want answers in these areas? Do you understand what debating/arguing is? Also, there is no room for interpretation of the Bible.

2 Peter 1:19-21
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

BUT most definitely was NOT trying to make you abandon your faith, because let me tell you, what you believe in is only and strictly your business, not mine.

Then why again are you here? You came here uninvited and unwelcome.

And by saying that I will burn in hell and you will laugh at me, that is very judgmental of you and mean. You should not display anger as you are a christian. Just be happy that you will go to heaven and leave others believe in what they think fits them.

Do you have scripture to support your claim that we should not display anger? You also may mistake annoyance with anger, they are too separate things.

We are very happy we are going to Heaven, but why you felt the need to come here and not leave others believe in what they think fits them and post a bunch of nonsense is beyond me. How can you believe in yourself when you don't even practice what you preach? Sounds like you need to find the Lord, son.

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

What is your problem?

God has told us what is real. We follow His word. How is this hard for you to grasp? We're not here to disprove whatever lies from science you bring to us, thinking you are clever and original. We are here to praise and glorify God for giving us the Bible as a perfect record of His deeds and wishes.

Again, not on topic. Please do praise god all you want, I'm not here to make you do otherwise, just looking for answers in this matter of sun being 500 miles above the earth. That is all.

I'm looking at the picture in your signature. If that is how you think the earth looks like with the sun shining on it, can you explain why is it day in some parts of the world and at the same time there is night in other parts of the world ? Not only that, but at the poles, the sun never sets for 6 months in a row.

Please, with all the respect, just answer to this question. I believe you do have one since you use that picture in your signature.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Jack, come on man, you can just play "back it up with scripture" card every time someone says something.
And honestly I'm glad you jumped into the conversation, I was referring to you when I said you cannot see New York from London because the lights form New York are not as powerful to reach to you, but you can see the sun even if it's so far away because the lights it emits is very "strong". Please tell me that your common sense still works !
People, stop arguing about other issues and pleeeeeease stay on topic !!

No, I said that the idea of being able to see 93 million miles is ludicrous. That IS using common sense.

The Earth DOES NOT move.

Psalm 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

The idea that the Sun that according to you is 93,000,000 miles away could rotate around the Earth in 24 hours is ridiculous. I'm surprised that you would even suggest it.

YIC

Jack

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Again, not on topic. Please do praise god all you want, I'm not here to make you do otherwise, just looking for answers in this matter of sun being 500 miles above the earth. That is all.

I'm looking at the picture in your signature. If that is how you think the earth looks like with the sun shining on it, can you explain why is it day in some parts of the world and at the same time there is night in other parts of the world ? Not only that, but at the poles, the sun never sets for 6 months in a row.

Please, with all the respect, just answer to this question. I believe you do have one since you use that picture in your signature.

I don't think the earth looks like that at all. It shows how your scientists try to paint the world with fake picture supposedly taken from space. Maybe it is too subtle but most people get the message. We can't see the world from the outside because the firmament is in the way. The sun is a light on the firmament.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

...you cannot see New York from London because the lights form New York are not as powerful to reach to you...

You don't think it has something to do with the over 3,000 miles of rock (if you go in a straight line, as light tends to do) between the two cities?

[Professor Bessemer]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The Earth DOES NOT move.

The idea that the Sun that according to you is 93,000,000 miles away could rotate around the Earth in 24 hours is ridiculous. I'm surprised that you would even suggest it.

I did a little math just to humor this atheist. If we take his distance of 93,000,000 miles, which we know is ridiculous, we get an "orbital circumference" for the sun of 584,356,200 miles. For the sun to "orbit" (I know, it is silly to even entertain the thought, but just for fun let us continue) around this hypothetically "round" earth, it would need to be travelling at approximately 24,348,175 miles per hour.

What sort of a God would set up such a preposterous arrangement as that?

[Tausami]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Apologies. My point was only that you should be allowed to focus on the spiritual aspects of things and should not be expected to be making zetetic observations regarding the shape of the Earth. It's simply too mundane.

@the other heathen in this discussion: the Sun travels in a circular path around the Earth. Sunset and rise occur because the Sun gets too far away to be seen clearly. The Midnight Sun in the North occurs because in the Summer the Sun is much farther north (i.e. hubwards) than in the winter.

Before you ask, the moon is lit by bioluminescent bacteria.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I did a little math just to humor this atheist. If we take his distance of 93,000,000 miles, which we know is ridiculous, we get an "orbital circumference" for the sun of 584,356,200 miles. For the sun to "orbit" (I know, it is silly to even entertain the thought, but just for fun let us continue) around this hypothetically "round" earth, it would need to be travelling at approximately 24,348,175 miles per hour.

What sort of a God would set up such a preposterous arrangement as that?

Atheists will believe anything! I haven't got enough faith to be an atheist.

YIC

Jack

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You are trying to force science on us, though. We don't come down to where you work, slap the clown's penis out of your mouth, and scream verses of the Bible at you, now do we?

God made man
Man made science.

Therefore, God created science.
Why do you then worship science? God made science to confuse men who think they are wise, when indeed they are the opposite for they do not have the wisdom of God.So let's get this straight. You don't want to debate, but you'd like to tell us where you think we're wrong and want answers in these areas? Do you understand what debating/arguing is? Also, there is no room for interpretation of the Bible.Then why again are you here? You came here uninvited and unwelcome.

Do you have scripture to support your claim that we should not display anger? You also may mistake annoyance with anger, they are too separate things.

We are very happy we are going to Heaven, but why you felt the need to come here and not leave others believe in what they think fits them and post a bunch of nonsense is beyond me. How can you believe in yourself when you don't even practice what you preach? Sounds like you need to find the Lord, son.

I'm not trying to force science on you, others in these 127 pages have tried with no success. The reason I have joined this thread is because I believe you are wrong. And by that, I have challenged you with questions. If you have the answers (and by that I'm saying you are not obligated to give them to me) and willing to explain them, please do so. If not, simply say you do not want to give the answers, or you don't know.
Since I asked those questions, I see not a single person tried to give me an answer, but instead everyone jumps all over me with hate.
I'm truly sorry, but this is not the way to communicate with a person that believes other than you.

No, I said that the idea of being able to see 93 million miles is ludicrous. That IS using common sense.

The Earth DOES NOT move.



The idea that the Sun that according to you is 93,000,000 miles away could rotate around the Earth in 24 hours is ridiculous. I'm surprised that you would even suggest it.

YIC

Jack

Jack, you do know I could say the same thing you all say to someone that have a different opinion than you, right ? I could say "have you been in space ? do you have any proof the sun is made of coal ?" I know you can't answer that, because you haven't been to the sun, thus you do not know how far is it. Pastor Billy did some calculations and came out with a distance of 500 miles. Everyone believed him. Them someone challenged him, he revised his calculations and came out with a distance of 5000 and some miles. Everyone believed him. Why were his calculations different than any other scientists ? Why do you believe him and not others ? I do not expect to actually answer that....
Like I said, "I don't know" is still valid for an answer.

I don't think the earth looks like that at all. It shows how your scientists try to paint the world with fake picture supposedly taken from space. Maybe it is too subtle but most people get the message. We can't see the world from the outside because the firmament is in the way. The sun is a light on the firmament.

So you have a picture in your signature that you do not think is a true representation of how you think earth looks like, or his position to the sun.
Come on, you can do better than that...
Then why do you have it there ?








Please people, stay on topic. Here are a few questions you may wanna give answers to :

1. If the earth is flat, how do you think is it daytime in some parts of the world, and nighttime on others ?
2. If the sun and the moon are fixed in the firmament, how to you think eclipses occur ?
3. If the sun is 500 miles above the earth and 32 miles across, when it rises in one "side" of the world, why do you think it doesn't appear amazingly small when looked at from the other side of the world (let's say 5000 miles away) ?

Can someone actually answer these questions, or are you again trying to avoid the topic and talk about why do I hate jesus, or tell me to go read the bible....?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Before you ask, the moon is lit by bioluminescent bacteria.

Why must you go on about this total made up claptrap?

God would have mentioned this if it were so. The moon shines because God made it for that very purpose.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years

I caution you against stating things that you have absolutely no evidence for on God's favourite forum.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Before you ask, the moon is lit by bioluminescent bacteria.

God causes the moon to give it's own light. He can also turn it off!

Isaiah 13:10
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

YIC

Jack

[Tausami]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Why must you go on about this total made up claptrap?

God would have mentioned this if it were so. The moon shines because God made it for that very purpose.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years

I caution you against stating things that you have absolutely no evidence for on God's favourite forum.

As a matter of fact, it's the only part of our theory that is in any way religious. The man who came up with it claims to have obtained the answer through prayer. Those of us who aren't religious believe it because it explains a lot.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Please people, stay on topic. Here are a few questions you may wanna give answers to :

Look pal, I already told you not to lecture me. Keep a civil tone and I'll answer your blasphemous questions.

1. If the earth is flat, how do you think is it daytime in some parts of the world, and nighttime on others ?

Because God wants it that way.

2. If the sun and the moon are fixed in the firmament, how to you think eclipses occur ?

See Above.

3. If the sun is 500 miles above the earth and 32 miles across, when it rises in one "side" of the world, why do you think it doesn't appear amazingly small when looked at from the other side of the world (let's say 5000 miles away) ?

It does, haven't you ever noticed that? That's why it's cold in the morning, because the sun is further away.

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You don't think it has something to do with the over 3,000 miles of rock (if you go in a straight line, as light tends to do) between the two cities?

Well, first off, you would not be able to see them because of the curvature of the earth, even if the lights were powerful enough......but for the argument's sake, let's say you are standing on the shore in Britain looking towards America, even if the sea was flat, you could not see New York's lights as they are simply too weak to travel 3000 miles. And I will tell you one more thing....even it was a light powerful enough in New York, you still (probably) would not see it because of 3000 miles of air filled with impurities, vapors, dust. At a scale down version, is like trying to look far away through heavy rain....you can't.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

As a matter of fact, it's the only part of our theory that is in any way religious. The man who came up with it claims to have obtained the answer through prayer. Those of us who aren't religious believe it because it explains a lot.

So what! How does any of what you are saying do anything to help the Unsaved Trash get with God?

Some person making up a conversation with God is no basis for any sort of reliable belief system.