[Thomas Dalton]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

There are two kinds of winning in a debate. One is winning on points, the other is winning in opinions swayed. Over the long haul I'm winning on points but so far I'm losing this debate on opinions swayed, but loving the debate anyway.

Jack O'fagan asked me to prove that there is no heaven or hell. I can't do that because you can't prove a negative. Those of you who are familiar with the English Philosopher Bertrand Russell will no doubt recognize the teapot example. Russell argued, as I do that the burden of proof is on theists to prove the existence of God. Proving that God does not exist is equivalent to proving there is not a teapot in orbit around the Sun. I don't believe there is, Bertrand Russell doesn't believe there is, none of you believe there is, but the only way to prove that there is not is to scan all the objects in orbit around the Sun and see that none of them is a teapot.

The best you can do is to present arguments as to why you would not expect to find a teapot in space. For example, where would it come from? Who would go to the trouble to put it there, etc. The best I can do in "proving" that there is no Heaven or Hell is to begin with a definition--your definition perhaps and cite reasons they are unlikely to exist. For example, where would you put them? How likely is it that there is a God that fits your description who would be in charge of these institutions? If God is just, how can there be a Heaven or Hell, since infinite punishment or reward for finite sins and virtues is unjust?

For those of you who don't believe that anything can orbit the sun, imagine what it would be like to prove that there is not a teapot in Antarctica? BTW I am not a teapot worshipper. No proof, just facts.

But there's a British base on Antartica in the region south of 60°S latitude and between longitudes 20°W and 80°W, so it's logical that there's a teapot.
Like there's the word of God in the form of the KJV bible, and millions of people worshiping Jesus, so we must be right.

You lost quite some points with your retarted teapot worship I have to say.

And seriously, I think your wife is stealing your intelligence away, like her people normally do with pies and such. We keep repeating "Scripture please" but you never learn. Where does it say that "infinite punishment or reward for finite sins and virtues is unjust"?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

For those of you who don't believe that anything can orbit the sun, imagine what it would be like to prove that there is not a teapot in Antarctica? BTW

Ha! Simply look at this picture of an old British Antarctic Base Station and, by clicking it, visit the webpage.

See how there is a kettle, a set of mugs and mention of Brits? You KNOW that kettles boil water; you KNOW that boiling water is required for tea; you KNOW that Brits drink tea - But there is no teapot!

Coincidence? I think not! Jesus guided my computer straight to that picture!

Now will you believe?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

For those of you who don't believe that anything can orbit the sun, imagine what it would be like to prove that there is not a teapot in Antarctica?

Ha! Simply look at this picture of an old British Antarctic Base Station and, by clicking it, visit the webpage.

See how there is a kettle, a set of mugs and mention of Brits? You KNOW that kettles boil water; you KNOW that boiling water is required for tea; you KNOW that Brits drink tea - But there is no teapot!

How do you know there is not a teapot somewhere else in Antarctica? If your mission were to prove there is a teapot, then the first teapot you find in Antarctica would prove your claim, but to prove the opposite you would have to look everywhere in Antartica and never find it, and even then I could claim that you missed something.

Now will you believe?

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Did you use the flat earth version of Google Earth?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

We keep repeating "Scripture please" but you never learn. Where does it say that "infinite punishment or reward for finite sins and virtues is unjust"?

Where is the scripture that says you and I can communicate over the Internet? We've learned a lot since the Bible was written and even since it was translated and edited into the King James Version.

One of the cardinal principles of justice is proportionality. The punishment should fit the crime. Even the Old Testament says "an eye for an eye." I don't know whether the abstract principle of proportional reward or punishment appears anywhere within the Bible but if it appears in the same Bible as the concept of eternal salvation or damnation, it would be one more example of a contradiction in the Bible, like Cain finding a wife not descended from Adam and Eve or Jesus having two contradictory geneologies.

It is not enough to claim that the Bible is the word of God. You need outside evidence. There is so much that we learn every day that is not in the Bible or supported by the Bible that it makes sense to look elsewhere for a guide to living our lives. If the Bible had been written by God, he could have told us that the world is round, pi=3.141592..., and that no one race is intended to be the servants of any other race. Instead, what we have looks much more like the beliefs and superstitions of people who lived a very long time ago and were struggling in their own way to find answers just as we are doing today.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

Bertrand Russell's teapot in space has actually been superceded by real life. Now scientists say 'We know that there is dark energy in space. More of it than you can ever imagine. It can't be detected and nobody has ever seen it but we know it's there but we can't prove it .

Why do atheists require more evidence for God than they do for dark energy? They accept dark energy because they can see its affects although it is invisible to them. If I said the same about God you would call me a fool. Sounds like you are working on faith to me,

YIC

Jack

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

Forgive me, but what comes to mind when I read the title of this thread is that is exactly what Hitler would have said about Stephen Hawkings.

You're pretty ignorant. Don't you even know that Hitler spoke German?

Genius looks like ignorance to the ignorant among us.

An important point, and one which is discussed in the Bible.

I have never heard of Hawkings blaming God for his condition either. I think he accepts it as a random act of fate.

That is to say, he refuses to give the Lord the credit He's due.

Physicists are as much entitled to discuss the origins of the universe as anyone. Theologians are qualified to discuss religion. The notion that the universe required a creator leads to the question "Who created God?"

Atheists are biased, and have no reasonable grounds for sounding off about anything.

So what you are saying is, I should accept Heaven as the lesser evil and accept an eternity of living among white racist sexist Republican good ole boys praising god and chewing tobacco as they sit around the barbeque pit cleaning their guns.

What is it that makes me believe it is these good ole boys who invented this concept of God in the first place?

Satan, that's what. You do realise that God's Word pre-dates the Republican Party, and the rest of the racist baggage you choose to associate with the American South, right?

I say there is a teapot in orbit around the Sun. Prove me wrong.

It does not mention that teapot anywhere in the Bible. That teapot, if it existed, would be a pretty big deal, and the sort of thing that God would mention in His book; if He chose not to mention it, it's probably not real.

It is not enough to claim that the Bible is the word of God. You need outside evidence. There is so much that we learn every day that is not in the Bible or supported by the Bible that it makes sense to look elsewhere for a guide to living our lives. If the Bible had been written by God, he could have told us that the world is round, pi=3.141592..., and that no one race is intended to be the servants of any other race.

You just don't get it. The fact that the Bible gives a precise value for pi, and no secular scientist or mathematician has ever managed to replicate God's results, just proves that the Bible is divinely inspired, and contains knowledge that's beyond human comprehension. If it just had a bunch of facts that were "correct" by secularist scientific standards, it would be much less impressive.

[Thomas Dalton]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

Ha! Simply look at this picture of an old British Antarctic Base Station and, by clicking it, visit the webpage.

See how there is a kettle, a set of mugs and mention of Brits? You KNOW that kettles boil water; you KNOW that boiling water is required for tea; you KNOW that Brits drink tea - But there is no teapot!

Coincidence? I think not! Jesus guided my computer straight to that picture!

Now will you believe?

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Thank you brother Ezekiel! I read the post of mr. Dave wrong, and I thought he asked to prove there is a teapot in Antartica. Thanks for proving me wrong.

God must indeed have intervened and guided you to that picture, since he saw that I was misguided. Another proof that He exists.

You see, Mr. Dave, that our opinions aren't set in stone? I almost believed your ridiculous teapot-in-arctic theory, but then a smarter man came around, and I changed my opinion. Praise!

Also for your ridiculous example about "scripture about communication over the internet": God doesn't say anything about it, so we're allowed to do as we please.

If I said communication was bad however, I would have posted scripture to provide proof. See what's the difference?

[tom101]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

for a peaceful loving religion such as christianity u guys sure know how to spread hate

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

for a peaceful loving religion such as christianity u guys sure know how to spread hate

Knowledge is not hate, just as ignorance is not love.

We show our love for you and for all humanity by showing you EXACTLY what God says in the Holy Bible.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

for a peaceful loving religion such as christianity u guys sure know how to spread hate

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

YIC

Jack

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

I say there is a teapot in orbit around the Sun. Prove me wrong.

It does not mention that teapot anywhere in the Bible. That teapot, if it existed, would be a pretty big deal, and the sort of thing that God would mention in His book; if He chose not to mention it, it's probably not real.

Of course there's no teapot in orbit around the Sun. I just can't prove it, and neither can you. That was Bertrand Russell's point when he (being an Englishman) made up this particular example. You can't prove a negative. To prove it absolutely you would have to examine every object in orbit around the Sun. Bertrand Russell's argument was that absolute proof that there is no God is an unreasonable condition for the acceptance of atheism, or in my case the nonexistence of Heaven or Hell.

You just don't get it. The fact that the Bible gives a precise value for pi, and no secular scientist or mathematician has ever managed to replicate God's results, just proves that the Bible is divinely inspired, and contains knowledge that's beyond human comprehension.

The Biblical value of Pi (Pi=3) is precise but wrong. I don't think it was ever meant to be taken literally in the first place. If you try to wrap a three foot cloth around a round table one foot in diameter, you will have a gap. One test of the validity of a scientific proposition is whether or not it can be replicated. The value of Pi is precise but it cannot be expressed in less than an infinite number of decimal places.

If it just had a bunch of facts that were "correct" by secularist scientific standards, it would be much less impressive.

I would be impressed if something apparently written by people who were primitive by our standards turned out to be a source of scientific insights. We could then use the Bible as a guide to new discoveries rather than a strait jacket on the conclusions that science is allowed to come to.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

I say there is a teapot in orbit around the Sun. Prove me wrong.

The sun is a light in the firmament. A teapot would fall down. How silly do you expect us to be?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

On January 8, Stephen Hawkins celebrated his 70th birthday. When he was diagnosed at the age of 21, the doctors only gave him a few years to live.
At the celebration, Stephen Hawkins conceded a bet. He and a colleague had conflicting opinions on the properties of black holes and further research proved his colleague right. Being an honest man, Hawkins awarded the man a set of encyclopedias of his choice in accordance with the terms of the bet.

Science has a certain humility the old time religion lacks. Science checks itself constantly. Many errors are made but what ultimately prevails are better and better approximations to the truth. Stephen Hawkins is no less brilliant for having been on the losing end of bet about the nature of the universe. He will go with the outcome and build on it.

Shame on all who subscribe to the kick-the-cripples-down-the-stairs philosophy. For those who seek to replace the painstaking pace of science with quick and easy "perfect" answers from the Bible, please consider that right answers don't always come easy.

The world is a better place because so many people gave this brilliant man an opportunity to overcome his disability. Medical science, the invention of the motorized wheel chair, the speech synthesis device saved a mind that could have been cast away with his body in his twenties. This is truly the beauty of the way evolution and society have shaped us to survive by helping others.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

What, are we supposed to feel sorry for it just because it's a cripple?

God hates cripples, and that's good enough for me.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Steven Hawking, a drooling idiot, proves that God hates cripples!

How much longer are we going to endure this davdbrainless thinking we're like Twitter for whatever deranged secular nonsense his brain vomits out today.
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