[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I myself am an atheist. Don't worry. I'm not an antitheist (believing in a god is a bad thing), nor am I a gnostic atheist (there MUST be no god). I'm an agnostic atheist, which means that I MOSTLY do not believe in a god.
Now before you start attacking me, I'd like to share my story first.
I used to be a Christian when I was little. According to my parents, I was very devoted and such. But then, whenever I read the bible, I found many stories that were conflicting to proven science, such as creationism and evolution. Even many parts in the Bible itself is in conflict to each other.
So, around half a year ago, I finally officially quit Christianity.

You can't just quit Christianity. The Bible says it's impossible to lose your salvation, so you must have never been saved in the first place. If you're telling the truth, you've just disproved the Bible, and we know that can't happen.

Jn 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I'm quite glad I did, too! The stress of going between creationism and evolution again and again is too hard to bear. I choose to believe what there is evidence of, and since I do not see any evidence of God, and that I see evidence of science everywhere, I've chosen to become an atheist.

Whether you're a Christian or not, do you think it's wise to choose what you believe? Otherwise you could choose to believe something that's not true, and it would still be untrue. I think it's better to believe what's true. You're talking as if belief takes willpower.

However, I can't stop thinking: what if the people who wrote the Bible was mistaken? What if God created physics, biology, and science itself, and the people who wrote the Bible were not smart enough to actually understand it, and instead put it their own ways? That is why I'm an agnostic atheist.

If God is smart enough and powerful enough to create physics, biology and science, don't you think He would have been smart enough and powerful enough to make sure the authors of the Bible, whom He inspired (2 Tim 3:16), would get their facts right? And indeed we can see that the writers of the Bible had knowledge far ahead of their time. They knew the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. They knew that God created the heavens and the earth in six 24-hour days. What good is God's Word if the authors were allowed to put it in their own words? We would have no way of knowing which were man's words and which were God's. It would be completely useless. And we would have no compelling reason to believe it. God's word was revealed to the authors. A revelation is the making known of a secret or the unknown. If the authors of the Bible displayed no extraordinary knowledge in their writings, then we have no reason to believe they were given any special revelation.

I found myself coming over to this forum to join in the 400-year debate because of the sheer amount of disagreement, hate, racism, discrimination etc. being passed around the forums from different groups. Disagreement and hate, I can understand, but racism? Discrimination? Being from Hong Kong, this is a tad too much. I believe that even if God was real, he wouldn't have approved of such behaviour.

See Who does God hate? The burden of proof is on you to provide Scripture showing us what behavior God disapproves of. In the meantime, you can think about the following verses.

Psa 5:4-6
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 5:5
The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity.

Psalm 11:5
The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates.

Lev. 20:23
Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.

Prov. 6:16-19
There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers.

Hosea 9:15
All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Sorry mate, you definitions are off. Atheists (such as my self) believe there is no God or gods.

Agnostics believe the reality of God or gods is unknown (and possible unknowable).

Dunno what you are, mate: more like an agnostic theist, to me.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I myself am an atheist. Don't worry. I'm not an antitheist (believing in a god is a bad thing), nor am I a gnostic atheist (there MUST be no god). I'm an agnostic atheist, which means that I MOSTLY do not believe in a god.
Now before you start attacking me, I'd like to share my story first.
I used to be a Christian when I was little. According to my parents, I was very devoted and such. But then, whenever I read the bible, I found many stories that were conflicting to proven science, such as creationism and evolution. Even many parts in the Bible itself is in conflict to each other.
So, around half a year ago, I finally officially quit Christianity.
I'm quite glad I did, too! The stress of going between creationism and evolution again and again is too hard to bear. I choose to believe what there is evidence of, and since I do not see any evidence of God, and that I see evidence of science everywhere, I've chosen to become an atheist. However, I can't stop thinking: what if the people who wrote the Bible was mistaken? What if God created physics, biology, and science itself, and the people who wrote the Bible were not smart enough to actually understand it, and instead put it their own ways? That is why I'm an agnostic atheist.
I found myself coming over to this forum to join in the 400-year debate because of the sheer amount of disagreement, hate, racism, discrimination etc. being passed around the forums from different groups. Disagreement and hate, I can understand, but racism? Discrimination? Being from Hong Kong, this is a tad too much. I believe that even if God was real, he wouldn't have approved of such behaviour.
More later on. I'm rather busy.

Tl;dr

What church do you go to, what is you favourite Bible verse and where were you first touched by Christ?

YIC

[Hatchet the Jap]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I myself am an atheist. Don't worry. I'm not an antitheist (believing in a god is a bad thing), nor am I a gnostic atheist (there MUST be no god). I'm an agnostic atheist, which means that I MOSTLY do not believe in a god.
Now before you start attacking me, I'd like to share my story first.
I used to be a Christian when I was little. According to my parents, I was very devoted and such. But then, whenever I read the bible, I found many stories that were conflicting to proven science, such as creationism and evolution. Even many parts in the Bible itself is in conflict to each other.
So, around half a year ago, I finally officially quit Christianity.
I'm quite glad I did, too! The stress of going between creationism and evolution again and again is too hard to bear. I choose to believe what there is evidence of, and since I do not see any evidence of God, and that I see evidence of science everywhere, I've chosen to become an atheist. However, I can't stop thinking: what if the people who wrote the Bible was mistaken? What if God created physics, biology, and science itself, and the people who wrote the Bible were not smart enough to actually understand it, and instead put it their own ways? That is why I'm an agnostic atheist.
I found myself coming over to this forum to join in the 400-year debate because of the sheer amount of disagreement, hate, racism, discrimination etc. being passed around the forums from different groups. Disagreement and hate, I can understand, but racism? Discrimination? Being from Hong Kong, this is a tad too much. I believe that even if God was real, he wouldn't have approved of such behaviour.
More later on. I'm rather busy.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

this is a forum of hate... and ignorance...

*sigh* There's no hatred here. If they really hated you, why would they spend so much time, effort, and MONEY (webservers and software licenses are not free) trying to teach you about what the Bible really says? Wouldn't they be just like your false Christian friends who are all "oh, don't worry about it, God didn't mean what He clearly says in the Bible, go on, carry on having all the buttsex you want, God loves you anyway" so that they can watch you burn in Hell forever?

I have to agree with you about the ignorance, though. I'm continually amazed at the amount of non-Biblical crap people accept as "Christianity", stuff like, "God loves everyone", "Jesus died for your sins", or even letting women speak in church.

[Ahzohe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

this is a forum of hate... and ignorance...

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Apart fromall the different versions of the bible, and all the other religions that worship the same god.

There is only one version of the Bible, the 1611 King James Version, and there are no other religions that worship our God. They may think they worship our God, but they don't.

Jn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Not only dowse Gods word constantly change, depending on who you talk to, it's so subjunctive, completely different religions have been born from the same mythilogical story.

God's Word never changes. He has promised to preserve it in tip-top condition.

Ps 12:6-7 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

And His Word is most certainly not up to personal interpretation.

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

rather than demoting the intelligence of our race by attributing everything to some ridiculous superman type being.

You're the one who believes we're all monkeys.

As I say, the position and opinions you hold will not change the the fact that science is, so far the only answers we have to anythinig so far, regardless of whether you accept or acknowledge them or not.

I could say the same thing about the Bible:

The position and opinions you hold will not change the the fact that the Bible is, so far the only answers we have to anythinig so far, regardless of whether you accept or acknowledge them or not.

[Eddie James]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Your so-called scientifical "facts" always seem t change. God's Word never changes, ever.

Apart fromall the different versions of the bible, and all the other religions that worship the same god.

Not only dowse Gods word constantly change, depending on who you talk to, it's so subjunctive, completely different religions have been born from the same mythilogical story.

Scientific facts my change when better technology is implied and better evidence gained from it. The theoretical methods of working to find answer rather than demoting the intelligence of our race by attributing everything to some ridiculous superman type being.

As I say, the position and opinions you hold will not change the the fact that science is, so far the only answers we have to anythinig so far, regardless of whether you accept or acknowledge them or not.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Evolution remains a fact

Your so-called scientifical "facts" always seem t change. God's Word never changes, ever.

[Alexandria Puckett]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

By that logic, bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby.

The rest isn't worth a reply

Nothing changes though. Evolution remains a fact

Then show evidence when you present a "fact"

[Eddie James]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Christianity = belief in 1 God
Atheism = belief in 0 gods
Polytheism = belief in n number of gods (depending on specific religion)

Hence, atheism is yet another form of belief. Christianity has the evidence in the Bible, polytheistic religions tend to have their "evidence" in mushroom induced visions or something like that, but atheism has no evidence at all.

By that logic, bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby.

The rest isn't worth a reply

Nothing changes though. Evolution remains a fact

[Basilissa]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

But an atheist doesn't even need to have heard about the Big Bang to rightly conclude their atheism. They solely need a lack of faith in a deity

Christianity = belief in 1 God
Atheism = belief in 0 gods
Polytheism = belief in n number of gods (depending on specific religion)

Hence, atheism is yet another form of belief. Christianity has the evidence in the Bible, polytheistic religions tend to have their "evidence" in mushroom induced visions or something like that, but atheism has no evidence at all.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

If something can't come from nothing than where did God come from and how could God possibly create everything?

God didn't come from anywhere. He is eternal. He has always existed and therefore never needed to be created.

Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

God could create everything because He is omnipotent.

Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Also, "the bible said so" is not a valid answer because you can't prove that your Bible is correct.

It is a valid answer because the Bible proves itself correct. We know that the Bible is God's Word (2 Tim 3:16) and that God's Word is truth (Jn 17:17b). It follows, then, that if the Bible is true, it would have told us if it wasn't true.

[Hunter MetzgerThe2nd]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Atheism is the belief that everything came from nothing. That's what it boils down to. That's what you have to accept if there is no Creator. We don't need to know anything about atheism in order to refute it; we only need to know God.

You baptists claim that god is real because something can't come from nothing

But let me ask you this

If something can't come from nothing than where did Come from and how could god possibly create everything.

Also, "the bible said so" is not a valid answer because you can't prove that your Bible is correct.

[Hunter MetzgerThe2nd]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Well apparently i need to be bitchslapped by God.



I think somethings out there that started everything, but so far I've never "felt God". I would believe the bible and in your version of God if there weren't so many ways to prove it wrong and so little proof supporting it. I don't hate your religion or any religion, I'm just curious about your opinions of God. So what do you guys mean by "feeling God"?

The reason you don't "feel god" is because you are smart and logical enough to see that god is false

If you claim to feel god you are either high or schizophrenic