[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I think I am about to say something you are going to like and can use against Evolutionists so listen carefully
The fact that chimps, apes, or monkeys can learn how to use tools or even some sign language if enough time is spent teaching it does not prove that they are our descendants, but it does prove they they are intelligent enough to learn those things. Just like how a dog can be trained to do things, but evolutionists don't believe we are descendent's of dogs. So if you say that we worship monkeys because we hold them in high regard due to their ability to learn things, then don't forget about dogs, dolphins, whales, many birds, or any of the other animals that can learn things as well because we appreciate their intelligence. In that case your definition of what Atheists worship would have to include all that and not just the Monkeys.

I'm glad you finally agree with me!

That is very cheap and childish to say, "this doesn't agree with me so I am going to ignore it until it does". Since you have decided to throw out the dictionary because it proves my point over your I now have to ask where it explains the word Worship in the Bible.

How thick can you get? I meant that, whatever the dictionary says, it is God's Word which holds final authority. So if I agree with the dictionary, it is not because I have any respect for it being a dictionary, but just because it coincidentally happens to agree with the Bible.

And I don't suppose I am going to get that well deserved apology am I?

I wouldn't count on it, friend!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

ThrustingBoy,
So may we say you have no truck with Darwin's heresy?

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

ThrustingBoy,
So may we say you have no truck with Darwin's heresy?

I am sorry but no, although I am not 100% sold on the idea of evolution I am also not exactly a non-believer either. I do believe that evolution happens (which I hope you can agree with even if you say it is God ie. The drug resistance thing), and that is how we came to be (which of course you do not agree with), but from what and how long I feel I have not done enough research to be sure. And quite possibly even if I were to do the research I may not find enough irrefutable evidence since nobody was there to observe it. It is all based off of theories (which everything is always a theory in science until it is proven).

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

which I hope you can agree with even if you say it is God ie. The drug resistance thing

Nope. The "science" on this is a hoax, just like climate gate and the moon landing.

I may not find enough irrefutable evidence since nobody was there to observe it

If only there was some kind of eye witness report of these things... Wait there is! The Holy Bible!

Yeah yeah, I know, wasting my time.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I am sorry but no, although I am not 100% sold on the idea of evolution I am also not exactly a non-believer either. I do believe that evolution happens (which I hope you can agree with even if you say it is God ie. The drug resistance thing), and that is how we came to be (which of course you do not agree with), but from what and how long I feel I have not done enough research to be sure. And quite possibly even if I were to do the research I may not find enough irrefutable evidence since nobody was there to observe it. It is all based off of theories (which everything is always a theory in science until it is proven).

Well you're on the right track but you need to open your heart up to Jesus more. Have you ever noticed how these scientifical "facts" constantly change? 100 years ago it was a "fact" that man couldn't fly. Now it's a "fact" that I whisk all over the ornamental countries in my Landover Baptist Lear Jet, bringing the Good News about Jesus Christ to the slopes.

Scientifical "facts" always change. God never changes. Think about that.

And while you're thinking, take a look at THIS challenge to the monkey-worshiping evolutionists out there. Questions they can't answer and don't want to be asked!!

[Matty Daniel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Well you're on the right track but you need to open your heart up to Jesus more. Have you ever noticed how these scientifical "facts" constantly change? 100 years ago it was a "fact" that man couldn't fly. Now it's a "fact" that I whisk all over the ornamental countries in my Landover Baptist Lear Jet, bringing the Good News about Jesus Christ to the slopes.

Scientifical "facts" always change. God never changes. Think about that.

And while you're thinking, take a look at THIS challenge to the monkey-worshiping evolutionists out there. Questions they can't answer and don't want to be asked!!

Yes, it's called "learning". As we "learn", our ideas and thoughts about the universe around us "evolve". I know that's a scary word for a Christian, but that's what humans are good at doing; evolving. You learned about "God" at some point, did you not? Your belief system/life was changed when you learned about Christianity. It's no different than scientists learning about new things and formulating hypotheses based on what they've observed. It's as if to say that science has never benefited you or the ones you know and love. Have you ever taken a pain reliever? Ever driven a car or been on a bus or plane? Are you not using the internet right now? All these things and so much more are the result of science, learning, and evolving.

Also, calling evolutionists "monkey worshipers" is a fallacy. Evolutionists don't worship. That's like Christians "Jesus-ologists". It just doesn't make sense.

Why are Christians so obsessed with what others believe or don't believe? Why are you so angry and hateful towards people that have a different belief systems than your own? Is it something that your faith praises?

For a group of people that claim to be so enlightened, you sure do have some hateful goings on here. This smiley for instance



Wow! So does this imply that people of the Muslim faith should be killed? You are indeed a fearful and quite terrifying bunch (in general, based on what I've read. There are exceptions of course). I'm afraid to post what my thoughts are on God, Christianity, and Atheism are based on the responses in this thread and on this forum. There is not a lot of acceptance going on here at all It's quite sad to me.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

You learned about "God" at some point, did you not? Your belief system/life was changed when you learned about Christianity.

Not really. My father learned me to pray before he learned me how to walk.

It's no different than scientists learning about new things and formulating hypotheses based on what they've observed.

Did you never notice how often scientists disagree with each other on many subjects. E.g. the climate hoax, how many dimensions the superstring theory dictates, whether or not we live in a multiverse, whether or not dark matter exists, etc. Why do you trust people who constantly change their minds instead of trusting the Holy Bible which never changes?

Have you ever taken a pain reliever?

No. If God wants me to suffer, I will suffer.

Ever driven a car or been on a bus or plane? Are you not using the internet right now? All these things and so much more are the result of science, learning, and evolving.

You must be mistaking us for mormons. We have nothing against technological advancements. These are even necessary to keep our weapons better than those of the other nations of this planet.

Why are Christians so obsessed with what others believe or don't believe?

Because we believe they will burn in hell for all eternity if we do not save them.

Wow! So does this imply that people of the Muslim faith should be killed?

No. It implies terrorist should be killed. If you looked closer you would see one of the smileys is Asian. So the assumption terrorists are automatically Muslim is yours, not ours.

I'm afraid to post what my thoughts are on God, Christianity, and Atheism are based on the responses in this thread and on this forum.

Don't be. If your posting is serious I promise you a serious response.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

For a group of people that claim to be so enlightened, you sure do have some hateful goings on here. This smiley for instance



Wow! So does this imply that people of the Muslim faith should be killed? You are indeed a fearful and quite terrifying bunch (in general, based on what I've read. There are exceptions of course). I'm afraid to post what my thoughts are on God, Christianity, and Atheism are based on the responses in this thread and on this forum. There is not a lot of acceptance going on here at all It's quite sad to me.

Matty, we follow the Holy Bible word-for-word. God clearly wants the islamofascists to be killed and sent to hell for pre-stealing America's oil supply. In addition, the Bible commands that those of other faiths be killed.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Also, please note that this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Matty Daniel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Not really. My father learned me to pray before he learned me how to walk.

Ah-ha! You learned. I didn't ask you when you learned. But clearly, you were taught. It wasn't something you popped out of the womb with an understanding of, clearly. That was my only point.

Did you never notice how often scientists disagree with each other on many subjects. E.g. the climate hoax, how many dimensions the superstring theory dictates, whether or not we live in a multiverse, whether or not dark matter exists, etc. Why do you trust people who constantly change their minds instead of trusting the Holy Bible which never changes?

Yes, I have. Again, just in case you didn't understand what I meant, learning means evolving. Which in turn means that sometimes conflicting ideas arise as result of coming to different conclusions based on observations. Have you never had an argument about what you believe? I think we're engaged in one right now. Have you ever been in an argument based on your observations versus someone elses? It's the same thing. Change is the only constant that I see around me.

No. If God wants me to suffer, I will suffer.

Well, I'll have to take you word on that one. My point is still valid though...

You must be mistaking us for mormons. We have nothing against technological advancements. These are even necessary to keep our weapons better than those of the other nations of this planet.

...Which is to say that, while you denounce science and it's findings, you benefit from advances in technology as result of those findings. The two things seems contrary, do they not. The internet evolves and changes, yet you seem to embrace it.

Because we believe they will burn in hell for all eternity if we do not save them.

That doesn't answer my question, nor does it address my point. Why are you worried about what others think? Is angry and hateful language the way to win over the unsaved?

No. It implies terrorist should be killed. If you looked closer you would see one of the smileys is Asian. So the assumption terrorists are automatically Muslim is yours, not ours.

Asians can be Muslims too. In fact, the Muslim faith is the 2nd largest in the world (the largest if you don't lump all western religion together). Either way, you're splitting hairs. Clearly this icon is meant to represent Muslim terrorists, otherwise it would not have included Arabic text.

Don't be. If your posting is serious I promise you a serious response.

Well as long as I don't get booted for having honest questions for people that would like to save me, then I will

Matty, we follow the Holy Bible word-for-word. God clearly wants the islamofascists to be killed and sent to hell for pre-stealing America's oil supply. In addition, the Bible commands that those of other faiths be killed.


First, my name isn't Matty. Unless you're OK with being called Ezekiely, then please refrain from such belittlement.

What does the bible have to do with "America's" oil supply?

Also, please note that this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

I'm sorry you think I'm making a fool of myself, but is that really the way you want to speak to someone that is honestly looking to have legitimate conversation? I asked questions to which I hoped would be answered. Cranky old man has not lived up to him namesake, insomuch as he has delivered honest and polite answers to my questions. I'm sorry if you feel threatened by my presence.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

I understand that this is a privately owned forum. Most are that I'm aware of. I've yet to find a .gov forum out there. You must also be aware then that a google search bring this forum up. If you'd like it to remain closed off from the rest of the "free internets", then I can help your webmaster make it more invisible to searchbots.

Why do you seem so angry?

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome.

This seems like a contradiction. If you want to save me, then isn't communication with me necessary? Again, I'm not angry, why are you? Also, if my "tantrums" are of no interest, then why address them? I'm sorry that you feel that I'm scum. It's really unfortunate that your tolerance for others, even when you don't know anything of me or my beliefs, is so low.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

Thanks for your prayers. I hope you understand that I have not revealed my faith or beliefs to you (for good reason it seems), so you're blessing may very well be unwarranted. Just because I do not share every exact belief that you do does not mean that I am "Godless" or "unsaved".

See red for replies.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What does the bible have to do with "America's" oil supply?

You will have to look up the parable of the talents. Basically, an entrepreneur goes away, but before he does so, he gives his 3 slaves 5, 2 and 1 talent respectively, telling them to invest it wisely for his return. Upon that day, the ones with the 5 and 2 both show him that they had doubled the number of talents, but the one who only had 1 talent had buried it and simply dug it up.

The master was angry and said... well I'll let God continue the story:

M't:25:26: His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
M't:25:27: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
M't:25:28: Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
M't:25:29: For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
M't:25:30: And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It is thus clear that until the USA wanted the Arabs' oil, the Arabs had just "buried it in the ground" and were doing nothing with it. So Matthew 25:29 applies.

[Matty Daniel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

It seems a stretch to draw a parallel between the two.

Ironically it was our scientific advancement that made us want the oil that resides in the middle east so badly. The fact that they do not consume as much as we demand does not seem to allow for the application of this philosophy.

Inversely, will our corn fields fall under the same rule when the world turns to synthetic fuels as a result of our oil gluttony? The fact that we have yet to make a decision about moving to synthetic fuels does not mean that other countries won't adopt the concept whole-heartedly before us. Then, shall it be their turn to lay claim to that of which we have not properly invested?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

It seems a stretch to draw a parallel between the two.

tT a godless soul such as yourself, may be, but then so many mysteries are hidden from you, e.g. what do you know of the hyrax? Little I assume.

Ironically it was our scientific advancement that made us want the oil that resides in the middle east so badly.

Oh, dear, here we go! Does not the Lord condemn those who listen to scientists?... Well, yes He does,

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

God reveals His Gifts to us when He sees fit. Science has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Matty Daniel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What does the Hyrax have to do with anything that we're discussing here. I know of the creature, but not of what importance it has to a Christian such as yourself.

So oil is god's gift to the US?! What happens when it runs out? Will he bestow scientifically formulated synthetic fuels to us when the "time is right"?

You failed to address my question. Does your proposed philosophy have the ability to be turned against the US in the future, when the "time is right"?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

So oil is god's gift to the US?! What happens when it runs out? Will he bestow scientifically formulated synthetic fuels to us when the "time is right"?

It will never run out. Christian Scientists have PROVEN that the oil replenishes itself.

[Matty Daniel]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Wow, I heard that this site was a joke, but you just confirmed it 110%