[CocoChanel]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Here is some interesting reading: http://www.all-creatures.org/living/first.html

[True Disciple]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

"The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love." Psalm 145:8

"But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:13

Two lovely Verses, but I don't see them saying anything about animals, girl.

Additionally, the Bible is very clear that we should hate some people:

Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


Psalm 139:21-22:
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.


And in addition to being gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love, God hates some people as well:


Psalm 5:4-6:
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

I'm a Christian and a vegetarian.

That sounds rather implausible. First of all, people who don't eat meat are weak in their faith:

Romans 14:2:
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Secondly, telling people to abstain from meat, like you do, is a clear sign of a deceiver, who follows seductive spirits and doctrines of devils:

1 Timothy 4:1-3:
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Additionally, as we can see, God has specifically created meat to be "received with thanksgiving," in other words, to eat, all the while being thankful to God about it. If you then say: "I don't want meat," then you effectively say to God: "I don't want your gift, I hate you," which is very ungrateful. Shame on you!

[CocoChanel]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Love is relevant since eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is not showing love. I don't think God wants us to treat God's creations like that. I believe God wants us to show respect for what God has created. And I'm not sure if every sentence in the bible is of the same importance, because many of them are somewhat contradicting.

Genesis 9:1-3: "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you."
Does that justify eating other humans?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Love is relevant since eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is not showing love. I don't think God wants us to treat God's creations like that. I believe God wants us to show respect for what God has created. And I'm not sure if every sentence in the bible is of the same importance, because many of them are somewhat contradicting.

Genesis 9:1-3: "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you."
Does that justify eating other humans?

Don't be silly, were in Christ's teachings do find Jesus saying "eat me"? I fail to see how a fine dinner of sea turtle or blue fin dolphin equates to cannibalism.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Love is relevant since eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is not showing love. I don't think God wants us to treat God's creations like that. I believe God wants us to show respect for what God has created. And I'm not sure if every sentence in the bible is of the same importance, because many of them are somewhat contradicting.

Don't you read anything? So - you're the one with a magic decoding ring that tells you what God "actually meant". Well, I am amazed. Why has he revealed this to you and nobody else?

Perhaps you could give The Lord of Hosts, The Lord God Almighty, Ruler of the Universe, a few hints on being clearer? I'm sure He'd love to hear from some 15 tear old, retard fluffy-bunny Christian on how He got it wrong.

Genesis 9:1-3: "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you."
Does that justify eating other humans?

Of course it does! God give instructions on when to eat humans! Have you never read a bible?

DEU 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
55So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
57And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

[True Disciple]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Love is relevant since eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is not showing love.

There is not a single Verse in the Bible that supports that notion. On the other hand, God wants people to sacrifice animals in ways like this:

Leviticus 5:7-9:
And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the LORD; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering. And he shall bring them unto the priest, who shall offer that which is for the sin offering first, and wring off his head from his neck, but shall not divide it asunder:
And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.

I believe God wants us to show respect for what God has created.

I agree. And 1 Timothy 4:1-3 shows us that we can do that by eating meat.

And I'm not sure if every sentence in the bible is of the same importance, because many of them are somewhat contradicting.

1. There is not a single contradiction in the entire Bible, as it is God's Perfect Word.
2. Even if there were contradictions, how would you decide which Verse trumps which? How do you make distinctions between "more important" Verses and "less important" ones? You must be joking.

Genesis 9:1-3: "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you."
Does that justify eating other humans?

Well, if you look at that Verse in context, you will see that God addresses man as someone apart from the beasts, and actually says:

Genesis 9:5-6:
And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Which seems to imply that an exception is made for man here.

[CocoChanel]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Don't you read anything? So - you're the one with a magic decoding ring that tells you what God "actually meant". Well, I am amazed. Why has he revealed this to you and nobody else?

Perhaps you could give The Lord of Hosts, The Lord God Almighty, Ruler of the Universe, a few hints on being clearer? I'm sure He'd love to hear from some 15 tear old, retard fluffy-bunny Christian on how He got it wrong.

Why don't you try to be creative and write something new, instead of just copying?

So you mean that you know what God "actually ment"? I never said I knew, I just said what I THOUGHT.

@True Despicable: And where in the bible do you find the definition of beast?

I'm not saying that eating meat is all wrong, I'm saying that eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is wrong. And that not treating animals with respect is not respecting one of God's creations.



And who are you all to judge other people? Isn't that up to God?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Why don't you try to be creative and write something new, instead of just copying?

So you mean that you know what God "actually ment"? I never said I knew, I just said what I THOUGHT.

And who could possibly care what you think? You're not God, you clearly refuse to listen to Him. You're just another preachy jerk trying to get us to apostate our beliefs for nature worship.

[Temori]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

1 - Vegetarians ARE NOT Christians!

You're right, men in robes who touch little boys are.

2 - Vegetarians killed Jesus

True, but it was an accident, I was putting together some furniture and I was all like, "Here, hold this board," then I got a little sloppy with the nail gun and it all went down hill from there... But God forgives murderers so It's ok.

3 - Vegetarians are sexual deviants that support gay marriage

Yes, and yes. I have gay sex while peeing on a bible and listening to Dave Matthews. Sometimes we rub each other with sunflower oil and wrestle in vats of tofu. We also like to play hide the zucchini. I don't know why, I always know where it is.

4 - Vegetarians like babies, dead ones that is!

Well, I prefer them half dead. They're still cute this way but make less noise.

[Brother Alex]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

So you mean that you know what God "actually ment"? I never said I knew, I just said what I THOUGHT.

We really do know what God actually means since we follow the Bible just as it is written instead of trying to interpret The Word™ according to our own opinions like many so-called 'Christians' seem to do nowadays.

@True Despicable: And where in the bible do you find the definition of beast?

It says so right here in The Book of Genesis 1:20-26:

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

etc.

As you can see, man, beasts, plants, etc. were all created separately. According to baraminology (creation biology), this indicates that life on earth may be divided into several kingdoms: the plant kingdom, the fish kingdom, the bird kingdom, the animal kingdom and the human kingdom.

Therefore, a creature that does not belong to either the plant- or the human kingdom is a beast according to the Holy Bible.

I'm not saying that eating meat is all wrong, I'm saying that eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is wrong. And that not treating animals with respect is not respecting one of God's creations.

Are you suggesting that we should arrange funerals for dead animals just because they were 'tortured' all their lives? Don't be silly. It does not really matter how we treat animals. Animals don't have souls like we humans do so I doubt they're even capable of feeling pain.

And who are you all to judge other people? Isn't that up to God?

Not entirely, no.

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

[Weaker Vessel]

Re: God hates vegetarians

It doesn't work if you just type in "keyword."

Try using different words that describe the subject you are looking for. For example, if you're looking for a Bible verse or thread that includes the word "harlot," you would type "harlot" in the search field.

I hope this helps.

No it didn't. Try typing in "vegetarian".

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God hates vegetarians

No it didn't. Try typing in "vegetarian".

Ok.

Ge:4:3: And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Ge:4:4: And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Ge:4:5: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

[Cursed]

Re: God hates vegetarians

No it didn't. Try typing in "vegetarian".

I did, and I received 239 hits from the word "vegetarian" using Landover Baptist's search function.

Weaker Vessel, It doesn't work if you just type the word randomly; your cursor has to be in the blank white "search" field when you type the word you're looking for (e.g. vegetarian).

The search field is a white rectangle that "drops down" when you left click on the word "search" in the Landover "tool bar" near the top of your "browser window."

After you type the word (e.g. vegetarian) IN the "search field" (you'll actually see the text as you type it in real time, now you know you're on the right track), left click on the "go" button, which is immediately to the right of the "search field." The search engine results (also known as "hits" on the internet) will be displayed.

Viola! Now you can use a "search engine!"

Look, the internet can be overwhelmingly complex for some people. I'd suggest having a competent, patient person sit down with you and show you how to use your "web browser" and how to participate in an "internet forum."

Perhaps next time we meet you'll have the basic skill set needed to navigate these waters, and maybe, just maybe, you'll even participate in a discussion and contribute in some fashion?

It could happen.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

Why don't you try to be creative and write something new, instead of just copying?

Doh! Obviously, you had just said the first thing that came into you head without reading what had gone before. So I repeated that most cogent message for your education.... but, I suppose, you can take horses to water...

So you mean that you know what God "actually ment"? I never said I knew, I just said what I THOUGHT.

God isn't really interested in what you THOUGHT. If He was He would get into all sort of trouble trying to please everyone who had a thought, no matter how retarded.

I'm not saying that eating meat is all wrong, I'm saying that eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is wrong.

How can that be when God sends sinners to eternal torture? You speak of torture as if it were something inspired by Satan? Look on God as a chief of Police: His job is to make sure that all people get a chance of going to heaven but if they willfully refuse to follow the law, He has no choice by to cast them into the Fires of Damnation for all Eternity. If this wasn't the case, the world would be completely filled with sinners, atheists and Catholics.

And that not treating animals with respect is not respecting one of God's creations.

Where does this idea of having to treat animals with respect come from? Have you never read the story of Balaam's talking donkey?

Nu:22:21: And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.
Nu:22:22: And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
Nu:22:23: And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.
Nu:22:24: But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.
Nu:22:25: And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.
Nu:22:26: And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.
Nu:22:27: And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.
Nu:22:28: And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
Nu:22:29: And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
Nu:22:30: And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. [Edit Bathfire E: Reason to believe that this story is true - Donkeys say "Nay" a lot - fact!]
Nu:22:31: Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

And who are you all to judge other people? Isn't that up to God?

Mal:3:18: Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

[True Disciple]

Re: Vegetarians Exposed: Anti-Jesus, Anti-American, Bestiality Cr

I'm not saying that eating meat is all wrong, I'm saying that eating meat from animals that have lived a life of torture is wrong. And that not treating animals with respect is not respecting one of God's creations.

My rambling friend, instead of mindlessly repeating your statements, you'd do better to back them up with Scripture. Just saying "God wants such and such," without ever quoting Scripture is not considered a valid argument.